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vox veritatis

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Apr 18, 2013
 

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Rob wrote:
Oh I see more people are killed by guns than knives. So who cares about the other ways that people die or the people themselves.
It's called 'cherry picking the data' and that have to do that because if they actually broke down the causes of death and injury and looked at them critically, you'd see that guns only account for 9% which leaves 91% of the causes of death and injury coming from other causes. BTW...being struck and falling both beat out being shot at 11% and 20% respectively. http://www.cdc.gov/injury/overview/data.html
Another little tidbit they don't tell you about that 9% gun death statistic is that gun deaths from suicide are 4 times that of gun deaths from homicide: http://www.inewsnetwork.org/posts/suicide-gun... bringing the liklihood that you are going to be shot and killed by someone else well below the liklihood of being killed by being stabbed.
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Dr X wrote:
<quoted text>The only herd I would like to see thinned is yours.
If not already, you will be on that "Mental" watch list for anyone who has or seeks to have a gun.
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vox veritatis wrote:
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Nice try, but dead wrong:
Several years back American Medical Association published a statistic stating that you were 34 more time likely to kill a household member than you were to kill an attacker.
But when they were asked about their methodology to come up with such a stat no answer was ever received and the very next year the number changed to 2.5 time more likely. Hmmmm....
One fallacy of the anti gun crowd is that they seem to believe the gun was only useful if it is used to kill someone while protecting yourself. If you just chase off a would be attacker, well, that didn't' count.,
In truth Professor Gary Kleck's research indicates that law abiding citizens stop over 2 million crimes every year using a gun. Imagine how high the crime rate would be without that.
The last four years have seen accidental firearms fatalities at an all time low while gun ownership is at an all time high.
Which statistic do you think is more likely?
A study claiming "guns more likely to kill you than help you" is a total fraud. The author of this study, Dr. Arthur Kellerman, refused to release the data behind his conclusions for years because they were completely flawed.
Researcher Don Kates reveals that all available data now indicates that the "home gun homicide victims [in Kellerman’s study] were killed using guns not kept in the victim’s home." In other words, the victims were NOT murdered with their own guns! They were killed "by intruders who brought their own guns to the victim’s household."
And nice try to you Mr. Know-it-all. Where you been with that big nose of yours big guy? theBlaze? or NRA propaganda? I ask because all of the shit you just posted criticizing Kellerman and others can be found there.

http://www.minnpost.com/second-opinion/2012/1...

Here's just the conclusion in Hemenway's studies. A link to his full report summarizing the scientific literature on the health risks and benefits of having a gun in the home for the gun owner and his/her family. is provided below for your perusal and edification.

Vox you definitely fall into the IMAGINARY SITUATION cited below when it might be beneficial to have a gun in the home.

Hemenway: Real risks

“There are real and imaginary situations when it might be beneficial to have a gun in the home,” Hemenway concludes.“For example, in the Australian film Mad Max, where survivors of the apocalypse seem to have been predominantly psychopathic male bikers, having a loaded gun would seem to be very helpful for survival, and public health experts would probably advise people in that world to obtain guns.”

“However, for most contemporary Americans, the scientific studies suggest that the health risk of a gun in the home is greater than the benefit,” he adds.“There are no credible studies that indicate otherwise.”

Hemenway’s review appeared in the American Journal of Lifestyle Medicine and can be read in full online.

Risks and Benefits of a Gun in the Home

http://ajl.sagepub.com/content/5/6/502
vox veritatis

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Apr 18, 2013
 
pipedream wrote:
Where you been with that big nose of yours big guy?
Awww...you missed me. I'm touched. LOL
Unlike some of you losers on Topix, I have a life and it doesn't revolve around trading crude words with self-important, paranoid, delusional dorks such as yourself. I just happen to find it amusing to poke the rats with a stick to see how they react.
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Apr 18, 2013
 
pipedream wrote:
“However, for most contemporary Americans, the scientific studies suggest that the health risk of a gun in the home is greater than the benefit,”
A) he doesn't break out how many are killed in their homes with guns via suicide

B) he doesn't break out how many are killed in their homes by intrudes with guns (who brought the gun into the home), versus those killed with their own gun.

Utter. Fail.

But since you're so frightened of guns and clearly not mentally stable, I'd highly suggest you not have one in your home.

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Apr 18, 2013
 
Pipedream Qouted
“However, for most contemporary Americans, the scientific studies suggest that the health risk of a gun in the home is greater than the benefit,” he adds.“There are no credible studies that indicate otherwise.”

Spoken like a true anti gun nut.

I have never had to use any of my guns for self defense, though I know how to use them if the need arises, always prepared. I am like the vast majority of gun owners I would surmise that we know how to take care of them use and or store them. I got my first gun when I was eight yes it was mine a birthday present we always had guns there was never and issue and again like the majority I am sure there is never a problem. Its these rare few incidence that hold peoples emotions. This Hemenway sounds like a real moron who never really studied anything just formed and opinion.

