Mother of teen who hit teacher asks f...

Mother of teen who hit teacher asks for help

There are 115 comments on the WOOD-TV Grand Rapids and Michigan story from Sep 7, 2008, titled Mother of teen who hit teacher asks for help. In it, WOOD-TV Grand Rapids and Michigan reports that:

The mother of a teenager who assaulted his teachers is asking for help tonight, saying her son needs mental help instead of incarceration.

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maggiesmom

Grand Rapids, MI

#1 Sep 7, 2008
Perhaps incarceration at a work camp or similar high structure program will help this child with bad behaviors. This may seem extreme, but this sound like a tough child to deal with. Drugs alone will not change a pattern of behavior.
Whos That

United States

#2 Sep 7, 2008
Um he tried to set you on fire with gasoline? and you think he doesnt know what hes doing??????????
banana

Denver, CO

#3 Sep 7, 2008
My advise, take out a loan -If necessary,- so that you can hire a good attorney that can advocate for you child and you.

From experience I can tell you that you probably wont make it through on your own.(Just look at where you are now).

Ask the lawyer for help getting good mental evaluations, and treatment options. If you don't know what the problem is you cant treat it.

Throwing meds or programs at your child wont help -if they aren't treating the problem as opposed to the symptoms.

It is kinda like seeing a hungry lion and throwing a head of lettuce at it.....
Anonymous

AOL

#4 Sep 7, 2008
Can we get some f.......... help for this woman?!?!????
Where do people go when they are in need of some mental health treatment? Did Michigan do away with that program too?????? THIS IS SAD !! Someone step up and help guide this woman to a facility to get her son some treatment.

Since: Jun 08

Salt Lake City, UT

#5 Sep 7, 2008
If he got off with no punishment I think he would do it, or something worse again. If the only way for the people around him to be safe is to remove him from society then it needs to be done. If there is a better place for him then jail then that's great, but if not, we can't just let him hurt people.

Since: Jul 07

Grandville, MI

#6 Sep 7, 2008
maggiesmom wrote:
Perhaps incarceration at a work camp or similar high structure program will help this child with bad behaviors. This may seem extreme, but this sound like a tough child to deal with. Drugs alone will not change a pattern of behavior.
Your right drugs alone will not help this child but a combination of a structured environment & the drugs might. But putting an emotionally impaired child into a jail or a detention center is most definitely not going to help. It sounds like this mom has been begging for help It doesn't help that Montcalm Behavioral Health is a joke. most of their employees are only there because they have to work there for a period of time in exchange for schooling. They put there time in & move on to paying jobs in bigger towns.
I truly hope her son gets the help he needs. I know there are many institutions over in the area hes at now, including bay city medical that treats teens. He should have been placed there instead of correctional facility.
Bryan

Allegan, MI

#7 Sep 7, 2008
i say lock him down in a mental institution before he kills someone,then the family will be saying i told you so. but no in todays world the way to fixing a child is give them a pill and come back to see the doc in 30 days.this is a child with mental problems and the system just is not working for him . so i hate to say this about the young man lock him up and use a lot of counseling on him.
Wasted

Alto, MI

#8 Sep 7, 2008
ya counseling? at the tax payers expense! Sounds like the parents need to beat his little ass!
Mom of Seven

Greenville, MI

#9 Sep 7, 2008
I feel for him and his family, but for Gods sake- he threw gas on his mother and tried to burn her alive! He hit someone with a board with nails sticking out of it!

The public needs to be protected from this kid.
John M

Rockford, MI

#10 Sep 7, 2008
The system will fail this kid and he will do something that truly victimizes someone then everyone wil be like they should have done something. I find it hard to believe that incarcerating him in a mental health care facility could cost anymore than putting him in a prison cell for the rest of his life.

Since: Jul 07

Grandville, MI

#11 Sep 7, 2008
Wasted wrote:
ya counseling? at the tax payers expense! Sounds like the parents need to beat his little ****!
Beat an emotionally impaired child? ya thats gonna help. go ahead & beat him then tell him its not ok to beat on someone else ya thats a great idea.
Becky

Greenville, MI

#12 Sep 7, 2008
Montcalm County is notorious for not providing the appropriate support services for parents of EI children. I personally BEGGED Child Protective Services, The Montcalm Center for Behavioral Health, and the police for help with my son, when he was out of control, and got NOTHING. The ONLY way I got any help with him was when he committed a felony and landed in front of the judge. He was also sent to Bay County, then off to St. Vincent's Home in Saginaw. It has been nearly 2 years, since he picked up his charges, but he is home now, and shockingly enough- his placement in a placement center is what did the trick. Bay County is a holding facility, and will not do a darned thing to help her son- but once he has gone through all of the psychological testing and competency testing that is REQUIRED by the juvenile court division, they will find an appropriate situation to rehabilitate her son. Right now, it seems like a whole lot of hassle, and her son is probably not getting any form of help for his problems, but he WILL, once he is out of Montcalm County. I would like to know how I can give my contact information to the family, in case they want some support from someone that has been through this before.
Coper

