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Not The impostor Linda

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Robert is clearly enough for ever the QBOY brother Purvey ball licker
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Dec 26, 2012
 
SeenItBefore wrote:
<quoted text>Emotion over logic? So you are being logical making assertions about an income level you know nothing about. That's not emotion to you? Just where does logic enter into that for you?

Again you assert what you evidently know nothing about. Fred Meijer did not come up from poverty. He took over his father's grocery store founded in Greenville (MI) and built it up from then on. Not a large corporation like it is now but certainly not from poverty.

Again, you have zero knowledge from where I came and where I have gone from there. There are many many who recognize the absolute danger wannabe richies are doing to this economy by spreading trash talk gleaned from the entertainers that make it all sound so good while they are making the millions off lemmings.

If it makes your ego swell then you can make up any reason you wish for my not continuing with those who have no clue to the realities. I've spent my time in the past posting dissertations based in logic and rational thinking to no avail shown by the wannbe richies that will swallow hook-line-and-sinker what only serves to make them comfortable in their ignorance.

Go for it dude because I know first hand how far out in the willy weeds you are.
Poor bastard!! How many times are you going to run when your faced with the truth. That's what happens when you're full of venom and are lowly educated.
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Dec 26, 2012
 
Not The impostor Linda wrote:
Robert is clearly enough for ever the QBOY brother Purvey ball licker
More fantasies Jason? I told you to see the shrink about increasing your meds.
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More fantasies Jason? I told you to see the shrink about increasing your meds.
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Jason fantasies fantasies Jason Jason Jason imposter Linda Jason Jason likes little boys I love sayings Jason to everybody everybody is Jason I'm just mad at me a text message to Jason Jason Jason I don't know why my damn keyboard keeps going back to Jersey
Good try Jason I'd love to play with you if you're done playing with yourself
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<quoted text>Good try Jason I'd love to play with you if you're done playing with yourself
Your funny Jason but it is not healthy. Just do yourself a favor and get the meds

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Emotion over logic? So you are being logical making assertions about an income level you know nothing about. That's not emotion to you? Just where does logic enter into that for you?
Again you assert what you evidently know nothing about. Fred Meijer did not come up from poverty. He took over his father's grocery store founded in Greenville (MI) and built it up from then on. Not a large corporation like it is now but certainly not from poverty.
Again, you have zero knowledge from where I came and where I have gone from there. There are many many who recognize the absolute danger wannabe richies are doing to this economy by spreading trash talk gleaned from the entertainers that make it all sound so good while they are making the millions off lemmings.
If it makes your ego swell then you can make up any reason you wish for my not continuing with those who have no clue to the realities. I've spent my time in the past posting dissertations based in logic and rational thinking to no avail shown by the wannbe richies that will swallow hook-line-and-sinker what only serves to make them comfortable in their ignorance.
Go for it dude because I know first hand how far out in the willy weeds you are.
You said "So you are being logical making assertions about an income level you know nothing about." Not sure what you are talking about here. What assertions am I making about an income level I know nothing about? Please refer to the Topix number where I make this assertion.

I didn't say Fred Meijer. Hendrik Meijer started the company in 1934 in the middle of the depression. If he could create a billion dollar company for his kids with $329 ($5,625 in today's dollars) why don't you? BTW, Fred started working with his dad at 14 when the store opened, so his dad didn't give it to him. Fred was there from day 1. So yes, Fred came from poverty, especially compared to what we call poverty today.

Don't bash the entertainment industry - the Dem's/Left/Progs love them and Hollywood loves them back. To knock Hollywood is to be a traiter to the leftist cause, otherwise known as the Conservatives. Which you certainly aren't.

