St Stephen

Grand Rapids, MI

#63 Apr 9, 2013
Living Large2 wrote:
<quoted text> If you commit a violent crime with a gun you spend the rest of your life in prison with no chance of parole.
Ok, great! Now try and get the NRA on board with that one.

Good luck!
Oneal

Three Rivers, MI

#64 Apr 9, 2013
St Stephen wrote:
<quoted text>
Ok, great! Now try and get the NRA on board with that one.
Good luck!
Cite one comment from any NRA representative that states the NRA is against prosecuting criminals guilty of committing a violent CRIME with a gun. Ask any gun owner if they are against prosecuting gun violence criminals.

Again, just making crap up to strengthen your weak argument isn't good enough.
pipedream

Grand Blanc, MI

#65 Apr 9, 2013
Living Large2 wrote:
<quoted text>I agree with you Jim, how about we STOP giving these criminals a slap on the wrist and let them out of jail. If you commit a violent crime with a gun you spend the rest of your life in prison with no chance of parole.
The fact is FAR more gun deaths, homicides, murders in the U.S. occur by so-called 'law abiding' folks pulling the trigger than by the 'criminal' element you want to blame. You're far more likely to be the victim of homicide by someone other than a criminal, i.e. friend, acquaintance, family member etc., particularly if there is a firearm in the home. Check it out, dare you. But here's a hint. You won't find any of these FACTS in your right wing gun nut or NRA sewer pipe propaganda you're so fond of.

“Selected Marksman”

Since: Aug 08

Northern Virginia

#66 Apr 9, 2013
pipedream wrote:
<quoted text>
The fact is FAR more gun deaths, homicides, murders in the U.S. occur by so-called 'law abiding' folks pulling the trigger than by the 'criminal' element you want to blame. You're far more likely to be the victim of homicide by someone other than a criminal, i.e. friend, acquaintance, family member etc., particularly if there is a firearm in the home. Check it out, dare you. But here's a hint. You won't find any of these FACTS in your right wing gun nut or NRA sewer pipe propaganda you're so fond of.
I am compelled to ask you to provide sources for your claims.
Thanks...
Phil

Oxford, MI

#67 Apr 9, 2013
Go Blue Forever wrote:
<quoted text>He turned out disappointing........On a more serious note.....Wonder why our government do at least something reasonable about gun control? I don't get the resistence to universal backround checking, as something like that is already a useful national database for Law Enforcement....and a limit on magazine capacity does'nt sound too unreasonable, does it?
Here is a couple things. If a person living in a rural area 30 miles from town wants to give or sell a gun to a family member he/she will be required to: Drive 60 miles to and from town. Pay a gun dealer to do the gun deal that he has nothing to do with. Go to the police station for the purposes of background check. The farmer could also be required to keep that transaction paperwork on file or face felony charges and jail time. Seems quite a bit much just to give your kid a gun. When only a very very very small amount of these guns ever get into any crimes.
Despite what anyone says, a listing is being kept of those gun owners. Wether it is the government or the gun dealer that is required by law for record keeping. The government only needs to audit him to get a list if they don't have it themselves. A list is a big concern for reasons of publishing and privacy as already seen. Also confiscation reasons as we have saw in the past. I believe those are some of the biggest concerns not to mention the 20,000 laws on the books restricting the law abiding citizen. A lot are just tired of adding laws that do nothing to the criminal and only hassle them. Some of these laws are making law abiding citizens into criminals by slightly crossing legal document or legal procedures. There is no need for more than 20,000 laws. Not to mention what is not being unforced anyway.
Batch 37 Pain Is Good

Mount Morris, MI

#68 Apr 9, 2013
Mr Wiggley wrote:
<quoted text>
I am compelled to ask you to provide sources for your claims.
Thanks...
Thanks....
Batch 37 Pain Is Good

Mount Morris, MI

#69 Apr 9, 2013
Phil wrote:
<quoted text>
Here is a couple things. If a person living in a rural area 30 miles from town wants to give or sell a gun to a family member he/she will be required to: Drive 60 miles to and from town. Pay a gun dealer to do the gun deal that he has nothing to do with. Go to the police station for the purposes of background check. The farmer could also be required to keep that transaction paperwork on file or face felony charges and jail time. Seems quite a bit much just to give your kid a gun. When only a very very very small amount of these guns ever get into any crimes.
Despite what anyone says, a listing is being kept of those gun owners. Wether it is the government or the gun dealer that is required by law for record keeping. The government only needs to audit him to get a list if they don't have it themselves. A list is a big concern for reasons of publishing and privacy as already seen. Also confiscation reasons as we have saw in the past. I believe those are some of the biggest concerns not to mention the 20,000 laws on the books restricting the law abiding citizen. A lot are just tired of adding laws that do nothing to the criminal and only hassle them. Some of these laws are making law abiding citizens into criminals by slightly crossing legal document or legal procedures. There is no need for more than 20,000 laws. Not to mention what is not being unforced anyway.
The underground rules......
Phil

Oxford, MI

#70 Apr 9, 2013
Living Large2 wrote:
<quoted text>I agree with you Jim, how about we STOP giving these criminals a slap on the wrist and let them out of jail. If you commit a violent crime with a gun you spend the rest of your life in prison with no chance of parole.
I would be in favor of very strict penalties such as life behind Bars or death sentance if all doubt was removed and it was fact that the crime consisted of shooting and wounding or killing a innocent victim. There are way to many variables to what you said to agree. It was very very unspecific all do respect. If you meant it the way I think you did I agree totally. It just can't be said so openly because people would butcher what you said.

