Mother of teen who hit teacher asks f...

Mother of teen who hit teacher asks for help

There are 115 comments on the WOOD-TV Grand Rapids and Michigan story from Sep 7, 2008, titled Mother of teen who hit teacher asks for help. In it, WOOD-TV Grand Rapids and Michigan reports that:

The mother of a teenager who assaulted his teachers is asking for help tonight, saying her son needs mental help instead of incarceration.

Join the discussion below, or Read more at WOOD-TV Grand Rapids and Michigan.

We need a nice Alcatraz

Loveland, CO

#21 Sep 7, 2008
My cousins have mental healh issues and should be in a permanent institution where they can be productive. Not living on the streets or in a half way house and a gaurdian. When they misbehave, like drink too much, they are kicked out for a couple of weeks. This system just doesn't work.

There are so many uses for people. The only thing my cousins can function about is pets. One of them while he was holding down a job took in all of the neighborhood cats and had them all neutered. He fed them and gave them shelter until he went bank rupt and crazy again.

I say we should create beautiful facilities on farms with animals for them to tend to and something to be productive about.

Many of these people are a result of brain damage due to lead exposure from crumbling paint in their homes growing up. These type are irrational and often violent. It is sad.

Others are children of parents who went crazy from parents irrational behaviors from difficult lives such as being a soldier. It could be generational.

Since: Jul 08

Jenison

#22 Sep 7, 2008
I had a chance to recently visit Battle Creek VA health center. In front of the health center, there were a group of young boys in what appeared to be band practice. However, upon my comment about that, my husband replied that those boys were in boot camp due to bad behavior and they were sent there. Maybe this is what this child needs. It appears he cannot get help from the state or anyone else and he's become more than the mother can handle. Maybe if he was sent somewhere to learn how to deal with others and respect others maybe he would grow to be a respectable citizen.

Instead of pleading for help through the media, the mother should speak to the judge and in the meantime call and see what type of boot camps are available for her son. I would be doing it if my child showed behavior as such.
GCasper

Littleton, CO

#23 Sep 7, 2008
ya he needs help were both vicums of our enviorment
momof4

Grand Rapids, MI

#24 Sep 7, 2008
I REALLY FEEL FOR YOU. GOOD LUCK.
good luck

Flushing, MI

#25 Sep 7, 2008
My heart goes out to this mom. I know all to well what it is like to WANT to get help for your emotionally impaired child and feel like nobody wants to help. I have a 12 year old that is currently in a residential treatment facility because of situations not even near as dangerous as this situation. I had to fight and fight and basically create a paper trail in order for him to get the extensive help he needs. I live in Kent County so I am sure the system is different. For those people out there saying beat him or just lock him up, you have NO clue what it is like to have a child like this. Everyday is a struggle and no matter what he is a CHILD. Yes counseling for both the child and parent is a good thing, but if she is anything like me that is something she has been doing all along and sometimes it just does not work!!! Unless you live it yourself you will never understand the heartache this type of thing can create! I sure hope that this kid gets the help that he needs and doesn't get lost in the system and sits in Juvi...which believe me, I know from my son's experience is NOT the place for an EI child to be!!! Good luck hon, I really hope that things work out for you. My prayers are with you
Sandy

Wyoming, MI

#26 Sep 7, 2008
This mother has clearly tried for 6 years to get help for her son. It's time someone takes responsibility that this incident occurred because of not caring enough about the needs of this boy. Shame! Shame!
good luck

Flushing, MI

#27 Sep 7, 2008
have you ever checked into the cost of a bootcamp for a child? I have and they are EXTREMELY expensive and a lot of them do not accept EI kids. I am sure this mom has done everything she knows how to get her child help!!! Stop judging a situation you know nothing about!
Ha Ha

Allegan, MI

#28 Sep 7, 2008
Wasted wrote:
ya counseling? at the tax payers expense! Sounds like the parents need to beat his little ****!
Old skool leather counseling! Gotta love it! Thats whats wrong with these kids nowadays. Whoopins sure will stop a lot of this crap. This wanting to medicate and negotiate with these bad kids got it all wrong. We didnt even think about throwing gas on our parents because we knew what the consequences were. You got the living crap beat out of you till your parents got tired!!!!

I'm sorry there is not one kid in the world thats going to run me. It my house, my rules or the consequences.

I dont have that problem with mine. I had one tell me they were going to call the police on me. I said fine but when I get out of jail I'm beating you down again! That stopped a lot of the crap from that day on!

Don't get me wrong. I'm not advocating abuse. There is a difference between discipline and abuse. The letter of the law is screwed up and doesn't know the difference.
candmallegan

East Syracuse, NY

#29 Sep 7, 2008
Wasted wrote:
ya counseling? at the tax payers expense! Sounds like the parents need to beat his little ****!
Can't agree with you more. His emotional problems probably stem from a lack of discipline. Thanks to our government it's difficult to discipline children. Our kids don't get punished for their wrong doings any more.
krisofl

United States

#30 Sep 7, 2008
I understand her frustration in dealing with a mentally ill person. My question is, did her son have a mri done to see if there is any chemical imbalance in his brain? No medication will help with chemical imbalanced brain. I have dealt with this issue since birth, with a family member. I have seen 5 minute appts with doctors/patients at mental haealth. What the heck? 5 minutes and the doctor knows all? No. Ionia and Montcalm mental health facilities are totally inadequate. Jail will never help a mentally ill person. She needs to petition the courts to have her son placed in a psych ward.
good luck