You said "I've spent my time in the past posting dissertations based in logic and rational thinking" and yet neither I nor anyone else has seen any evidence of that on Topix. Maybe it's other places you are posting your dissertations. Why don't you give us just one, say on why it's wrong for the CEO of Coke, who has 100,000 employees to make over a million dollars. Without using emotions like "deserve" or "fair." If you've done these dissertations in the past, should be easy for you to use math, facts, statistics and logic. Be a Vulcan!
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You said "So you are being logical making assertions about an income level you know nothing about." Not sure what you are talking about here. What assertions am I making about an income level I know nothing about? Please refer to the Topix number where I make this assertion.
I didn't say Fred Meijer. Hendrik Meijer started the company in 1934 in the middle of the depression. If he could create a billion dollar company for his kids with $329 ($5,625 in today's dollars) why don't you? BTW, Fred started working with his dad at 14 when the store opened, so his dad didn't give it to him. Fred was there from day 1. So yes, Fred came from poverty, especially compared to what we call poverty today.
Don't bash the entertainment industry - the Dem's/Left/Progs love them and Hollywood loves them back. To knock Hollywood is to be a traiter to the leftist cause, otherwise known as the Conservatives. Which you certainly aren't.
You said "I've spent my time in the past posting dissertations based in logic and rational thinking" and yet neither I nor anyone else has seen any evidence of that on Topix. Maybe it's other places you are posting your dissertations. Why don't you give us just one, say on why it's wrong for the CEO of Coke, who has 100,000 employees to make over a million dollars. Without using emotions like "deserve" or "fair." If you've done these dissertations in the past, should be easy for you to use math, facts, statistics and logic. Be a Vulcan!
Hendrick Meijer DID NOT create a billion dollar company for his kids. Fred created the billion dollar company after taking over his father's company.

Another pointing to you have no clue about which you present as facts. Athletes making $20Million while a CEO of a company employing 100,000 people isn't making 1/2 that much?
http://www.forbes.com/lists/2012/12/ceo-compe...
#79 of the top paid CEOs making $20.05Million.

Top paid athletes; looks like they aren't doing as well over corporate CEOs as you would like it to appear. Not that they are doing bad, but not 1/2?
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-07-17/w...

And no, I am not going to go back over a year to see if those "dissertation" posts I made are still there. It's not my job to educate you or prove anything to you. What I do is of no credit to you.

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Dec 29, 2012
 
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Hendrick Meijer DID NOT create a billion dollar company for his kids. Fred created the billion dollar company after taking over his father's company.
Another pointing to you have no clue about which you present as facts. Athletes making $20Million while a CEO of a company employing 100,000 people isn't making 1/2 that much?
http://www.forbes.com/lists/2012/12/ceo-compe...
#79 of the top paid CEOs making $20.05Million.
Top paid athletes; looks like they aren't doing as well over corporate CEOs as you would like it to appear. Not that they are doing bad, but not 1/2?
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-07-17/w...
And no, I am not going to go back over a year to see if those "dissertation" posts I made are still there. It's not my job to educate you or prove anything to you. What I do is of no credit to you.
Sorry for the delayed response, work and holidays took up my time.

Go back to your list of top paid CEO's. The #1 CEO had a salary of $1.66 million. His biggest gain was in the increased value of stocks he already had, which don't actually count as income until he cashes them in and went up because, arguable of what he has done for the company. His bonus was $4.65 million so the compensation paid for by the company was $6.31 million. Certainly not a small number but at $63 per employee, not very much for managing that many people.

You made a mistake in the athletes because you included endorsements. For example "Woods, 36, slipped to third after his total earnings for 2011 fell to $56.4 million, the lowest it’s been since SI.com started the “Fortunate 50” eight years ago. Woods, who didn’t capture an official U.S. PGA Tour title in 2011, had $1.9 million in winnings and received another $54.5 million in endorsement income, down $5 million from the previous year." Tiger Woods has a salary of $0. If he doesn't play he doesn't get paid. Other athletes in team sports do. If Matt Stafford gets hurt and doesn't play, he still gets a paycheck of roughly $600,000 per game.

