Do you have any parting thoughts for ...

Do you have any parting thoughts for Granholm?

Created by Democratic Party on Dec 22, 2010

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Goodbye and good riddance

You make me sick, I want to throw up

We are blown away by your incompetence

Congratulations on ruining the economy

Your reign of error is over

Worst governor ever

Please pack your bags and go back to Canada

We are tired of your crap

You were an utter failure

Try getting your moles removed

RFist333

New Buffalo, MI

#24 Dec 28, 2010
Besides all they do is assemble the batteries, the cars will cost a lot, they won't last and be regulated to one fleck of battery dust hits the ground.

pure nonsense, I hope people know those electric cars aint going to work.
Sucks up copper takes tons of energy to make it, it is so far away from "green".

Man when will people realise all those other countries are small and don't have the same problems we will have.
The ONLY practical use might be city fleets, like mail delivery.

If I didn't know science, mainly electronics, I might believe in the nonsense.
Lithium will get in the water, more imports from China to make the stuff, insanity.

one big poopy failure, they are pushing the envelope on science I know won't work for the masses and longterm.
Like making all those extra trash cans to recycly, how much pollution did it take to make, how much pollution will if give for the recycling.

bagh, all she pushed was the left wing "green jobs" but nothing worth the trouble while we sit on masive supplies of natural gas.

almost moronic.

“Lost in the middle somewhere..”

Since: Nov 07

Location hidden

#25 Dec 29, 2010
Bulldog wrote:
<quoted text>
Ideologues = an often blindly partisan advocate. Now that's the pot calling the kettle black.
Here is a big irrefutable fact...
When any state's economy is tied so closely to corrupt unions.. which has proven to destroy industry, the state and the citizens will all suffer.
Unions never take into account the basic fundamentals of business. As they inflate labor rates, they drive up the cost of the products, to the point that it is no long wise to purchase them. It cheaper to buy a product manufactured overseas, then shipped back to America, than it is to buy a product made in America by a union shop. If the person running the machine that tightens the lug nuts on the assembly line makes $88.00 per hour (including benefit package) is it any wonder a decent American made car cost over $45,000.00 instead of $16,000.00. In a closed shop state nobody drives a truck, turns a screwdriver, or even wears a police badge, without a union card. A school district is forced to pay prevailing wage for someone to change a light bulb or plow a parking lot. And prevailing wage is nothing more than extortion. The city of New York has about 6 different unions just for bridge upkeep. Check out online the number of union demands to rent out the VanAndel. Any wonder ticket prices are getting to be unaffordable for an average family. Maybe Unions were needed at the turn of the 20th century but today they are nothing more than a powerful, rich, corrupt organization which attempts to manipulate elections.. We have law upon regulation upon strangulation in the work places. Only a union sloth and /or a socialistic Ideologue would support unions. Which one are you?
And in your own school district Mr. Luxford, sport booster parents who were willing to clean up the football field preseason were not allowed to because of the union’s hissy fit. Any wonder schools are always strapped for cash?
So take your union card, and shove it. And may God have mercy on you because of your hateful socialistic ideology.
Extremely well said.

Parting thoughts.......okay I will be nice! I am sure at the time she took office she had the biggest and greatest intentions in the world. I am sure that she felt she could and would turn this into the greatest state in the country. However, she either over-estimated her abilities, lost her way, or was swayed by those around her. Either way, she was an overall failure as a governor. Of course there are some things to her credit, but she may go down in our state's history as very possibly the worst governor ever.
snomad

Hudsonville, MI

#26 Dec 29, 2010
-LMS- wrote:
<quoted text>
Extremely well said.
Parting thoughts.......okay I will be nice! I am sure at the time she took office she had the biggest and greatest intentions in the world. I am sure that she felt she could and would turn this into the greatest state in the country. However, she either over-estimated her abilities, lost her way, or was swayed by those around her. Either way, she was an overall failure as a governor. Of course there are some things to her credit, but she may go down in our state's history as very possibly the worst governor ever.
Her and Engler will have to fight for that title as Granholms' failings are in alignment with Englers' accomplishments. Although, just like in boxing, it takes nearly overwhelming the champ (not simply tipping the scales) to win. A good match indeed, but I believe Engler will retain his status.