Flushing, MI

#31 Sep 7, 2008
The people that think that beating an EI child are clearly clueless about the reality of having an EI child! His emotional problems do not stem from lack of discipline at all...it is an illness...not different than having a physical disease..would you beat a child because he was throwing up after receiving his chemo because he has cancer? NO DIFFERENT!! How is beating this kid going to solve anything? Yeah thats the answer beat the crap out of him and then tell him not to hit other people.
With an EI child you have to use alternative ways to discipline a child and there are many times that it just does not work at all. I have tried EVERYTHING with my EI child and have spent years and years in counseling and begging for him to get the help he needed. So unless you have an EI child and know first hand what is it like to deal with this, stop giving stupid advice that is SO not the way to handle this type of kid.
Abby Normal

United States

#32 Sep 7, 2008
Yes - I'm sure the poor little guy is just misunderstood.:(
Sounds like the help he needs begins with a good a s s kickin.
Do not give up

Deerfield, IL

#33 Sep 7, 2008
My thoughts are with Mrs. Marquez. It has to be so hard for her to not be able to get her son the help that he really needs. I urge her not to give up, something has to work. If she cannot get the help that she needs from her home town then I would like to urge her to start looking elsewhere. Search the internet if that is possible. Look into a support group, often times you will be able to find a parent that is going through the same thing and they may be able to help you. There is a place here in Michigan called Star Common Wealth. They work woth E.I. students. That might be a place to look into for your son. Often times you need a judge to basically sentence your child to a facility like this but it is worth looking into. I have worked in a segregated school for students with emotional imparments and I know how hard it is. However I also know how great the kids are in that kind of population. They are not mean or nasty kids they are just not able to voice their frustrations in an appropriate manner and that is basically why they are in the school they are in. Most of them are able to learn how to deal with their issues correctly and do grow up to be great people in society. There are always the few that fall through the cracks and that is always sad to see. I wish you the best of luck in finding the correct help for your son. Do not give up! Try begging the judge for help, they should have some ideas! I hope that you are able to find the true place for your son. Don't allow him to be left behind. If it's not good enough for you keep looking!
Do not give up

Deerfield, IL

#34 Sep 7, 2008
Abby Normal wrote:
Yes - I'm sure the poor little guy is just misunderstood.:(
Sounds like the help he needs begins with a good a s s kickin.


I would strongly suggest that you actually educate yourself about EI children before you make comments! Why don't you try to work with them in the school setting! Besides most of these children be it 5 or 18 years old could kick you a** any day of the week. They are not bad kids they just can't and I do mean CAN'T control thier outbursts! If you had any clue about EI you would know this!
treble

Deerfield, IL

#35 Sep 7, 2008
This is the second story like this in the last couple of months. All I have to say is, thank you liberal democrats for closing down all the homes for the mentally impared who are dangerous. Way to go.
Look Closer

Riverside, CA

#36 Sep 7, 2008
Whos That wrote:
Um he tried to set you on fire with gasoline? and you think he doesnt know what hes doing??????????
Where do you see the word 'gasoline' in the story?
Mom of Chris

Redwood City, CA

#37 Sep 7, 2008
Mrs. Marquez,
I just recently went through a problem like this with my child here in Kent County and I am so sorry that you are going through it. My son is still sitting in the jail waiting to get a pshych. evaluation done to properly diagnose him. The sad thing is that I dealt with mental health for over 12 years trying to get him the proper help only to have them try and medicate him and forget about it.
It does not work, neither does spanking a child with these issues.You are correct in saying that your child needs mental help and you should figt tooth and nail to get him the help he needs.
It is about time that the mental health agencies in Michigan started caring for the children with mental health issues.
On any given day here in Kent County you can walk into Network 180 and what do you see? A bunch of adults who are using drugs or alcohol getting the help they need but the kids are left behind to fend for themselves. I figure children are our future and I would rather help a child that has mental health issues rather than an adult who chooses to abuse drugs or alcohol.These kids did not make the choice to have these problems.
My prayers will be with you and your family as you are dealing with this.Good luck!!!
mee

Zeeland, MI

#38 Sep 7, 2008
Ha Ha wrote:
<quoted text>
Old skool leather counseling! Gotta love it! Thats whats wrong with these kids nowadays. Whoopins sure will stop a lot of this crap. This wanting to medicate and negotiate with these bad kids got it all wrong. We didnt even think about throwing gas on our parents because we knew what the consequences were. You got the living crap beat out of you till your parents got tired!!!!
I'm sorry there is not one kid in the world thats going to run me. It my house, my rules or the consequences.
I dont have that problem with mine. I had one tell me they were going to call the police on me. I said fine but when I get out of jail I'm beating you down again! That stopped a lot of the crap from that day on!
Don't get me wrong. I'm not advocating abuse. There is a difference between discipline and abuse. The letter of the law is screwed up and doesn't know the difference.
I'm sure your kids really respect you-at least to your face. Hopefully they will end the cycle of violence with their own children someday. Beating a child is no way to teach discipline or respect. It just fosters anger and resentment. Teach a child to not hit by hitting them? How is that rational?
Abby Normal

United States

#39 Sep 7, 2008
mee wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm sure your kids really respect you-at least to your face. Hopefully they will end the cycle of violence with their own children someday. Beating a child is no way to teach discipline or respect. It just fosters anger and resentment. Teach a child to not hit by hitting them? How is that rational?
Apparently this child could teach us "how to hit"
janet

United States

#40 Sep 7, 2008
I feel for this Mom and all those out there in the same boat. The system is flawed, it serves itself at the expence of these children in desparate need of help. We the taxpayers and citizens pay too. The failures end up on the news with victims. then we pay to incarcerate these kids. FAILUE FAILURE of the entire system.

WE ALL PAY FOR THIS FAILURE

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