But putting aside the semantics for now, what the CEO of Coke, Shell, Exxon, or the quarterback for the Lions, or my boss make has zero impact on my salary. Just as my salary has no impact on what the people who report to me make. Same thing as a business owner. What I made as the owner of the business didn't really have an impact on what I paid people. If the going rate for a programmer was around $60,000 then whether I made a million or $1, if I needed a programmer that's what I paid them.

If the total compensation for the CEO of Coke is doubled, guess what? It doesn't impact the price of one can of Coke. And if his compensation is cut in half, again it has zero impact on the price of a can of Coke.

So other than childish class jealousy, what difference does it make what anyone makes besides yourself?
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Dec 29, 2012
 
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Sorry for the delayed response, work and holidays took up my time.
Go back to your list of top paid CEO's. The #1 CEO had a salary of $1.66 million. His biggest gain was in the increased value of stocks he already had, which don't actually count as income until he cashes them in and went up because, arguable of what he has done for the company. His bonus was $4.65 million so the compensation paid for by the company was $6.31 million. Certainly not a small number but at $63 per employee, not very much for managing that many people.
You made a mistake in the athletes because you included endorsements. For example "Woods, 36, slipped to third after his total earnings for 2011 fell to $56.4 million, the lowest it’s been since SI.com started the “Fortunate 50” eight years ago. Woods, who didn’t capture an official U.S. PGA Tour title in 2011, had $1.9 million in winnings and received another $54.5 million in endorsement income, down $5 million from the previous year." Tiger Woods has a salary of $0. If he doesn't play he doesn't get paid. Other athletes in team sports do. If Matt Stafford gets hurt and doesn't play, he still gets a paycheck of roughly $600,000 per game.
But putting aside the semantics for now, what the CEO of Coke, Shell, Exxon, or the quarterback for the Lions, or my boss make has zero impact on my salary. Just as my salary has no impact on what the people who report to me make. Same thing as a business owner. What I made as the owner of the business didn't really have an impact on what I paid people. If the going rate for a programmer was around $60,000 then whether I made a million or $1, if I needed a programmer that's what I paid them.
If the total compensation for the CEO of Coke is doubled, guess what? It doesn't impact the price of one can of Coke. And if his compensation is cut in half, again it has zero impact on the price of a can of Coke.
So other than childish class jealousy, what difference does it make what anyone makes besides yourself?
Hey, you're the one that brought up the "childish" example in who gets paid what.

It just so happens I am very close with someone who works for McKesson and I can tell you the CEO has made some pretty sophomoric
decisions that have cost the company customers and multiple millions. So people lose their jobs for the faulty decisions top management makes while their pay stays intact.

McKesson, just as one example of many, is in no danger of any major stock price loses so the CEO is in no real danger of having to reduce his life style while he has it in his hands to dramatically change that of so many others. But you believe it's those who make the least should just accept lowering their the "need" to lower their standards of living.

And you should know CEO incomes tied to stock prices is for the purpose of them being responsible for only 15% capital gains, not income, taxes.

So lets just leave this at you can be a right as you want to be based on your view of me being involved in class jealousy and me believing you to being involved in class elitism at the other end of the issue.

