Salvation Army bell ringers need more green, not plastic, this year to keep up with need

Nov 9, 2012 Full story: MLive.com 23

From left, The Salvation Army's Major Bob Mueller, Spartan Store's Jeanne Norcross and Grand Rapids Mayor George Heartwell ring bells to officially kick off The Salvation Army's Red Kettle Campaign on Thursday, Nov.

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Who

Wyoming, MI

#1 Nov 11, 2012
I'm not giving anything this year AT ALL - not 1 cent.

In the past I've given lots of money, but for what? Don't these leeches get enough from Obastard?

Particularly the brown bell ringers - they voted for the condition they're in, they must enjoy it because they certainly don't want to change it.

True story - the other night as I was crossing the parking lot at the store, a black guy comes up to me asking for money.

Are you fucking kidding me? Don't these parasites get enough from 'their' messiah?

So I told him he should have voted the right way and walked away.

It's obvious judging from who's still in office that people enjoy the living in the welfare state - so don't come begging around the holidays because as far as I'm concerned you got everything you asked for, particularly the brown people.

Anyone who gives to these "charities" is only aiding, abetting and encouraging these leeches, because it's never going to be enough, they'll always want more as long as you keep giving it to them.
Bob

Big Rapids, MI

#2 Nov 11, 2012
Who wrote:
I'm not giving anything this year AT ALL - not 1 cent.
In the past I've given lots of money, but for what? Don't these leeches get enough from Obastard?
Particularly the brown bell ringers - they voted for the condition they're in, they must enjoy it because they certainly don't want to change it.
True story - the other night as I was crossing the parking lot at the store, a black guy comes up to me asking for money.
Are you fucking kidding me? Don't these parasites get enough from 'their' messiah?
So I told him he should have voted the right way and walked away.
It's obvious judging from who's still in office that people enjoy the living in the welfare state - so don't come begging around the holidays because as far as I'm concerned you got everything you asked for, particularly the brown people.
Anyone who gives to these "charities" is only aiding, abetting and encouraging these leeches, because it's never going to be enough, they'll always want more as long as you keep giving it to them.
LMFAO!

vox veritatis

Grand Rapids, MI

#3 Nov 11, 2012
I'm not giving this year, either. We shoudn't need the Salvation Army, anyway. Obama's welfare state takes care of everyone, right?
Who

Stockton, CA

#4 Nov 11, 2012
Exactly, if Obastard and the government are wonderful why are these people still panhandling?
vox veritatis

Grand Rapids, MI

#5 Nov 11, 2012
Every last person who comes up to me asking for money is going to get the same answer from now on: "Go ask Obama, he'll help you out".

Since: Mar 09

Grandville, MI

#6 Nov 11, 2012
90% of the money they take in goes towards Administraion costs.
I will throw a penny in towards that. But no more.
Just look at their absence out east after hurricane Sandy!
Obama will fix everything!
After he took his famous helicopter ride over New Jersey, he claimed that everything was fixed.
Sassy

Grand Rapids, MI

#7 Nov 11, 2012
It is quite obvious by the posts that I have read in this forum that the right does not believe in charitable giving to those less fortunate then them. They want to keep it all to themselve's. Yet they condone in corporate charity. How telling is that? hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm very very interesting.

I do a lot of charity work with KFB, Habitat for Humanity,etc. I am not just talking $$ I am talking physical labor for the betterment of others. Whom on the right that expect President Obama to yell that Obama is giving Freebies away can say the same.
Really

Holland, MI

#8 Nov 11, 2012
Sassy wrote:
It is quite obvious by the posts that I have read in this forum that the right does not believe in charitable giving to those less fortunate then them. They want to keep it all to themselve's. Yet they condone in corporate charity. How telling is that? hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm very very interesting.
I do a lot of charity work with KFB, Habitat for Humanity,etc. I am not just talking $$ I am talking physical labor for the betterment of others. Whom on the right that expect President Obama to yell that Obama is giving Freebies away can say the same.
Generalizing again, Sassy? You just lectured others this past week about generalizing about the liberals but you are more than willing to generalize, and untruthfully at that, about those on the right. You obviously don't understand sarcasm when you read it. Lighten up. As for giving to the Salvation Army, I give every year in the kettles. Rang the bells for many years as a volunteer until their board decided that the volunteer groups were not needed. Their board does it and they pay people to ring the bells now. I don't blame the people who are ringing the bells, I blame the Salvation Army. Much as I refuse to give to the Red Cross OR United Way unless I can stipulate where I want the funds to go. Their administrative costs are much higher than the portion they actually give to those in need.
Who

Wyoming, MI

#9 Nov 12, 2012
I, personally, was dead serious.