United States

#13 Sep 7, 2008
The mental health care for individuals afflicted in this country is criminally despicable. This child needs to be locked down in a long term mental health care facility which no longer exists too much today. The only choice for him is a correctional facility. The neglect of society on all issues including mental health is catching up with the country, and we will continue to pay a heavy price for it. No, taxpayers shouldn't be obligated to pay for someone elses dilemma, but we are obligated in making sure peoples lives are not endangered by emotionally disturbed people so we there is a price we have to pay no matter how you look at it. The mother's mental health needs to be evaluated as well to see if she is providing a healthy environment for him

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Since: Jan 08

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#14 Sep 7, 2008
Anonymous wrote:
Can we get some f.......... help for this woman?!?!????
Where do people go when they are in need of some mental health treatment? Did Michigan do away with that program too?????? THIS IS SAD !! Someone step up and help guide this woman to a facility to get her son some treatment.
Unfortunately, most of the major mental health institutions were shut down in the 1980's. I don't want to politicize something like this, I'm tired of partisanship, but the move was made by Ronald Reagan under executive order. The story at the time that the larger, traditional "institutions" would be shut down and smaller "Community" homes would be be built. Unfortunately the smaller community homes by and large simply were not built. Either for budgetary reasons (mental health budges have simply not kept pace with inflation, they have been slashed and slashed again), or for a "Not in my neighborhood" reasons. The only solution then for individuals with severe mental health issues was either homelessness or incarceration. As everyone knows the level of homelessness and incarceration in this country is higher than that of any other "civilized" country in the world and has increased almost in perfect sync to the decline of mental health care budgets. I guess as a society we have a choice. Recognize mental illness and treat it appropriately and humanely (some individuals may not be fit for a place in society) or, as the course seems to be, simply build more jails and just lock up more people. Putting someone with mental health issues in a prison is not going to solve any problems. IMHO...
Becky

Greenville, MI

#15 Sep 7, 2008
Wasted wrote:
ya counseling? at the tax payers expense! Sounds like the parents need to beat his little ****!
Sorry, the system doesn't work like that- ask me all about the $104,500 bill I got from Montcalm County Juvenile Court Division for the rehabilitation of my child when we were in the same situation as this family. As for beating the boy- he has a DISABILITY, that means he needs help, not beatings that will encourage him to be even more violent. Have you never heard of the abuse cycle? If you don't know what really happens in this type of situation, shut up or at least educate yourself so you won't sound so retarded.
Allen

Boulder, CO

#16 Sep 7, 2008
I understand the mother's situational. But, it is my opinion that she has it backwards. It is mentally ill people -- people with no internal controls -- who benefit the most from knowing that there are sure, certain, and quick EXTERNAL repercussions for destructive actions. A normal person feels for the person they are thinking of harming and that normally stops them -- an abnormal person is the one who needs the threat of punishment.
Concerned

Bountiful, UT

#17 Sep 7, 2008
I am a special ed teacher in a neighboring county. I have seen students and families in similar situations. My heart goes out to these folks. While I don't have any better answers than anyone else, I am actually writing to say that I am really surprised by the comments on this story. For the most part everyone seems to realize that this is a very real problem. Often I hear people suggest that kids just need a good beating or blame for the parents. It so good to see so much support for this family's situation. My hope is that people are starting to realize that there is a signigicant difference between poorly parented kids and kids who have mental illnesses. We need to start acknowledging that mental illness can happen in any family. I will pray for strength for the family and that they are able to be matched with the right resources.
Allen

Boulder, CO

#18 Sep 7, 2008
By punishment, of course I don't mean anything other than well supervised incarceration and loss of liberty. The quicker (in time) that the punishment happens in relation to the crime, the more likely that the criminal's behavior is modified. More excuses simply leads to more bad behavior.
Sally

Castle Rock, CO

#19 Sep 7, 2008
I worked two jobs to put my son in Lake Michigan Achademy, this school helps kids with learning disabilities that turn into behavioral problems if the parents don't do something when they are young. The goverment keeps the general school systems hands tied, they can't do anything if they wanted to. Even parents can't !! Disaplyn your child, and protective services might mistake it for one of those morons that hurt their children, because they also are controlled by the goverment and under staffed.
Life is not easy, but parents need to step and make it right.
Cate

United States

#20 Sep 7, 2008
this kid needs to be placed on a residental home for mental behavior kids, away from the public. He will act out again and again, til he kills someone and then the parents will say no one did anything and sue the state. State needs to take custudy of this kid and place him in a safe manor away from others. Parents need some counsiling too. Maybe they need to sign him over to the state, let the state take care of him, but then again, we know how much the state puts in to caring for these kids. Its a no win for all of us. I do know, I dont want this kid in my neighborhood.

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