That you want to believe those who make the decisions are the ones that work hard and the ones that actually do the work, making the money for those at the top, don't and are "due" only the "going rate" is, to be polite, short sighted business sense and your own style of "unionism".
"I would rather have 1% of 100 peoples efforts than 100% of my own."- Andrew Caregie
"No person will make a great business who wants to do it all himself or get all the credit." - Andrew Carnegie
"I would as soon leave my son a curse as the almighty dollar." - Andrew Carnegie
"There is no class so pitiably wretched as that which possesses money and nothing else." - Andrew Carnegie
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Sorry for the delayed response, work and holidays took up my time.
Go back to your list of top paid CEO's. The #1 CEO had a salary of $1.66 million. His biggest gain was in the increased value of stocks he already had, which don't actually count as income until he cashes them in and went up because, arguable of what he has done for the company. His bonus was $4.65 million so the compensation paid for by the company was $6.31 million. Certainly not a small number but at $63 per employee, not very much for managing that many people.
You made a mistake in the athletes because you included endorsements. For example "Woods, 36, slipped to third after his total earnings for 2011 fell to $56.4 million, the lowest it’s been since SI.com started the “Fortunate 50” eight years ago. Woods, who didn’t capture an official U.S. PGA Tour title in 2011, had $1.9 million in winnings and received another $54.5 million in endorsement income, down $5 million from the previous year." Tiger Woods has a salary of $0. If he doesn't play he doesn't get paid. Other athletes in team sports do. If Matt Stafford gets hurt and doesn't play, he still gets a paycheck of roughly $600,000 per game.
But putting aside the semantics for now, what the CEO of Coke, Shell, Exxon, or the quarterback for the Lions, or my boss make has zero impact on my salary. Just as my salary has no impact on what the people who report to me make. Same thing as a business owner. What I made as the owner of the business didn't really have an impact on what I paid people. If the going rate for a programmer was around $60,000 then whether I made a million or $1, if I needed a programmer that's what I paid them.
If the total compensation for the CEO of Coke is doubled, guess what? It doesn't impact the price of one can of Coke. And if his compensation is cut in half, again it has zero impact on the price of a can of Coke.
So other than childish class jealousy, what difference does it make what anyone makes besides yourself?
Hey, you're the one that brought up the "childish" example in who gets paid what.

And how the $131Million per year is derived it's still One Hundred Thirty One Million.

It just so happens I am very close with someone who works for McKesson and I can tell you the CEO has made some pretty sophomoric
decisions that have cost the company customers and multiple millions. So people lose their jobs for the faulty decisions top management makes while their pay stays intact.

McKesson, just as one example of many, is in no danger of any major stock price loses so the CEO is in no real danger of having to reduce his life style while he has it in his hands to dramatically change that of so many others. But you believe it's those who make the least should just accept lowering their the "need" to lower their standards of living.

And you should know CEO incomes tied to stock prices is for the purpose of them being responsible for only 15% capital gains, not income, taxes.

So lets just leave this at you can be a right as you want to be based on your view of me being involved in class jealousy and me believing you to being involved in class elitism at the other end of the issue.

That you want to believe those who make the decisions are the ones that work hard and the ones that actually do the work, making the money for those at the top, don't and are "due" only the "going rate" is, to be polite, short sighted business sense and your own style of "unionism".
"I would rather have 1% of 100 peoples efforts than 100% of my own."- Andrew Caregie
"No person will make a great business who wants to do it all himself or get all the credit." - Andrew Carnegie
"I would as soon leave my son a curse as the almighty dollar." - Andrew Carnegie
"There is no class so pitiably wretched as that which possesses money and nothing else." - Andrew Carnegie
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Dec 29, 2012
 
Oh, and forgetting to add; it doesn't matter how he is paid the $131Million it's still One Hundred Thirty One Million dollars....per year

And being paid in stock is a very slick way to defer taxes on their incomes.