These people get enough handouts, they even voted for handouts.

If I put anything in the kettle at all it'll be the phone number to 1600 Pennsylvania Ave., let them beg to their precious "messiah" Obastard whom they claimed made everything better the past 4 years and then on top of it called us racists.

Well I'm going to be labeled a 'racist' I might as well act like one.

If brown people want more money - TALK TO OBASTARD, don't come begging to me.
Who

Wyoming, MI

#10 Nov 12, 2012
oops, meant "... IF I'm going to be labeled...
Bob

Big Rapids, MI

#11 Nov 12, 2012
Who wrote:
I, personally, was dead serious.
These people get enough handouts, they even voted for handouts.
If I put anything in the kettle at all it'll be the phone number to 1600 Pennsylvania Ave., let them beg to their precious "messiah" Obastard whom they claimed made everything better the past 4 years and then on top of it called us racists.
Well I'm going to be labeled a 'racist' I might as well act like one.
If brown people want more money - TALK TO OBASTARD, don't come begging to me.
The only laberl that you, your movement, and your confederates have now is....... Passe!
vox veritatis

Grand Rapids, MI

#12 Nov 12, 2012
Sassy wrote:
It is quite obvious by the posts that I have read in this forum that the right does not believe in charitable giving to those less fortunate then them.
Believe in it, sure...just can't afford it thanks to Obama and that looming fiscal cliff. If they want help, they can go see the guy they elected to give it to them and go claim some of that 'obama money'.
Funny how you want to put conservatives down, call them names, call them racist, tell them they're irrelevant, passe', ignorant and demean them in any way you can think of and then have the nerve to hold out your hand or criticize them for observing that if Obama's policies are so grand, why are any of these charities necessary?
On the other hand, if one of my own needs help and I have the ability to give it, they'll get it long before those bell ringers and leaches with those sad little cardboard signs. Everyone else can fend for themselves.
Who

Wyoming, MI

#13 Nov 12, 2012
Tell these parasites to get on their "OBAMA PHONE" and call Obastard.

Since: Mar 09

Grandville, MI

#14 Nov 12, 2012
Sassy wrote:
It is quite obvious by the posts that I have read in this forum that the right does not believe in charitable giving to those less fortunate then them. They want to keep it all to themselve's. Yet they condone in corporate charity. How telling is that? hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm very very interesting.
I do a lot of charity work with KFB, Habitat for Humanity,etc. I am not just talking $$ I am talking physical labor for the betterment of others. Whom on the right that expect President Obama to yell that Obama is giving Freebies away can say the same.
Juat because someone chooses not to give the Red Cross, doesnt mean that they are not charitable people.
Generalize much?
Some of us choose to donate to local charities instead of the big national organizations with such high overhead, and high administration costs.
I give when I can, but it's local charities like Holland Rescue Mission, Mel Trotter, or God's Kitchen, not to some big national corporation, where you really have no idea how your money is being spent.

Speaking of corporate charity, just look at what your president (left) is handing out to corporations:
http://obamanomicsoutsourced.com/
How does that foot in your mouth taste?
Sassy

Grand Rapids, MI

#15 Nov 13, 2012
If you read my post, I was not talking about giving the big old check. I don't believe in giving to big charities either. However, KFB is local it is Kids Food Basket, localized here in West Michigan. Habitat for Humanity is a national organization, however I donate my time not dollars to help those around here. Not somewhere else. I also donate my time to KFB to actually make the sack dinners that some of these kids don't get. I don't give a rat's behind how their parents are. I believe kids shouldn't go hungry. I am asking the right how much TIME they actually donate to those less fortunate, not their dollars.

Just for your information, a Habitat House, the owner has to work 300 to 500 hours on the house. They also are not given the house lock stock and barrel. They get a very small interest loan.

