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Jun 19, 2009
 
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Oh and another thing,What do you think these companies will go broke for allowing the handicap in?Gee there not causing the electric or any other utilty to go up because there not using any thing from that company.I think I'd like to Sue the Pants off just for the heck of the bad ways they treat these people.It does'nt matter if there a vet or just a human being with challenges.
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Where's the ACLU when you REALLY need them?

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Handicap People have Rights!!!Why should they pay full price to breath the air that is a GOD Given Right?
They should have to pay because they don't own the land. My yard has GOD gave us but you can't come on my property just because you feel you have a right to.

If they start letting people in for one reason or another because they can't or don't want to ride the rides where do they draw the line? A cardiac patient, a bad back, a wheelchair? Grandpa wants to bring little Suzie and will demand to be let in for free next. It's a family gathering place as well as rides. If you choose to gather you need to pay.

If you don't agree with how Michigan Adventure is being run come up with the cash and either buy it or build your own and then run it anyway you see fit.
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If you don't agree with how Michigan Adventure is being run come up with the cash and either buy it or build your own and then run it anyway you see fit.
Alternately, they could boycott and organize protests. It's the American way.

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Alternately, they could boycott and organize protests. It's the American way.
But then they would be considered "terrorists" ..

“Go Red Wings!!!”

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I have some friends who are "disabled." They don't want special treatment, they want to be accepted and treated like everyone else. When you ask for special treatment where do you draw the line. I thank this man for his service, but why should he get free admission when my disabled friends don't?
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Hmmm .. your neighbor ... in the GRPress she states they "were not looking for a free ride", however, they did not hesitate to run it up the flag pole with the media ... it is regrettable that he sustained these injuries, but so did tens of thousands of other veterans ... I can't help but wonder why they decided to pack up this severely disabled veteran, drive him from Middleville to Michigan Adventure (about 70+ miles one way??), his nurse and whatever medical equipment must accompany him, for the possibility of spending 1 hour with his fiance? Remember now, his fiance went to Michigan Adventure accompanying their niece on her school outing and was headed to Reed City for the graduation of Josh's brother after the outing. Heather's dad drove from Muskegon to Middlevile area to pick up Josh and the nurse, then back to Michigan Adventure. Story does not state if Josh was also going to Reed City or not.
It is obvious that Heather and her dad "assumed" he and the nurse would be allowed in free at Michigan Adventure to visit with Heather during her one hour lag time before she left for Reed City. She lives with Josh in his new home so it is not like they do not see each other often enough.
I think we are going to see more "stuff" about Josh as Heather decides to take on other businesses and their admission fee policies.
Over 50 - My dad did us a huge favor by going to get him after his treatments were complete to bring him out to me where I promised my niece I would chaperone for her school outing at Michigan's Adventure. His schedule was busy and the only time it worked for him was to drop Josh off about one hour before we actually needed to leave the location. Josh obviously was going to his youngest brother's graduation (not step-brother like the article said), and THAT is why he needed to meet-up with me, given the circumstances. It wasn't worth paying $50 for him and nurse to enter for the last hour so we decided to leave early instead. I left it at that but my sister is a huge advocate for the permanently disabled and felt this situation was really wrong. After speaking with several others, we found other people who were treated very poorly over the same requests and took it to higher management where they, too, treated them like crap. In fact, Miss Camille even told that couple to "go ahead, do something". The fact isn't that it happened to J-O-S-H, the fact is it happens ALL THE TIME! Handicapped parking places began because someone dared to stand-up against policies. Everyone in a wheelchair can now access any public building BECAUSE OF THE LAW. Consider the people who complained whiners, and consider the law being too controlling over businesses... but when you're sitting in a chair, you want the same advantages as those who are not. If Michigan's Adventure can provide pools and water for children under 2 and let them in for free, why can't they at least give handicapped persons a discount... or at least provide them with even ONE ride? Disney World has several rides... other theme parks have discounts. Give him a red wrist band as a "viewer's pass" where he cannot ride the rides, and every other person a white wrist band who is. For those who are claiming to be incapable of riding, give them the discounted price and give them a red wrist band too! There are so many options where they can still make PLENTY of money and everybody is happy. Secondly, they need to learn the sense of customer service. If they had that to begin with, I'm sure none of this would be going on...
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Oh, when I say "rides at Disney World", I'm referring to rides where people in wheelchairs can actually drive their OWN wheelchair on and enjoy the ride.