“Lost in the middle somewhere..”

Since: Nov 07

Location hidden

#27 Dec 29, 2010
snomad wrote:
<quoted text>
Her and Engler will have to fight for that title as Granholms' failings are in alignment with Englers' accomplishments. Although, just like in boxing, it takes nearly overwhelming the champ (not simply tipping the scales) to win. A good match indeed, but I believe Engler will retain his status.
Fair enough. In all honesty, I suppose I have no authority to claim who is or isn't the worst governor in our state's history. I haven't been living long enough or paid attention to politics long enough to really know the good and bad of our past governors. So, I digress in my claim that Granholm is perhaps the worst governor ever. However, I still feel that she performed poorly as a whole during her time in office. And I voted for her (once anyway)!
Tary thebore

United States

#28 Dec 29, 2010
Let's be real. She inherited a mess, was unsuccessful in cleaning it up, and now passes it on to the next loser. Politicians in general suck.
Even Vern Ehlers got contaminated and turned on us. I stll have my job but most of the time I spend posting on this site under various names and
monikers.
Mark Luxford

Grand Rapids, MI

#29 Dec 29, 2010
Sandy wrote:
<quoted text>
Translation: "It's all Bush's fault." If Granholm couldn't do anything about the economy, then why did she promise everything to everyone ("In five years, you're gonna be blown away"), and why did she even bother to run for Governor in the first place? And the overseas trips? Why would any foreign country conduct any business or trade in Michigan when she spent her entire campaigns bashing foreign countries and corporations? Granholm is a pathetic joke, and you can shove it. Her legacy will be one of a colossal disaster and incompetence, blaming other people for her total failure.
Where in my post did I mention Bush? Nice attempt at putting words in my mouth. Why did Granholm say we'd be blown away? Because she believed her proposed policies would work. Why did she run for governor? Ask her. And please document your claim that she bashed foreign countries and corporations. And by the way, my dear, you are certainly one of those who I hope God has mercy on.
Mark Luxford

Grand Rapids, MI

#30 Dec 29, 2010
Sandy wrote:
<quoted text>Gee, Mark, have a problem with people who don't like your heroes?? While I agree that there is way too much hatred being exhibited, I for one will be thrilled to see her leave. The damage she has caused will be with us for many, many, years. As for her "trips" overseas, they were spending sprees on the backs of those of us who remained here. She could have done more good by staying home and managing the state instead of globetrotting all over while pretending to be important.
No, I don't have a problem with people who don't like the people I like. I have a problem with hateful ideologues who wouldn't recognize the truth if it bit the on the azz.
Mark Luxford

Grand Rapids, MI

#31 Dec 29, 2010
Bulldog wrote:
<quoted text>
Ideologues = an often blindly partisan advocate. Now that's the pot calling the kettle black.
Here is a big irrefutable fact...
When any state's economy is tied so closely to corrupt unions.. which has proven to destroy industry, the state and the citizens will all suffer.
Unions never take into account the basic fundamentals of business. As they inflate labor rates, they drive up the cost of the products, to the point that it is no long wise to purchase them. It cheaper to buy a product manufactured overseas, then shipped back to America, than it is to buy a product made in America by a union shop. If the person running the machine that tightens the lug nuts on the assembly line makes $88.00 per hour (including benefit package) is it any wonder a decent American made car cost over $45,000.00 instead of $16,000.00. In a closed shop state nobody drives a truck, turns a screwdriver, or even wears a police badge, without a union card. A school district is forced to pay prevailing wage for someone to change a light bulb or plow a parking lot. And prevailing wage is nothing more than extortion. The city of New York has about 6 different unions just for bridge upkeep. Check out online the number of union demands to rent out the VanAndel. Any wonder ticket prices are getting to be unaffordable for an average family. Maybe Unions were needed at the turn of the 20th century but today they are nothing more than a powerful, rich, corrupt organization which attempts to manipulate elections.. We have law upon regulation upon strangulation in the work places. Only a union sloth and /or a socialistic Ideologue would support unions. Which one are you?
And in your own school district Mr. Luxford, sport booster parents who were willing to clean up the football field preseason were not allowed to because of the union’s hissy fit. Any wonder schools are always strapped for cash?
So take your union card, and shove it. And may God have mercy on you because of your hateful socialistic ideology.
LOL....You are too funny. I'm a socialistic ideologue??? Dude, if you've read any of my posts I've made it clear that I am very dissatisfied with many of the decisions Obama has made. How is that being an ideologue? I also posted a belief that i wouldn't have been unhappy had Harry Reid lost his re-election bid this year? How is that being an ideologue?

