Who really killed the Zimmer's & Katherine Brown?

Created by Justice seeker on May 25, 2009

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The Mexican Mafia

Whoever Jeremy owed drug $

Whoever Jeremy snitched on

a jilted ex-lover of Sharm

who threatened to kill Jeremy

the one phone harassing Sharm

someone involved with Jax

Katherine's ex

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common sense

United States

#1 May 25, 2009
Too bad you're missing the correct answer....Troy boy.
i say

Flint, MI

#2 May 25, 2009
troy brake
spring

Detroit, MI

#3 May 25, 2009
Troy Brake...the only one who had access to the murder weapon that was used to commit these crimes.
Justice seeker

Barnesville, OH

#4 May 25, 2009
I think Jeremy owed a drug dealer money and these people threatened to kill him. And, when Jeremy didn't take them seriously he and his girlfriend and family were made an example of. Katherine was in the wrong place at the wrong time. No one, including Katherine's mother knew Katherine was staying over night. It was a last minute decision for her to spend the night. Katherine did not have a vehicle at the Zimmer home so a stranger or any persons passing by the house would not have known Katherine was there. If this was about drug debts that Jeremy owed then Katherine could have been torchered in from of Jeremy to make him suffer, too. Troy Brake worked all day and was not home til after 7:00 pm in Grant. Then, proven by the prosecution, Troy made a phone call at 7 something and waited for a man to come look at some tires Troy was selling on Craig's list. The man did'nt show, then Troy called again at 10:07 pm to see if the man was still coming over. These phone records were acknowledged by the prosecution as well. So, Troy couln't have been aware of Katherine's where-a-bouts that evening. And, tell me, do these actions sound like a man who would be planning anything like these murders? I will bet money on it that the prosecution has no evidence that Troy even knew Katherine Brown at all or had any type of contact or inquiry about her. If he was infatuated with her, as the prosecution wants people to believe, then there would be something on Troy's computer, I'm sure or phone connecting him to her.
whatever

United States

#5 May 25, 2009
Justice seeker wrote:
I think Jeremy owed a drug dealer money and these people threatened to kill him. And, when Jeremy didn't take them seriously he and his girlfriend and family were made an example of. Katherine was in the wrong place at the wrong time. No one, including Katherine's mother knew Katherine was staying over night. It was a last minute decision for her to spend the night. Katherine did not have a vehicle at the Zimmer home so a stranger or any persons passing by the house would not have known Katherine was there. If this was about drug debts that Jeremy owed then Katherine could have been torchered in from of Jeremy to make him suffer, too. Troy Brake worked all day and was not home til after 7:00 pm in Grant. Then, proven by the prosecution, Troy made a phone call at 7 something and waited for a man to come look at some tires Troy was selling on Craig's list. The man did'nt show, then Troy called again at 10:07 pm to see if the man was still coming over. These phone records were acknowledged by the prosecution as well. So, Troy couln't have been aware of Katherine's where-a-bouts that evening. And, tell me, do these actions sound like a man who would be planning anything like these murders? I will bet money on it that the prosecution has no evidence that Troy even knew Katherine Brown at all or had any type of contact or inquiry about her. If he was infatuated with her, as the prosecution wants people to believe, then there would be something on Troy's computer, I'm sure or phone connecting him to her.
Did anyone know if Troy had a affair with Sharm?Did he give her this statue and want it back?Was he calling Sharm all the time?Did Sharm tell him to take a hike?xxxxxxxxzDid sharm borrow money from him and not want to pay it back?See theres alot more to this that doesn't meet the eye...Or was he seeing JAX?and Jax has had a bug up her a$$ for Sharm for a while?If the bullets are a match,without resonable doubt,then explain that..
spring

Detroit, MI

#6 May 25, 2009
I still think he was the one that called Sharm that Sunday evening. she might have been the one to tell him that Katherine was there spending the night. maybe he wanted to stop over and she told him no! he has told too many lies about that night, and you cannot explain the gun, and why in the world he would alter it. he smelled of smoke alright, but it was not from being at Danny B's, or from a wood stove or burning barrel. I'm sure some of your questions will be answered this week TLS, I just don't think you are going to like what you'll hear.
Johnny5

Detroit, MI

#7 May 25, 2009
The one-armed intruder? Outside agitators? Drive-by truckers? Renegade Apaches?
Justice seeker