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#71 Apr 9, 2013
Why could'nt it be done directly with local law enforcement...over the phone or internet? Instead of driving there?.....As far as any records on gun ownership, would'nt they already have been gathered, regardless of what new laws might be introduced?

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#72 Apr 9, 2013
Sorry, my last post was replying to Phil.....
Phil

Oxford, MI

#73 Apr 9, 2013
Phil wrote:
<quoted text>I would be in favor of very strict penalties such as life behind Bars or death sentance if all doubt was removed and it was fact that the crime consisted of shooting and wounding or killing a innocent victim. There are way to many variables to what you said to agree. It was very very unspecific all do respect. If you meant it the way I think you did I agree totally. It just can't be said so openly because people would butcher what you said.
C even I was not clear enough while trying to be very clear. In the process of a serious crime the criminal also beside the serious crime it's self, shoots wounds or kills a innocent victim with the intent of doing so.
Phil

Oxford, MI

#74 Apr 9, 2013
Go Blue Forever wrote:
Why could'nt it be done directly with local law enforcement...over the phone or internet? Instead of driving there?.....As far as any records on gun ownership, would'nt they already have been gathered, regardless of what new laws might be introduced?
You have not went through the seriousness of a real background check. There are no two ways about it, you can not do it any other way but face to face with the proper authorities.

No that paperwork would not be kept on file without new laws.
free thinker

Farmington, MI

#76 Apr 9, 2013
pipedream wrote:
You are one dumb S O B. most of the crimes committed with guns were by so-called 'law abiding" citizens.
You might want to look in the mirror when you talk about dumb SOBs so you can see for yourself what one actually looks like. Hello, dumbazz...if you commit a crime, whether you use a weapon or not, you aren't a law abiding citizen, now are you?
Since the cure for ignorance is education, let me give you a booster shot: http://people.duke.edu/~gnsmith/articles/myth...
free thinker

Farmington, MI

#77 Apr 9, 2013
pipedream wrote:
The fact is FAR more gun deaths, homicides, murders in the U.S. occur by so-called 'law abiding' folks pulling the trigger than by the 'criminal' element you want to blame.
Waving the bullshit flag here.
http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gun_facts....

The statistics are backed up by footnoted sources. Have fun trying to prove them wrong.
Phil

Oxford, MI

#78 Apr 9, 2013
free thinker wrote:
<quoted text>Waving the bullshit flag here.
http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gun_facts....

The statistics are backed up by footnoted sources. Have fun trying to prove them wrong.
Very nice links!!
Really

Grandville, MI

#79 Apr 9, 2013
pipedream wrote:
<quoted text>
Hahah. woke up with that nasty vaginitis again today huh? stop on your way to work today and pick up a tube of Vagisil. And since its a chronic condition with you douche hourly with salt water and vinegar.
I see Mommy needs to wash your potty mouth out with soap, yet again little boy. I will be sure and call her and let her know.
Batch 37 Pain Is Good

Mount Morris, MI

#80 Apr 9, 2013
Really wrote:
<quoted text>I see Mommy needs to wash your potty mouth out with soap, yet again little boy. I will be sure and call her and let her know.
He is from Flint and they are a little slow over there......

Since: Mar 09

Grandville, MI

#81 Apr 9, 2013
Go Blue Forever wrote:
<quoted text> He turned out disappointing........On a more serious note.....Wonder why our government do at least something reasonable about gun control? I don't get the resistence to universal backround checking, as something like that is already a useful national database for Law Enforcement....and a limit on magazine capacity does'nt sound too unreasonable, does it?
It doesn't sound unreasonable to me. BUT, we already have background check's, and waiting periods in place.
I have no problem with that. If I want to go buy a gun (which I am thinking about doing) I don't have any problem with the background check, or waiting period.
I just don't think any more laws and restrictions are going to keep guns out of the hands of those that use them to commit crimes.
Just this morning, some kid robbed a gas station near where I work, he had a gun,....I doubt he bought it legally, and went through a background check.s
Like I've said,....I'm not against back ground checks.
I just don't see how more laws are going to keep those Saturday night specials out of the wrong hands.
Shuck's,..you can go to Mexico and buy a truckload of guns that Obama left down there with his Fast and Furious campaign for $100
no back ground check required!
vox veritatis

Grand Rapids, MI

#82 Apr 9, 2013
pipedream wrote:
woke up with that nasty vaginitis again today huh? stop on your way to work today and pick up a tube of Vagisil. And since its a chronic condition with you douche hourly with salt water and vinegar.
You seem to have a lot of personal experience with that sort of thing. You might want to stop self-medicating and seek professional help at your local health department...it could be a sign you're infected with one or more STDs.
http://www.idph.state.il.us/about/womenshealt...
Then again, an advanced case of syphilis would go a long way towards explaining your irrational thinking. http://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/article.aspx...
pipedream

Grand Blanc, MI

#83 Apr 9, 2013
Mr Wiggley wrote:
<quoted text>
I am compelled to ask you to provide sources for your claims.
Thanks...
Here's one good source but there are others. I posted it earlier on the Mark Kelly thread.

http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-kellermann.ht ...

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