And by the way, he was with people having NO problem paying full price - including me. We're not looking for "freebies", we're just looking for what's right.
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Bobbiez wrote:
I have some friends who are "disabled." They don't want special treatment, they want to be accepted and treated like everyone else. When you ask for special treatment where do you draw the line. I thank this man for his service, but why should he get free admission when my disabled friends don't?
That is exactly the point! He shouldn't receive any more special treatment than them. This issue was put out-there in regards to ALL disabled persons. The story was very misleading, I know... but that was not the intentions. Please understand that this is an issue simply because a handicapped person who is physically incapable of riding any rides simply CANNOT and WILL NOT ride a ride. Therefore, why pay the entire full price? When you go out to eat with others and don't eat anything, do they expect you to pay for using their chair? Absolutely not! Anybody would be outraged by THAT, so what's so different about this? You think it doesn't break his heart he can't ride this rides? Enjoy the things he used to? How about the millions of others who are faced with the same disabilities, or of the like? We're not fighting FOR JOSH. We're fighting FOR ALL DISABLED PERSONS. We're fighting for what's right. By "fighting", I don't mean suing, I don't mean attacking, I simply mean bringing the issue to the surface and allowing people to be aware of the system we feel is flawed. It is our opinion, and I know many people agree. For those who don't, that's ok - that's your right. Thank the lord (and all veterans) we all have that right! However, if something is wrong in our eyes, we're going to speak-up. To sit back and do nothing to fix it would be a slap in the face of every person who deserves this right.

“friends are forever”

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Heather wrote:
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That is exactly the point! He shouldn't receive any more special treatment than them. This issue was put out-there in regards to ALL disabled persons. The story was very misleading, I know... but that was not the intentions. Please understand that this is an issue simply because a handicapped person who is physically incapable of riding any rides simply CANNOT and WILL NOT ride a ride. Therefore, why pay the entire full price? When you go out to eat with others and don't eat anything, do they expect you to pay for using their chair? Absolutely not! Anybody would be outraged by THAT, so what's so different about this? You think it doesn't break his heart he can't ride this rides? Enjoy the things he used to? How about the millions of others who are faced with the same disabilities, or of the like? We're not fighting FOR JOSH. We're fighting FOR ALL DISABLED PERSONS. We're fighting for what's right. By "fighting", I don't mean suing, I don't mean attacking, I simply mean bringing the issue to the surface and allowing people to be aware of the system we feel is flawed. It is our opinion, and I know many people agree. For those who don't, that's ok - that's your right. Thank the lord (and all veterans) we all have that right! However, if something is wrong in our eyes, we're going to speak-up. To sit back and do nothing to fix it would be a slap in the face of every person who deserves this right.
I quite agree with you Heather. I think if they would let the disabled in free it would boost their business. How? Because more people would come with their families knowing they could all enjoy the time together without having to pay that extra money. When a person is severely disabled, they are cheated out of many joys in life. Many just enjoy watching their family & friends enjoying whatever they can. The disabled are already burdened with expenses that the normal person doesn't have so how can they be expected to pay for something they can't/aren't able to do? Too bad Michigan Adventure doesn't realize what good they would be doing for the disabled & themselves!!
Also, I've heard so many wonderful things about you, Heather, & wanted you to know that many people admire you. I know that you only want what is best for Josh. Keep on keeping on!
Keeping you both in my prayers!! May God continue to bless you & your mission!:^)
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Disappointed wrote:
Your poilcy is discriminatory and DISGUSTING.
I don't agree with you. If they had treated him differently that would have been discrimination. They treated him just like everyone else, and you're still complaining.

Many people in the community love and care about him. Many people have given to try to make his life easier since his injuries, and hopefully will continue to give. In my opinion, your vendetta against the park is harming his reputation. You threw a tantrum and got the media involved over $40.00?? Doesn't he have far more serious issues than a one day park admission? You stated that he can't talk. I wonder what he would say about this if he could.
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They really don't let "non-eaters" just sit at an all-you-can-eat buffet. Why everyone appreciates the service, it's more than just the air. Do they charge blind folks for going to the theatre, they can't see the show, but there are other aspects of the show to be appreciated as well as theme parks. It would be very difficult for the theme park to differentiate patrons use and appreciation. No one wants to say anything much contrary as he served his country with valor and bravery, however the wheelchair does take space equally as a standing non-riding patron.

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Heather wrote:
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Thank the lord (and all veterans) we all have that right! However, if something is wrong in our eyes, we're going to speak-up. To sit back and do nothing to fix it would be a slap in the face of every person who deserves this right.
I am a veteran and was in and out of the military after serving almost 10 years and also a combat veteran before you or Josh were even a twinkle in your father's eyes ... however, I do not look for special treatment in any way.
The policies of any business are just that .. their policy and their right within the confines of the law. You are trying to force them to change their admission policy because of your incident ... where have you been on this policy before it affected you personally?
You got your free house that you share with your non-husband and your free lawn and bunches of other free stuff.
Sometimes it is wiser to know when to stop looking at the teeth of the gift horse.
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I am a veteran and was in and out of the military after serving almost 10 years and also a combat veteran before you or Josh were even a twinkle in your father's eyes ... however, I do not look for special treatment in any way.
The policies of any business are just that .. their policy and their right within the confines of the law. You are trying to force them to change their admission policy because of your incident ... where have you been on this policy before it affected you personally?
You got your free house that you share with your non-husband and your free lawn and bunches of other free stuff.
Sometimes it is wiser to know when to stop looking at the teeth of the gift horse.
I was referring to people with severe disabilities that makes it so they are incapable of enjoying the rides in which they provide. I'm not looking for a freebie...I have absolutely no issues paying for anybody who is capable of riding. I have no issues paying a SEPARATE sort of fee for someone who is NOT capable of riding. This goes for everybody! I'm not comfortable knowing others enter this park in Josh's condition and pay full price.