As far as the unions go, I guess you've forgotten that all of the workplace benefits we have today like a 40-hour work week and paid vacations are due to the unions. Are the unions perfect? Of course not. But I hate to imagine what our workplaces would look like if there were no unions.

And in your zeal to blame the unions for the state of Michigan's economy you are holding the automakers blameless for the poor decisions they've made in designing and manufacturing cars that the American people didn't want.

As far as your wish that God have mercy on my soul is concerned, I thank you. While I am not a socialitic ideologue as you believe, I am also not perfect and would welcome God's mercy when I meet my Maker.
Dave Ramsey is a thief

Aurora, CO

#32 Dec 29, 2010
Mark Luxford wrote:
<quoted text>
LOL....You are too funny. I'm a socialistic ideologue??? Dude, if you've read any of my posts I've made it clear that I am very dissatisfied with many of the decisions Obama has made. How is that being an ideologue? I also posted a belief that i wouldn't have been unhappy had Harry Reid lost his re-election bid this year? How is that being an ideologue?
As far as the unions go, I guess you've forgotten that all of the workplace benefits we have today like a 40-hour work week and paid vacations are due to the unions. Are the unions perfect? Of course not. But I hate to imagine what our workplaces would look like if there were no unions.
And in your zeal to blame the unions for the state of Michigan's economy you are holding the automakers blameless for the poor decisions they've made in designing and manufacturing cars that the American people didn't want.
As far as your wish that God have mercy on my soul is concerned, I thank you. While I am not a socialitic ideologue as you believe, I am also not perfect and would welcome God's mercy when I meet my Maker.
You are a Communist

“Russian ties?”

Since: Mar 09

Grandville, MI

#33 Dec 29, 2010
Sandy wrote:
<quoted text>
Granholm had nothing to do with this. That is like saying all the jobs that DeVos created at his companies in the past eight years in Kent County should be credited to Granholm, just because she was Governor when they were created. Granholm has driven hundreds of thousands of jobs out of the state due to her incompetence and her tax-and-spend policies, while the only jobs she created were giveaways to her union friends.
I wasnt defending Granholm, like I said, I'm not a fan of her's.
I just pointed out some of the things going on right now.
If you've ever read any of my posts, you would know that I tend to lean just a little to the right, and the conservative side on issues.
Do you really think that the DeVos, and Van Andel families dont get any "tax breaks"?
Just look at whats been going on downtown on Michigan Ave. over the past few years.
You dont think that there were any tax breaks involved for the new JW Marriot Hotel?
All I'm trying to say, is that I refuse to blame ALL of Michigan's problems on Granholm.
Do I think she was a good governor?...NO!
But I wont just blindly blame everything on her.
Our state is heavily tied to the auto industry, and when the far left Barney Frank and Chris Dodd, started the mortgage crisis, people didnt have money to buy new cars, and our state suffered for it.
Rick Snyder will not be able to turn this states economy around unless things change in Washington.
We'll have to wait until 2012, it will happen!

“Russian ties?”

Since: Mar 09

Grandville, MI

#34 Dec 29, 2010
Snapple wrote:
Well said Sandy and I agree with every word.
Sandy = 2 - Mark Luxford = 0
Sandy = 1 - Gville Jim = 0
Who cares what you think?
But thanks for your "in depth" opinion!
RFist333

United States

#35 Dec 29, 2010
"Rick Snyder will not be able to turn this states economy around unless things change in Washington"

disagree

Granholm was purposly sucking up big time to washington-Obama-liberal agenda.