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Hey, you're the one that brought up the "childish" example in who gets paid what.
It just so happens I am very close with someone who works for McKesson and I can tell you the CEO has made some pretty sophomoric
decisions that have cost the company customers and multiple millions. So people lose their jobs for the faulty decisions top management makes while their pay stays intact.
McKesson, just as one example of many, is in no danger of any major stock price loses so the CEO is in no real danger of having to reduce his life style while he has it in his hands to dramatically change that of so many others. But you believe it's those who make the least should just accept lowering their the "need" to lower their standards of living.
And you should know CEO incomes tied to stock prices is for the purpose of them being responsible for only 15% capital gains, not income, taxes.
So lets just leave this at you can be a right as you want to be based on your view of me being involved in class jealousy and me believing you to being involved in class elitism at the other end of the issue.
That you want to believe those who make the decisions are the ones that work hard and the ones that actually do the work, making the money for those at the top, don't and are "due" only the "going rate" is, to be polite, short sighted business sense and your own style of "unionism".
"I would rather have 1% of 100 peoples efforts than 100% of my own."- Andrew Caregie
"No person will make a great business who wants to do it all himself or get all the credit." - Andrew Carnegie
"I would as soon leave my son a curse as the almighty dollar." - Andrew Carnegie
"There is no class so pitiably wretched as that which possesses money and nothing else." - Andrew Carnegie
I don't disagree with you that specific individuals can be and are overpaid. Whether it is a CEO, or people who have worked for me, or the person at Walmart that wasn't worth the $9 she was being paid, lots of people are overpaid and underpaid. One of the issues though is that I'm sure that person I thought was overpaid at $35K thought they would be underpaid at $45K.

You said "That you want to believe those who make the decisions are the ones that work hard and the ones that actually do the work, making the money for those at the top, don't" I don't. Every see "Dirty Jobs"? There are a lot of folks who work harder than I do and make a lot less. Pay has nothing to do with "hard" work. There are specific reasons that we've covered as to why CEO's, quarterbacks, entertainers, etc. make millions and soldiers, police, fire, minors, etc. make significantly less.

Since you like Andrew Carnagie I'm sure you agree with him that "People who are unable to motivate themselves must be content with mediocrity, no matter how impressive their other talents." As well as "And while the law of competition may be sometimes hard for the individual, it is best for the race, because it ensures the survival of the fittest in every department."
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I don't disagree with you that specific individuals can be and are overpaid. Whether it is a CEO, or people who have worked for me, or the person at Walmart that wasn't worth the $9 she was being paid, lots of people are overpaid and underpaid. One of the issues though is that I'm sure that person I thought was overpaid at $35K thought they would be underpaid at $45K.
You said "That you want to believe those who make the decisions are the ones that work hard and the ones that actually do the work, making the money for those at the top, don't" I don't. Every see "Dirty Jobs"? There are a lot of folks who work harder than I do and make a lot less. Pay has nothing to do with "hard" work. There are specific reasons that we've covered as to why CEO's, quarterbacks, entertainers, etc. make millions and soldiers, police, fire, minors, etc. make significantly less.
Since you like Andrew Carnagie I'm sure you agree with him that "People who are unable to motivate themselves must be content with mediocrity, no matter how impressive their other talents." As well as "And while the law of competition may be sometimes hard for the individual, it is best for the race, because it ensures the survival of the fittest in every department."
Survival of the fittest? And here all this time wasted in hoping our society had risen above that.

Pay has nothing to do with hard work? How's that? Wasn't it you, along with so many others, that have said they deserve to make that kind of money because they work hard for it? So just where is the justification in others who work harder don't deserve to be paid more? Not to be trite, but then what it can only boil down to is greed and elitism. That one gets to decide what the other is worth while believing they have the right to determine their own worth and have that honored. Take your business or my business or anyone else's business. How much are we really worth if all the employees walk off the job never to return and there is no glut of people to replace them? How little were they really worth?

Without trying to change the subject that is exactly why so many businesses are afraid, yes I said afraid, of unions and collective bargaining. Because then there is a group determining their own self worth and flexing it. It is, as you would say, mathematically impossible for everyone to own their own business.

As Warren Buffet said [Yes]“there’s class warfare, all right,”“But it’s my class, the rich class, that’s making war, and we’re winning.”
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Pay has nothing to do with hard work? How's that? Wasn't it you, along with so many others, that have said they deserve to make that kind of money because they work hard for it?
What about those who don't work for it? What about those who were born into it? I know alot of people who have never worked a day in their life, they were just born to the right parents or into the right family (Romney). I also see those same people go on and on about people who receive assistance and look down upon them from on-high. For those who have built up what they have on their own I have much more respect for.