I would not be calling that a freebie. Would you?
Gville Jim wrote:
<quoted text>Juat because someone chooses not to give the Red Cross, doesnt mean that they are not charitable people.
Generalize much?
Some of us choose to donate to local charities instead of the big national organizations with such high overhead, and high administration costs.
I give when I can, but it's local charities like Holland Rescue Mission, Mel Trotter, or God's Kitchen, not to some big national corporation, where you really have no idea how your money is being spent.
Speaking of corporate charity, just look at what your president (left) is handing out to corporations:
http://obamanomicsoutsourced.com/
How does that foot in your mouth taste?

Since: Mar 09

Grandville, MI

#16 Nov 13, 2012
Sassy wrote:
If you read my post, I was not talking about giving the big old check. I don't believe in giving to big charities either. However, KFB is local it is Kids Food Basket, localized here in West Michigan. Habitat for Humanity is a national organization, however I donate my time not dollars to help those around here. Not somewhere else. I also donate my time to KFB to actually make the sack dinners that some of these kids don't get. I don't give a rat's behind how their parents are. I believe kids shouldn't go hungry. I am asking the right how much TIME they actually donate to those less fortunate, not their dollars.
Just for your information, a Habitat House, the owner has to work 300 to 500 hours on the house. They also are not given the house lock stock and barrel. They get a very small interest loan.
I would not be calling that a freebie. Would you?
<quoted text>
Did I call it that?
I've donated a couple of times to Habitat, when they came & knocked on my door. I am aware how it works. Not sure why you say that I implied that those houses were "freebies".
Really

Holland, MI

#17 Nov 13, 2012
Sassy wrote:
If you read my post, I was not talking about giving the big old check. I don't believe in giving to big charities either. However, KFB is local it is Kids Food Basket, localized here in West Michigan. Habitat for Humanity is a national organization, however I donate my time not dollars to help those around here. Not somewhere else. I also donate my time to KFB to actually make the sack dinners that some of these kids don't get. I don't give a rat's behind how their parents are. I believe kids shouldn't go hungry. I am asking the right how much TIME they actually donate to those less fortunate, not their dollars.
Just for your information, a Habitat House, the owner has to work 300 to 500 hours on the house. They also are not given the house lock stock and barrel. They get a very small interest loan.
I would not be calling that a freebie. Would you?
<quoted text>
I suggest, if you truly want to know how much time people volunteer, that you ask them. Most of the people I know that volunteer do it anonymously. They are not willing to stand on a street corner and scream about what they do. Nor are they looking for the ever present "attaboy" from the insincere. They do it because it's the right thing to do. Perhaps if more did that, these other organizations wouldn't be needed?
skipper

Grandville, MI

#18 Nov 13, 2012
Sassy wrote:
I donate my time not dollars to help those around here. Not somewhere else. I also donate my time to KFB to actually make the sack dinners that some of these kids don't get. I don't give a rat's behind how their parents are. I believe kids shouldn't go hungry. I am asking the right how much TIME they actually donate
<quoted text>
Toot..toot..toot..toot your own horn much??
Sassy

Grand Rapids, MI

#19 Nov 14, 2012
Donate your time, and maybe you will see. Sure you will run into some greed of some of them, but some of them surely do appreciate it.

I got another suggestion. Why don't you give up a Saturday Morning and deliver for Santa Claus Girls. It is December 15th. Try it you might appreciate the poor and mentally ill more.
Gville Jim wrote:
<quoted text>Did I call it that?
I've donated a couple of times to Habitat, when they came & knocked on my door. I am aware how it works. Not sure why you say that I implied that those houses were "freebies".
Sassy

Grand Rapids, MI

#20 Nov 14, 2012
The only reason I said it was because Charity comes from the heart. It does not just come from writing a check. That is the easy part of charity. The hard part is doing and actually seeng what goes on. It might surprise you. Go on Sandy, yes you admitted it in another thread that you were Sandy,give it a try.

You think I am tooting my horn? What about the DeVos' and your buddy Pete Secchia, you know the one you had lunch with.
Really wrote:
<quoted text>I suggest, if you truly want to know how much time people volunteer, that you ask them. Most of the people I know that volunteer do it anonymously. They are not willing to stand on a street corner and scream about what they do. Nor are they looking for the ever present "attaboy" from the insincere. They do it because it's the right thing to do. Perhaps if more did that, these other organizations wouldn't be needed?

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