Snyder will entrap them, and make our own little sneaky laws.
Bulldog

Grand Rapids, MI

#36 Dec 29, 2010
Mark Luxford wrote:
<quoted text>
LOL....You are too funny. I'm a socialistic ideologue??? Dude, if you've read any of my posts I've made it clear that I am very dissatisfied with many of the decisions Obama has made. How is that being an ideologue? I also posted a belief that i wouldn't have been unhappy had Harry Reid lost his re-election bid this year? How is that being an ideologue?
As far as the unions go, I guess you've forgotten that all of the workplace benefits we have today like a 40-hour work week and paid vacations are due to the unions. Are the unions perfect? Of course not. But I hate to imagine what our workplaces would look like if there were no unions.
And in your zeal to blame the unions for the state of Michigan's economy you are holding the automakers blameless for the poor decisions they've made in designing and manufacturing cars that the American people didn't want.
As far as your wish that God have mercy on my soul is concerned, I thank you. While I am not a socialitic ideologue as you believe, I am also not perfect and would welcome God's mercy when I meet my Maker.
The funny one is you. If you have read posts from resident conservatives here you should be aware they are not happy with the left or right. That’s what the Tea Party movement is about. TP people have come to the realization that most Washington politicians are corrupt, our government is broken, they’ve had enough and will not take it anymore. What Obama decisions dissatisfy you? Obama’s not left enough for you or maybe He’s not yet proclaimed socialism as USA’s new religion? You wanted gorgonzola instead of Velveeta?
Saying you would “not have been unhappy” had dirty hairy lost his re-election bid this year does not give you an ideologue pass card.

As far as unions go I will not forget how all the workplace benefits/entitlements the unions demand has destroyed our economy, created an unhealthy work force full of whinners who expect to be hand
fed for a lifetime. I love to imagine what the work place would look like if there were NO unions. People would be free to change jobs without losing seniority, good workers would no longer have to carry the load of the lazy ones, employee’s could give above and beyond because they choose to be a good employee rather than carrying a union contract in their back pocket. Steelcase never had unions and was a damn good place to work until the economy took dump. Bad teachers could be fired without thousands of dollars being spent on union lawyers, many services could be privatized saving the taxpayer and the school districts millions. Employees would keep money in their own pockets because union dues would not have to be paid and the prevailing wage could no longer extort money to feed the union’s political machine.. A clue to my sense you are an socialist ideologue comes from your own words. It’s only about what the union can give you because a steady paycheck wasn’t good enough.
Most parents spend years teaching their kids actions breed consequences and therefore I didn’t support the bailout. Where did I say I am not holding the auto makers blameless for making poor decisions? Our politicians had no business bailing out anything.
Nothing is ever too big to fail, including the USA. We must get our government back on track, the progressive socialist movement must be crushed and we need to start pulling the head’s out of every liberal ass we can find.
I’m flattered that you appreciate my concern for your soul. Your maker has provided you with the resources to search for the truth, along with the ability to choose right from wrong.
I still think you are a socialist ideologue. When you do meet your maker, knowing that part you have played in destroying the best country in the world, realize you will have some explaining to do. Hopefully He will have lots of mercy on your soul.
Bulldog