I am who I am today because of myself. I was born into a middle-class family and paid my own way through college. I have never taken a dime from the government or asked anyone for anything. At the same time I wouldn't consider myself rich or well off but I am very comfortable and feel as if I accomplished much more than those who were born on third base.
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Wahhhh, it's not fair. They were "born into money". Gee, I wonder how their parents got that money? And why don't we hear the progressives/libs/dems whiners whining about the Kennedy's and the Kerry's of the world? Answer: because it doesn't suit their argument, that's why. It only suits their argument if it's a Republican/conservative that has money. Thus, the hypocrisy of the whiners continues.

PS I wonder if these clowns actually believe that "they" got to pick the family they were born into?? That's a rhetorical question, don't bother answering.
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What about those who don't work for it? What about those who were born into it? I know alot of people who have never worked a day in their life, they were just born to the right parents or into the right family (Romney). I also see those same people go on and on about people who receive assistance and look down upon them from on-high. For those who have built up what they have on their own I have much more respect for.
I am who I am today because of myself. I was born into a middle-class family and paid my own way through college. I have never taken a dime from the government or asked anyone for anything. At the same time I wouldn't consider myself rich or well off but I am very comfortable and feel as if I accomplished much more than those who were born on third base.
And the "survival of the fittest"? That comes from Darwin in the Origin of Species. Well in the animal world the fittest steal the food from the weakest [the weakest have obtained] all the time. And if we look at the strongest that steal from the weakest, and even feed on the weakest, in the animal world they are known as predators. So we can conclude from this notion that survival of the fittest in humans it's acceptable to them to be predators.

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Survival of the fittest? And here all this time wasted in hoping our society had risen above that.
Pay has nothing to do with hard work? How's that? Wasn't it you, along with so many others, that have said they deserve to make that kind of money because they work hard for it? So just where is the justification in others who work harder don't deserve to be paid more? Not to be trite, but then what it can only boil down to is greed and elitism. That one gets to decide what the other is worth while believing they have the right to determine their own worth and have that honored. Take your business or my business or anyone else's business. How much are we really worth if all the employees walk off the job never to return and there is no glut of people to replace them? How little were they really worth?
Without trying to change the subject that is exactly why so many businesses are afraid, yes I said afraid, of unions and collective bargaining. Because then there is a group determining their own self worth and flexing it. It is, as you would say, mathematically impossible for everyone to own their own business.
As Warren Buffet said [Yes]“there’s class warfare, all right,”“But it’s my class, the rich class, that’s making war, and we’re winning.”
If you are a naturalist, we'll never rise above survival of the fittest. If you believe in God, we'll never rise above SOTF until the next life.

Never said I "deserved" to make anything. I seem to recall that I said the only thing we all deserve is death.

And no, I never said I worked harder than other people. My grandparents and parents went through the depression. I got it drilled into me at an early age to work smarter, not harder. One of my HS school teachers had two expressions - 1 was working harder made minimum wage, working smarter made real money. 2 - If life was fair my name would be Rockefeller and I wouldn't be a teacher. As I said, anytime someone uses words like "deserve" or "fair" I realize they don't have a logical argument, which you have yet to produce. Not a surprise.

Two people work for me. One does very hard physical labor, the other is a Ph.D. If I asked the Ph.D to do the physical stuff it would never happen. If I asked the laborer to give me an economic analysis it would never happen. The difference is there are 100,000,000 people who can do the physical stuff, so the job doesn't pay much. The number of folks with the PhD and the right experience are few, so the pay is a lot higher.

I never said it is mathmatically impossible for everyone to own their own business. It is certainly possible from a mathmatical point of view. It isn't possible based on human nature. Most people don't like to make serious decisions much less shoulder the financial risk involved.

