Racism In Grand Rapids & Michigan & The U.S.

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Tar Baby

Sparta, MI

#1 Sep 2, 2008
It's true. The reality is that the white Europeans, the white Americans found the Africans of interest enough to relocate them here; to use them for slave labor without pay, to abuse them and to take advantage of them and not allow them to become educated. Then when the institution of slavery was no longer economically feasible or profitable, President Lincoln abolished slavery and African Americans began to become educated. If they found employment it was mostly in a low-wage paying or rather a demeaning type of job, ect. Now do come to the era and times in which we are currently living. An African-American can complete college and meet all the educational requirements, professional training required, ect. for employment or a certain occupation; exactly as a white counterpart. But when they go out and seek employment they are turned down and basically told that they are not good enough. Oh, but, the African-American was good enough for whitey to use without paying him/her in past. Now that you are fully educated ... you just ain't good enough! Think about it! All you racist people got out to the polls and struck down affirmative action on that Proposal II - which is further proof of the evil racist heart. An African-American was good enough to work for nothing in times past but not good enough to work for a salary even when they are totally qualified for the position they have applied for. This is the height, core and crust of racism in our society and plenty of it - discrimination - going on in Grand Rapids all by itself. That's why I'm voting for Barack Obama ... so at least something can be done to address African-American issues and African-Americans can begin to improve their livelihood. There is only one life to live.(dirty, low-down, racist, racism in Grand Rapids, Michigan) Let me hear what you have to say about this.
gregd548

Saint Charles, IL

#2 Sep 4, 2008
Just a point: the native tribes in Africa are the ones who started slavery; they conquered and enslaved their neighboring tribes. (That's black enslaving black). Then they found they could make 'money' selling their slaves to the Portuguese, which they did, increasing the number of those enslaved over the years. The Portuguese passed it on to the rest of the world, and the U.S. ended the practice with Lincoln abolishing slavery. Those are just the historically provable facts.
Tar Baby

Grand Rapids, MI

#3 Sep 4, 2008
I don't know if you know what you are talking about. Although slavery was a profitable institution at one time; the conditions and treatment of African-Americans in America during this time-line have contributed to the historical hatred and constant problems they continue to face from the white enemy. African-American history is full of illustrations of problems from a white enemy. We are talking about discrimination, last hired, first fired, low wages, poverty and being trapped in cheaper low income housing, subsidized housing, ect. Don't mention 'the American dream' because few Blacks can hope to have it or to live it. I have known some wonderful and great individuals who were never on the television screen. I don't ever need to meet anyone great or famous because I have already known several people of great personage. They lived to see my success ... but it never happened during their lifetime and this is partly due to the fact that no one ever took enough of an interest in me to help when their help was needed and the reason was solely because I was African-American. Grand Rapids will never change for the better as far as African-Americans are concerned. I truly believe that I could leave West Michigan for 5 to 7 years and when I return to visit I would find that very little has changed, as far as economic conditions in the African-American community and neighborhoods. These nice but sleepy people need to wake up. Or someone needs to wake them up. They deserve better respect than what they are getting and receiving here. I had no idea G.R. was as it is. I have lost 25 years of 'the American dream' by residing here; that is to say, the 'dream' could have certainly been obtained elsewhere without hassle. This city will one day burn to the ground if she does not change her ways. But, I pray it will not be in my lifetime.
Tar Baby

Kalamazoo, MI

#4 Sep 5, 2008
I am glad that you are all silent on the issue. It shows that you cannot disclaim the truths I have offered! Shame on you! Racism, then, is alive and well in Grand Rapids, Kent County, Michigan. End of discussion!

“Dude, Where's my car?”

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#5 Sep 5, 2008
Tar Baby wrote:
I am glad that you are all silent on the issue. It shows that you cannot disclaim the truths I have offered! Shame on you! Racism, then, is alive and well in Grand Rapids, Kent County, Michigan. End of discussion!
On the other hand, perhaps everyone is just sick to death of yet another discontented black person beating himself on the chest about how he and his "bruthers" have been mis-treated. Pull up your pants, turn the hat on your head so it points in the correct direction and quite voting people like Kwame in office. If you can't do that then I suggest a one way ticket back to you wonderful African homeland. Zimbabwe and Darfur are nice this time of year I hear...

“all things considered...”

Since: Nov 07

"you get back what you give"

#6 Sep 5, 2008
Hurley35 wrote:
<quoted text>On the other hand, perhaps everyone is just sick to death of yet another discontented black person beating himself on the chest about how he and his "bruthers" have been mis-treated. Pull up your pants, turn the hat on your head so it points in the correct direction and quite voting people like Kwame in office. If you can't do that then I suggest a one way ticket back to you wonderful African homeland. Zimbabwe and Darfur are nice this time of year I hear...
Agreed Hurley..besides racism is never one sided, though many would have us believe so.