Grand Rapids, MI

#37 Dec 29, 2010
Mark Luxford wrote:
<quoted text>
LOL....You are too funny. I'm a socialistic ideologue??? Dude, if you've read any of my posts I've made it clear that I am very dissatisfied with many of the decisions Obama has made. How is that being an ideologue? I also posted a belief that i wouldn't have been unhappy had Harry Reid lost his re-election bid this year? How is that being an ideologue?
As far as the unions go, I guess you've forgotten that all of the workplace benefits we have today like a 40-hour work week and paid vacations are due to the unions. Are the unions perfect? Of course not. But I hate to imagine what our workplaces would look like if there were no unions.
And in your zeal to blame the unions for the state of Michigan's economy you are holding the automakers blameless for the poor decisions they've made in designing and manufacturing cars that the American people didn't want.
As far as your wish that God have mercy on my soul is concerned, I thank you. While I am not a socialitic ideologue as you believe, I am also not perfect and would welcome God's mercy when I meet my Maker.
If you have read posts from conservatives here you should know they are not happy with the left or right. That’s what the Tea Party movement is about. TP people have come to the realization that Washington politicians are corrupt, our government is broken, they’ve had enough and will not take it anymore. What Obama decisions dissatisfy you? Obama’s not left enough for you or maybe He’s not yet proclaimed socialism as USA’s new religion? You wanted gorgonzola instead of Velveeta?
Saying you would “not have been unhappy” had dirty hairy lost his re-election bid this year does not give you an ideologue pass card.
As far as unions go I will not forget how all the workplace benefits/entitlements the unions demand has destroyed our economy, created a work force full of takers who expect to be hand fed for a lifetime. I love to imagine what the work place would look like if there were NO unions. People would be free to change jobs without losing seniority, good workers would no longer have to carry the load of the lazy ones, employee’s could give above and beyond because they choose to be a good employee rather than carrying a union contract in their back pocket. Steelcase never had unions and was a damn good place to work until the economy took dump. Bad teachers could be fired without thousands of dollars being spent on union lawyers, many services could be privatized saving the taxpayer and the school districts millions. Employees would keep money in their own pockets because union dues would not have to be paid. The prevailing wage could no longer extort money to feed the union’s political machine.. A clue to my sense you are a socialist ideologue comes from your own words. It’s only about what the union can give you because a steady paycheck wasn’t good enough.
Most parents spend years teaching their kids actions breed consequences and therefore I didn’t support the bailout. Where did I say I am not holding the auto makers blameless for making poor decisions? Our politicians had no business bailing out anything. Nothing is ever too big to fail, including the USA. We must get our government back on track, the progressive socialist movement must be crushed and we need to start pulling the head’s out of every liberal ass we can find.
I’m flattered that you appreciate my concern for your soul. Your maker has provided you with the resources to search for the truth, along with the ability to choose right from wrong. I still think you are a blind partisan advocate. When you do meet your maker, knowing that part you have played in destroying the best country in the world, realize you will have some explaining to do. Hopefully He will have lots of mercy on your soul.
Mark Luxford

Grand Rapids, MI

#38 Dec 31, 2010
Bulldog, in answer to your questions....

My dissatisfaction with Obama dates back to his decision to take off the table the investigation of the Bush/Cheney administration for possible illegal acts. I believe they should be held responsible for their actions if they're guilty of wrongdoing.

I have been dissatisfied with his zeal for compromise instead of realizing that the people he is seeking to compromise with have a stated goal of destroying him politically, instead of fighting for what he believes is right.

I was angered by his decision to ask for a stay to block the implementation of that judge's ruling ending DADT. That worked out OK in the end, but it may not have. I was unhappy with his decision to gamble with people's lives that way.

I do not agree with his continuation of many of Bush's "War On Terror" policies, and indeed his expansion of them. Obama signed an executive order allowing us to shoot on sight an American citizen who has become a leader in al Qaeda. I thought that citizenship gives us certain rights, like the right not to be executed by the government if they deem us a threat. I believe that sets a dangerous precedent.

You say that resident conservatives here are not happy with the left or the right. If that's true, why is it that on issue after issue they take up the position of the right/Congressional Republicans?

You ask where you said that you are holding the automakers blameless for making poor decisions. I refer you back to your earlier post in this thread, where you quoted my stated fact about the ties between a state's economy and the fortunes of that state's dominant industry, and then launched into an anti-union rant. It's not what you said, but what you didn't say. You assigned no responsibility to the automakers for their poor business decisions. All you did was blame the unions.

You conclude that you believe I am a socialist ideologue. Not true. Look up socialism in the dictionary. Websters defines it as "any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods." I do not advocate governmental ownership of industry, but I see the need for governmental oversight and regulation. That is not socialism.

You say I'm an ideologue. But my disagreement with the Obama decisions I've outlined here as well as my willingness to see Harry Reid unseated by a Republican, show clearly that I am not a blind follower of the Democratic Party and its leaders.
Sandy