You asked "How much are we really worth if all the employees walk off the job never to return and there is no glut of people to replace them?" If there is no glut of people to replace them, they are well paid, like NFL quarterbacks or CEO's. If they are cashiers, there are millions of people to replace them and therefore they get paid much less. There are no jobs where the people are poorly paid, the work is important and there are few people to do the job. That's what capitalism is all about. The market sets the wages, not the companies or the employers. As an employer I don't determine how much a job is worth, the market does. If I don't pay what the market is paying, I either don't get someone for the job or I get someone who isn't really qualified. OTOH if I want one of the best at the position than I pay at the high end of what the market pays.

As I've repeatedly showed, what John Doe makes isn't up to his boss. It is up to what the other people with the same qualifications are willing to work for. If I'm going to pay JD $50,000 and Jane Doe has the same qualifications and will do the job for $45K, then Jane has set the salary, not me.
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Dec 31, 2012
 
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And why don't we hear the progressives/libs/dems whiners whining about the Kennedy's and the Kerry's of the world? Answer: because it doesn't suit their argument, that's why.
You really don't pay attention do you? I wasn't talking about all those born into money, just the ones who were and then look down at the poor and complain that they can't make anything of them selves. Well they didn't 'make' anything of themselves either. My other point was that even though I don't have an address in Bermuda I, unlike them, have made something of myself. I have bettered myself and I did it all on my own without daddy's money.
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Dec 31, 2012
 
FLBeaver wrote:
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If you are a naturalist, we'll never rise above survival of the fittest. If you believe in God, we'll never rise above SOTF until the next life.
Never said I "deserved" to make anything. I seem to recall that I said the only thing we all deserve is death.
And no, I never said I worked harder than other people. My grandparents and parents went through the depression. I got it drilled into me at an early age to work smarter, not harder. One of my HS school teachers had two expressions - 1 was working harder made minimum wage, working smarter made real money. 2 - If life was fair my name would be Rockefeller and I wouldn't be a teacher. As I said, anytime someone uses words like "deserve" or "fair" I realize they don't have a logical argument, which you have yet to produce. Not a surprise.
Two people work for me. One does very hard physical labor, the other is a Ph.D. If I asked the Ph.D to do the physical stuff it would never happen. If I asked the laborer to give me an economic analysis it would never happen. The difference is there are 100,000,000 people who can do the physical stuff, so the job doesn't pay much. The number of folks with the PhD and the right experience are few, so the pay is a lot higher.
I never said it is mathmatically impossible for everyone to own their own business. It is certainly possible from a mathmatical point of view. It isn't possible based on human nature. Most people don't like to make serious decisions much less shoulder the financial risk involved.
You asked "How much are we really worth if all the employees walk off the job never to return and there is no glut of people to replace them?" If there is no glut of people to replace them, they are well paid, like NFL quarterbacks or CEO's. If they are cashiers, there are millions of people to replace them and therefore they get paid much less. There are no jobs where the people are poorly paid, the work is important and there are few people to do the job. That's what capitalism is all about. The market sets the wages, not the companies or the employers. As an employer I don't determine how much a job is worth, the market does. If I don't pay what the market is paying, I either don't get someone for the job or I get someone who isn't really qualified. OTOH if I want one of the best at the position than I pay at the high end of what the market pays.
As I've repeatedly showed, what John Doe makes isn't up to his boss. It is up to what the other people with the same qualifications are willing to work for. If I'm going to pay JD $50,000 and Jane Doe has the same qualifications and will do the job for $45K, then Jane has set the salary, not me.
I'm not going to get into an extended "rebuttal". I have tired of it. I have but a couple of simple questions.
Is the who works for you that has the Ph.D incapable of doing the hard physical labor? And is the hard physical laborer capable of giving you an economic analysis?
And certainly not knowing the true nature of your business, if you were forced to choose only one employee, getting rid of the other not to replace them, at least in the short term, which would be the most likely for you to keep on to keep your business from shutting down?

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