Barnesville, OH

#8 May 25, 2009
spring wrote:
I still think he was the one that called Sharm that Sunday evening. she might have been the one to tell him that Katherine was there spending the night. maybe he wanted to stop over and she told him no! he has told too many lies about that night, and you cannot explain the gun, and why in the world he would alter it. he smelled of smoke alright, but it was not from being at Danny B's, or from a wood stove or burning barrel. I'm sure some of your questions will be answered this week TLS, I just don't think you are going to like what you'll hear.
For my own sanity, if Troy did do this then I hope they do have the evidence to prove it. But, I dont think they will have it. Prosecution has proven many things regarding the phone regards. Many things that help the defense's case. I'm sure if Troy made any calls to Sharm or Katherine we'll hear about it. But, I know we're not gonna hear about any phone contact because I've looked over his and Tarah's phone regards myself and called some of the numbers myself to figure out who they are. And, I can say there was no harrassing phone calls to Sharm or Katherine.
The prosecutions 'free' ballistics 'expert' did not say at prelim or the trial what the prosecution wanted him to say. So, they had to find someone to pay off-I mean, someone else to PAY for to say what the prosecution wanted him to say. This is known due to the prosecutions own admittance that they had to pay for the second ballistics guy. Unfortunately, we don't have a ton of the counties tax dollars to pay off witnesses-the prosecution apparently has endless funds to work with. Bottom line-I think they are still covering their own a$$es to hide the fact that they f*cked up in not protecting snitches. Or, at the least, make the Zimmer family aware of how dangerous the situation was when dealing with pissed off drug dealers.
spring

Detroit, MI

#9 May 25, 2009
Justice seeker wrote:
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For my own sanity, if Troy did do this then I hope they do have the evidence to prove it. But, I dont think they will have it. Prosecution has proven many things regarding the phone regards. Many things that help the defense's case. I'm sure if Troy made any calls to Sharm or Katherine we'll hear about it. But, I know we're not gonna hear about any phone contact because I've looked over his and Tarah's phone regards myself and called some of the numbers myself to figure out who they are. And, I can say there was no harrassing phone calls to Sharm or Katherine.
The prosecutions 'free' ballistics 'expert' did not say at prelim or the trial what the prosecution wanted him to say. So, they had to find someone to pay off-I mean, someone else to PAY for to say what the prosecution wanted him to say. This is known due to the prosecutions own admittance that they had to pay for the second ballistics guy. Unfortunately, we don't have a ton of the counties tax dollars to pay off witnesses-the prosecution apparently has endless funds to work with. Bottom line-I think they are still covering their own **** es to hide the fact that they f*cked up in not protecting snitches. Or, at the least, make the Zimmer family aware of how dangerous the situation was when dealing with pissed off drug dealers.
I thought that was quite smart of the P.A's office to first bring out their own ballistics expert and then the one they hired. this guy really knew his stuff, and so did the expert on glok guns. they do not take bribes, they go all over the U.S. doing this. I still don't buy into this snitch thing, it was a rumor started along with so many others, when no one knew what the H happened. I guess we will have to see if they can place where the phone call came from. you have put alot of time and effort into this, I feel bad for you. I am on the other side looking in, and I wanted some solid proof. the gun used was Troys's gun.
And how long do you really think this Tarah is going to stand by him? she will for awhile, but I think she likes the attention she is getting from all of this and a free place to live.

“Cautiously optimistic”

Since: Jan 09

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#10 May 25, 2009
Are you kidding me? If this wasn't such a tragic subject...this question would be hilarious.
peace

Syracuse, NY

#11 May 25, 2009
I don't KNOW who did it, but the most logical answer (the one that the solid evidence points to, in great quantities, thus far) isn't in the available choices on this poll. At this time, I would have to say it was Troy Brake. If no hard evidence is presented to dispute this, & further incriminating evidence is presented, that will remain my opinion. Was he alone?? That could be another poll. It looks as though investigators feel he was, from what we know.
not a chance

Syracuse, NY

#12 May 25, 2009
let me see...ummm TROY BRAKE did this.
Get a clue and try to deal with the loss. If you choose to still have contact with him then you have to deal with what he has done. It will do him no good if you keep telling him you believe he is innocent.
TLS

Barnesville, OH

#13 May 25, 2009
I believe it would be impossible for Troy to have been able to drive from the station in Grant, hide his vehicle, walk to the crime scene, sneak in and somehow kill 4 people, in the dark (according to beth sproat), with no one seeing or hearing anything, in 4 different areas of the house, rape & beak Katherine all before midnight. Just IMPOSSIBLE!
SoWhat

Allendale, MI

#14 May 25, 2009
Why is Paul Troys attorney going to the Tolars house on Memorial Day looking for people to defend Troy. Give this family a break. They have been through hell & back. When I heard this I was appaled!! What kind of attorney would go to the home of the deceased sisters house on MEMORIAL DAY looking for young kids to say they were involved in the mafia, or drugs or something. A lot of class this guy has!!! I'd ask for my money back if he was my attorney!! Paul, you are sick and twisted and if you don't have any evidence buy now you arn't gonna get any!! Leave the Tolars alone!!!