Since: Sep 07

Location hidden

#7 Sep 5, 2008
Hurley35 wrote:
<quoted text>On the other hand, perhaps everyone is just sick to death of yet another discontented black person beating himself on the chest about how he and his "bruthers" have been mis-treated. Pull up your pants, turn the hat on your head so it points in the correct direction and quite voting people like Kwame in office. If you can't do that then I suggest a one way ticket back to you wonderful African homeland. Zimbabwe and Darfur are nice this time of year I hear...
[[APPLAUDING WILDLY]] Exactly, Hurley!

By the way, blacks WERE enslaved by blacks first, AND SOLD by blacks first. You might want to get YOUR facts straight, Tarbaby
Whodo

Caseville, MI

#8 Sep 5, 2008
Tbaby, you are a boring chap.
Do you think you've said something important, or never said by others?
Oh poor me. somehow I read the whine of a victim, either real or not.

“Dude, Where's my car?”

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#9 Sep 5, 2008
Lucy in Rockford wrote:
<quoted text>
[[APPLAUDING WILDLY]] Exactly, Hurley!
By the way, blacks WERE enslaved by blacks first, AND SOLD by blacks first. You might want to get YOUR facts straight, Tarbaby
Exactly Lucy. The slave trade could not have existed if the black kings had not been so willing to sell their own people or capture those of other tribes and sell them. And the Arab slave trade in blacks was going on at least 500 years before the first Portuguese explorer ever set eyes on Africa. I'm not trying to diminish the fact that Slavery is a terrible stain on our country's history but Black have been enslaving Blacks a whole lot longer than Europeans or Arabs have done so. The real difference is that Blacks are still enslaving other Blacks in Africa, if not killing other tribes outright.
Old Rocker

United States

#10 Sep 5, 2008
Here's some interesting reading I received in an e-mail a couple of weeks ago. Take it for what it's worth.
There are African Americans ,Mexican Americans, Asian Americans, Arab Americans, Native Americans, etc......And then there are just Americans.
You say that whites commit a lot of violence against you, so why are the ghettos the mostdangerous places to live?
You have the United Negro College Fund. Hispanic History Month. Martin Luther King Day. Asian History Month. Black History Month. Cesar Chavez Day. Ma'uled Al-Nabi. Yom Hashoah. Kawanza. the NAACP, and you have BET.
If we had WET(White Entertainment Television).....We'd be racists.
If we had a White Pride Day.....You would call us racists.
If we had White History Month.....We'd be racists.
If we had any organization for only whites to 'advance' OUR lives,
.....We'd be racists.
If we had a college fund that only gave
white students scholarships .....You know we'd be racists.
There are over 60 openly-proclaimed Black-only Colleges in the US ,
yet if there were 'White-only Colleges'.....THAT would be a racist college.
In the Million-Man March, you believed that you were marching for your race and rights. If we marched for our race and rights,.....You would call us racists.
You are proud to be black, brown, yellow and red, and you're not afraid to announce it. But when we announce our white pride.....You call us racists.
You rob us, carjack us, and shoot at us. But, when a white police officer shoots a black gang member or beats up a black drug-dealer who is running from the LAW and posing a threat to ALL of society.....You call him a racist.
I am proud......But, you call me a racist.
Why is it that only whites can be racists?

“Dude, Where's my car?”

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#11 Sep 5, 2008
Tar Baby wrote:
I have lost 25 years of 'the American dream' by residing here; that is to say, the 'dream' could have certainly been obtained elsewhere without hassle.
Don't let the door hit you in the A@@ on the way out...

Since: Sep 07

Location hidden

#12 Sep 5, 2008
Excellent post, Old Rocker! And SPOT ON

“Pleasantly Deranged”

Since: Apr 08

West Michigan

#13 Sep 12, 2008
Many, many interesting and valid points being made here. I wonder if part of the reason there are "over 60 openly-proclaimed Black-only Colleges in the US" has anything to do with the fact that up until recently (50 yrs or so) Blacks were not allowed to attend White schools which, of course included most of the colleges.

If I'm not mistaken, the federal government actually used the military to help allow black children to attend the same school as white kids. Most of these "black colleges" were started as an effort of self determination and improvement because Blacks WERE NOT ALLOWED or WELCOME to attend most colleges. This is very different from the idea of "Hey, let's start an all black college and keep the white man out"

We have made great progress in this country, particularly in the last 50 yrs or so and I agree that when we still see things existing today that were started before we made this progress it seems to only perpetuate our ideas of racism. I believe this will change too, over time.