And yes, we were given a beautiful home with a beautiful new lawn... all of which we never asked for. It just so happens someone saw a wounded vet in need and took it upon themselves to make a difference. We just so happened to find out the hard way what kind of screwed up policies are out there... and we're deciding to make a difference. We're grateful for everything we've received... and we never take any of it for granted. We have been blessed in so many ways and in turn try to do the same for others. We smile everyday at our happiness in our new home and thank the people who made it possible nearly every day. If everyone went out of their way for others, I'm sure we'd see a lot more smiling faces and a lot less negative comments, such as yours.

“Just be you. ”

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Heather wrote:
<quoted text> To sit back and do nothing to fix it would be a slap in the face of every person who deserves this right.
Ok...exactly what do you want changed?

What rights are you talking about?

This is an AMUSEMENT PARK. Full of rides and water slides. And you want disabled people to be allowed to enter for free...to do WHAT?

So he can sit there and watch, while everyone is going on rides. While he just sits in his chair? Sounds like pure torture to me.

If you are going to pick a battle for your loved one...why this one?
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Jun 19, 2009
 
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I am disabled and cannot ride most of their attractions with my kids....
They lost my business when their smoking police told me I had to walk all the way to the other side of the park to smoke.(Walking on concrete does wonders for back injuries!!!)
I guess the kids will have to wait til they are old enough to drop them off and pick them up at the end of the day.
Lost to them are the price of 3 visits a year times at least 3 people. Plus my childrens friends who I would have broughten with me!
Oh Well
When employees treat customers like dog dirt then they deserve to lose!
Last year I actually saved money by taking my kids to the midway at the Muskegon Summer Celebration instead and they had just as much fun!
File a complaint here!
www.ada.gov
Thats soo sad.. I would go yell at the people there..But i am only 15 who would listen to me..

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Michigan Adventure is a small park by comparison. If they start giving discounts to people who don't ride rides but are just accompanying others how do you know that's not going to lead them to going out of business?

Is that worth it?

In my hometown a resaurant was forced out of business because the building was not wheelchair accessable and it was too small to pay for a remodel. They were forced to close because someone in a wheelchair decided that if they couldn't eat there no one should eat there.

Voluntarily going to an amusment park isn't the same as needing a close parking spot or to be able to get in and out of the grocery store or public bathroom.
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Why does this family want to drag this business through the mud like this? Michigans Adventure has done nothing illegal. My sister is in a wheelchair. We went to watch a friends kid in the marching band at a football game. We paid full admission for all of us. It never entered our thoughts to ask about any sort of discount. At that time the school had no special seating for wheelchair bound people and my sister missed a good portion of the performance. Yes it was dissapointing to all of us but did we blame the school? no. Did we ask for her money back? no. Did we call the media and embarrass my sister and possibly a whole school community? no. We did talk amongst ourselves that special seating would be great for disabled family members of the team or band (they have it now). But at what cost (in this case taxpayers)?
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Jun 19, 2009
 
OOps! I meant to say in my case. not this case.
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Heather wrote:
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I was referring to people with severe disabilities that makes it so they are incapable of enjoying the rides in which they provide. I'm not looking for a freebie...I have absolutely no issues paying for anybody who is capable of riding. I have no issues paying a SEPARATE sort of fee for someone who is NOT capable of riding. This goes for everybody! I'm not comfortable knowing others enter this park in Josh's condition and pay full price.
And yes, we were given a beautiful home with a beautiful new lawn... all of which we never asked for. It just so happens someone saw a wounded vet in need and took it upon themselves to make a difference. We just so happened to find out the hard way what kind of screwed up policies are out there... and we're deciding to make a difference. We're grateful for everything we've received... and we never take any of it for granted. We have been blessed in so many ways and in turn try to do the same for others. We smile everyday at our happiness in our new home and thank the people who made it possible nearly every day. If everyone went out of their way for others, I'm sure we'd see a lot more smiling faces and a lot less negative comments, such as yours.
Heather I agree with you whole heartly.This place has discrimated against the handicap for years.I can't tell you how many times I had to pay fpr myself and handicap son to be there with the rest of our family.It's not right,he doesn't use anything in there at all.They should accomadate all people with handicap's and there care givers.Some day this will come to light,just wait and see.Your right these people have been in the dark for many years and it's about time they should be able to see the light.God see's everything and they will all be accounted for their actions.God Bless you both.Just GREED in this Company.
Handicap Rights

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Ok...exactly what do you want changed?
What rights are you talking about?
This is an AMUSEMENT PARK. Full of rides and water slides. And you want disabled people to be allowed to enter for free...to do WHAT?
So he can sit there and watch, while everyone is going on rides. While he just sits in his chair? Sounds like pure torture to me.
If you are going to pick a battle for your loved one...why this one?
To watch others enjoying there selfs..Does that need to cost?Ask GOD.

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