“Canon35”

Since: Nov 08

Muskegon Area

#15 May 25, 2009
TLS wrote:
I believe it would be impossible for Troy to have been able to drive from the station in Grant, hide his vehicle, walk to the crime scene, sneak in and somehow kill 4 people, in the dark (according to beth sproat), with no one seeing or hearing anything, in 4 different areas of the house, rape & beak Katherine all before midnight. Just IMPOSSIBLE!
Actually I don't think he would have to hide the truck. If everybody in the area was sleeping, he could've parked it on the south side of the house. The Trouts would not be able to see it from their house. Or, he could've parked it accross the street. It is not uncommon for a vehicle to be left for a while at the church.

Also (as you keep pointing out) they were all killed before 12:00. Mrs Trout said she woke up at 12:00, so she would not have heard any screeming after waking up. All was quiet by then. If she was sick, she may not have been near a window (perhaps in the bathroom) to see him leave. It doesn't take that long to get in a truck and pull out of a driveway. This would make the 12:30 fire sight just about perfect IMO.
bunnee

Grand Rapids, MI

#16 May 25, 2009
TLS wrote:
I believe it would be impossible for Troy to have been able to drive from the station in Grant, hide his vehicle, walk to the crime scene, sneak in and somehow kill 4 people, in the dark (according to beth sproat), with no one seeing or hearing anything, in 4 different areas of the house, rape & beak Katherine all before midnight. Just IMPOSSIBLE!
Really? How long do you think it WOULD take a person with a gun to shoot three people without guns?
TLS

Barnesville, OH

#17 May 26, 2009
Canon35 wrote:
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Actually I don't think he would have to hide the truck. If everybody in the area was sleeping, he could've parked it on the south side of the house. The Trouts would not be able to see it from their house. Or, he could've parked it accross the street. It is not uncommon for a vehicle to be left for a while at the church.
Also (as you keep pointing out) they were all killed before 12:00. Mrs Trout said she woke up at 12:00, so she would not have heard any screeming after waking up. All was quiet by then. If she was sick, she may not have been near a window (perhaps in the bathroom) to see him leave. It doesn't take that long to get in a truck and pull out of a driveway. This would make the 12:30 fire sight just about perfect IMO.
This is exactly my point. They were all dead before Trout woke up. And, Troy could in no way could have accomplished all that is being claimed by the prosecution. Beth Sproat claimed to have driven by around 10:00/10:30ish pm and all was dark at the Zimmers. So, were they already dead or just sleeping?

Gotta go for now....I'll be back
TLS

Barnesville, OH

#18 May 26, 2009
bunnee wrote:
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Really? How long do you think it WOULD take a person with a gun to shoot three people without guns?
If that were all the prosecution were claiming but then its not. They are claiming that Troy raped and beat Katherine also. Do you think Katherine just stood there and waited for the killer to finish shooting everyone else? She just stood there patiently and calmly waited for the murderer to go from room to room killing everyone else? Are you serious, this was a smart girl!
Explain to me how you feel this how thing went down.
local

Flint, MI

#19 May 26, 2009
Why doesn't this suprise me,paul put down mr. trout as a posible witness then changed his mind. maybe he was worried that the finger would get pointed troy?
SoWhat wrote:
Why is Paul Troys attorney going to the Tolars house on Memorial Day looking for people to defend Troy. Give this family a break. They have been through hell & back. When I heard this I was appaled!! What kind of attorney would go to the home of the deceased sisters house on MEMORIAL DAY looking for young kids to say they were involved in the mafia, or drugs or something. A lot of class this guy has!!! I'd ask for my money back if he was my attorney!! Paul, you are sick and twisted and if you don't have any evidence buy now you arn't gonna get any!! Leave the Tolars alone!!!
Hmmm

Hudsonville, MI

#20 May 26, 2009
Troy Brake!!

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