Aurora, CO

#39 Dec 31, 2010
Mark Luxford wrote:
Bulldog, in answer to your questions....
My dissatisfaction with Obama dates back to his decision to take off the table the investigation of the Bush/Cheney administration for possible illegal acts. I believe they should be held responsible for their actions if they're guilty of wrongdoing.
I have been dissatisfied with his zeal for compromise instead of realizing that the people he is seeking to compromise with have a stated goal of destroying him politically, instead of fighting for what he believes is right.
I was angered by his decision to ask for a stay to block the implementation of that judge's ruling ending DADT. That worked out OK in the end, but it may not have. I was unhappy with his decision to gamble with people's lives that way.
I do not agree with his continuation of many of Bush's "War On Terror" policies, and indeed his expansion of them. Obama signed an executive order allowing us to shoot on sight an American citizen who has become a leader in al Qaeda. I thought that citizenship gives us certain rights, like the right not to be executed by the government if they deem us a threat. I believe that sets a dangerous precedent.
You say that resident conservatives here are not happy with the left or the right. If that's true, why is it that on issue after issue they take up the position of the right/Congressional Republicans?
You ask where you said that you are holding the automakers blameless for making poor decisions. I refer you back to your earlier post in this thread, where you quoted my stated fact about the ties between a state's economy and the fortunes of that state's dominant industry, and then launched into an anti-union rant. It's not what you said, but what you didn't say. You assigned no responsibility to the automakers for their poor business decisions. All you did was blame the unions.
You conclude that you believe I am a socialist ideologue. Not true. Look up socialism in the dictionary. Websters defines it as "any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods." I do not advocate governmental ownership of industry, but I see the need for governmental oversight and regulation. That is not socialism.
You say I'm an ideologue. But my disagreement with the Obama decisions I've outlined here as well as my willingness to see Harry Reid unseated by a Republican, show clearly that I am not a blind follower of the Democratic Party and its leaders.
"gamble with people's lives" - please. There is no constitutional right to serve in the military. The military discriminates all the time against people - the overweight, the convicted felon, the disabled, the claustrophobic.

The whole DADT affected less than 1% of the population, and yet you and your fellow gays get all melodramatic about it (I suppose that is to be expected), making it look like it's the end of the world if the gays do not get to serve. This is far from being the most important issue in the country. We have two wars going on, and the economy is in ruins thanks to your friends Obama and Granholm.

The gays often have a double-standard - they say they want people to leave them alone and stay out of their business, and then they run around having parades based on their sexuality and constantly making a political issue out of everything. If your business is your private business, then keep it that way and don't shove it in everyone's face - homosexual or heterosexual. No one wants to hear it.
Jan

Aurora, CO

#40 Dec 31, 2010
Gville Jim wrote:
<quoted text>There are three new battery plants being built right now, two in Holland, one in Midland. There's the Farmers insurance building going up. Those places alone will employ thousands. I know that doesnt seem like much to some but it's a start. And you cant deny the fact that these projects all started under Granholm.
I'm certain there are more, but those are just some that come to mind.
I'm not a big fan of Granholm, but I'm willing to give her some credit for whats she has done recently.
One of the most moronic statements ever posted

“Russian ties?”

Since: Mar 09

Grandville, MI

#41 Dec 31, 2010
Jan wrote:
<quoted text>
One of the most moronic statements ever posted
Why is that?
Care to explain?
Jan

Aurora, CO

#42 Dec 31, 2010
Gville Jim wrote:
<quoted text>Why is that?
Care to explain?
Because Granholm doesn't deserve credit for any of that, and all of it is a joke anyway, when compared to how many jobs she drove out of the state due to her incompetence and her union-loving policies.

Take Electrolux in Greenville for example. When they moved to Mexico, even after Granholm threw all kinds of giveaways to them (using our tax dollars), they left anyway. So what did Granholm do next? She persuaded another company to relocate to Greenville and created 400 jobs there. And she used our tax dollars to do it. Sounds not that offensive so far, right? But where did the company relocate to Greenville from? Oakland County, Michigan! So she uses our tax dollars to entice a company to move its facilities from one part of Michigan to another, just so she can say she helped Greenville. This is a scam.

She also used our tax dollars - tens of millions - to convince Quicken Loans to move their corporate offices from Livonia, Michigan, to Detroit, Michigan! Another scam. This was all to help Mayor Kilpatrick save face. I'm sorry, but Granholm is clueless, and we should rejoice that today is her last official day in office. Good riddance to this fool. I can't believe you credit her for "creating" these jobs. Get a clue.
RFist333

Comstock Park, MI

#43 Dec 31, 2010
I didn't appreciate her going to other countries and get them here, screw that.

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