I see the underlying issue "health risk" that is really what its about. I see they have not banned cigarettes yet and we know these things kill and have killed many more people than guns, excluding wars of course. Do you know that around the world close two 200,000 people die everyday in various ways. This notion of background checks registration out and out bans will never ever save one life it is a false analogy..

And here is another thing I would bet never gets reported again I surmise that a lot of people use gund daily to defend or thwart some criminal and never report it I surly would not unless I killed the offender who needs the trouble??
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Apr 18, 2013
 
Shoeless Eluder wrote:
Pipedream Qouted
“However, for most contemporary Americans, the scientific studies suggest that the health risk of a gun in the home is greater than the benefit,” he adds.“There are no credible studies that indicate otherwise.”
Spoken like a true anti gun nut.
I have never had to use any of my guns for self defense, though I know how to use them if the need arises, always prepared. I am like the vast majority of gun owners I would surmise that we know how to take care of them use and or store them. I got my first gun when I was eight yes it was mine a birthday present we always had guns there was never and issue and again like the majority I am sure there is never a problem. Its these rare few incidence that hold peoples emotions. This Hemenway sounds like a real moron who never really studied anything just formed and opinion.
I see the underlying issue "health risk" that is really what its about. I see they have not banned cigarettes yet and we know these things kill and have killed many more people than guns, excluding wars of course. Do you know that around the world close two 200,000 people die everyday in various ways. This notion of background checks registration out and out bans will never ever save one life it is a false analogy..
And here is another thing I would bet never gets reported again I surmise that a lot of people use gund daily to defend or thwart some criminal and never report it I surly would not unless I killed the offender who needs the trouble??
The facts are that if you have a gun in your home, you are more likely to be killed or injured by it, either by yourself or by an acquaintance or a family member than you are by an intruder. In other words the risks of having a firearm in your home for self-protection or thwarting a crime far outweigh any benefits in terms of self-protection or thwarting crime or any of the other crazy reasons the NRA says to make you think you are better off with 1 or 25 guns in your house. If you're too dumb to understand or accept this, you probably shouldn't own or have access to a firearm. Its really as simple as that.
Rob

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Apr 18, 2013
 
pipedream wrote:
<quoted text>The facts are that if you have a gun in your home, you are more likely to be killed or injured by it, either by yourself or by an acquaintance or a family member than you are by an intruder. In other words the risks of having a firearm in your home for self-protection or thwarting a crime far outweigh any benefits in terms of self-protection or thwarting crime or any of the other crazy reasons the NRA says to make you think you are better off with 1 or 25 guns in your house. If you're too dumb to understand or accept this, you probably shouldn't own or have access to a firearm. Its really as simple as that.
Your explanation shows it is good you don't have a gun. If a killer is in your home and you don't have a gun to defend yourself the statistics show you are likely to be killed pothead.

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Apr 18, 2013
 
pipedream wrote:
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The facts are that if you have a gun in your home, you are more likely to be killed or injured by it, either by yourself or by an acquaintance or a family member than you are by an intruder. In other words the risks of having a firearm in your home for self-protection or thwarting a crime far outweigh any benefits in terms of self-protection or thwarting crime or any of the other crazy reasons the NRA says to make you think you are better off with 1 or 25 guns in your house. If you're too dumb to understand or accept this, you probably shouldn't own or have access to a firearm. Its really as simple as that.
Nothing else to say but BS that is not a fact its a fallacy.
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Its a fallacy only in your pinhead Shoeless. Like I said if you're too stupid to understand or accept it then you're probably too stupid to own or have access to firearms and to have those firearms in your household. A special kind of stupid like you are is no excuse.

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Apr 18, 2013
 
We get to keep our guns, HaHaHa! A victory for free Americans!

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Apr 19, 2013
 
pipedream wrote:
Its a fallacy only in your pinhead Shoeless. Like I said if you're too stupid to understand or accept it then you're probably too stupid to own or have access to firearms and to have those firearms in your household. A special kind of stupid like you are is no excuse.
Typical you lash out at someone who is trying at least be civil with you and you make statements like "your stupid" what are like 12? This study or whatever it is, is hogwash. Apparently you didn't read where I said I have had guns my whole life 57 years now and not one incident and oh yeah I know a lot of gun owners who have owned guns their whole lives and not one incident. Nuff said go back to your pipe and dream.
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Apr 19, 2013
 
Living Large2 wrote:
We get to keep our guns, HaHaHa! A victory for free Americans!
Not only do we get to keep our guns....... The fanatics made sure that nothing has been done to take care of who the NRA blamed for all of this.

We have to make sure to blame Obama when the next fruitcake opens up with his assault rifle!
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Apr 19, 2013
 
Bob wrote:
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Not only do we get to keep our guns....... The fanatics made sure that nothing has been done to take care of who the NRA blamed for all of this.
We have to make sure to blame Obama when the next fruitcake opens up with his assault rifle!
Blame anyone you want as long as it's not responsible legal gun owners.

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