It would be interesting if someone were to start a discussion about what we can do as a society to help all of us to live together as God's children. I think this would include every race, religion and ethnic group to look at themselves in the mirror and ask some questions about what they could do to help. I think that would keep us all busy for a while. We can't alter our history, but we shape our destiny every second of every day.
Sky

West Bloomfield, MI

#14 Sep 29, 2008
Tar Baby wrote:
It's true. The reality is that the white Europeans, the white Americans found the Africans of interest enough to relocate them here; to use them for slave labor without pay, to abuse them and to take advantage of them and not allow them to become educated. Then when the institution of slavery was no longer economically feasible or profitable, President Lincoln abolished slavery and African Americans began to become educated. If they found employment it was mostly in a low-wage paying or rather a demeaning type of job, ect. Now do come to the era and times in which we are currently living. An African-American can complete college and meet all the educational requirements, professional training required, ect. for employment or a certain occupation; exactly as a white counterpart. But when they go out and seek employment they are turned down and basically told that they are not good enough. Oh, but, the African-American was good enough for whitey to use without paying him/her in past. Now that you are fully educated ... you just ain't good enough! Think about it! All you racist people got out to the polls and struck down affirmative action on that Proposal II - which is further proof of the evil racist heart. An African-American was good enough to work for nothing in times past but not good enough to work for a salary even when they are totally qualified for the position they have applied for. This is the height, core and crust of racism in our society and plenty of it - discrimination - going on in Grand Rapids all by itself. That's why I'm voting for Barack Obama ... so at least something can be done to address African-American issues and African-Americans can begin to improve their livelihood. There is only one life to live.(dirty, low-down, racist, racism in Grand Rapids, Michigan) Let me hear what you have to say about this.
I really don't think your black at all, nor do I believe you're voting for Obama, you had me going for a second until I smelled a republican in the mist. What are African-American issues, ask any African-American and they will tell you our issues are the same as all other Americans their is no difference. Good try Mcsame camp! NURSES FOR OBAMA/BIDEN!!!!!!!

“Transplanted Yooper”

Since: Feb 08

Ada, or Marquette area

#15 Oct 3, 2008
If y'all want to keep pushing for equality, and rightfully so, then how about we all get on the same page. If you were born in this country, you're an American. If you were born in Africa, moved here and became a citizen, you're an African-American, irregardless of the color of your skin. Let's ditch the 'special designations' eliminate those 'race' checkboxes on various forms, and get on with it.
tony

Holland, MI

#16 Oct 3, 2008
Tar Baby ....
Thats a very racist name, thanks for making your point irrelevant.
truth is, blacks are far more racist than whites.
and you know it, you just think its ok becuase its you.

“Frak no, we won't!”

Since: Sep 08

Ionia, MI

#17 Oct 4, 2008
Hurley35 wrote:
<quoted text>Exactly Lucy. The slave trade could not have existed if the black kings had not been so willing to sell their own people or capture those of other tribes and sell them. And the Arab slave trade in blacks was going on at least 500 years before the first Portuguese explorer ever set eyes on Africa. I'm not trying to diminish the fact that Slavery is a terrible stain on our country's history but Black have been enslaving Blacks a whole lot longer than Europeans or Arabs have done so. The real difference is that Blacks are still enslaving other Blacks in Africa, if not killing other tribes outright.
May as well save your breath, Hurley. Your wisdom is completely lost on hoodrats like this who only think in terms of finding ways to "stick it to whitey 'cause he 'pressed me n kep' me down fo all dese years."

I agree if Tar Baby doesn't like it here, maybe he should head for the "island paradise" of Cuba and not let the door him in the azz on the way out.

It's Obama-worshiping jerkoffs like this who chant the twin rallying cries of "Yes We Can" and "Die Facist American Pigs."

PS
If you haven't seen "An American Carol" yet, you should. I laughed my azz off!

“Radical Religious Right”

Since: Jun 08

Grand Rapids, MI

#18 Oct 4, 2008
Tar Baby wrote:
It's true. The reality is that the white Europeans, the white Americans found the Africans of interest enough to relocate them here; to use them for slave labor without pay, to abuse them and to take advantage of them and not allow them to become educated. Then when the institution of slavery was no longer economically feasible or profitable, President Lincoln abolished slavery and African Americans began to become educated. If they found employment it was mostly in a low-wage paying or rather a demeaning type of job, ect. Now do come to the era and times in which we are currently living. An African-American can complete college and meet all the educational requirements, professional training required, ect. for employment or a certain occupation; exactly as a white counterpart. But when they go out and seek employment they are turned down and basically told that they are not good enough. Oh, but, the African-American was good enough for whitey to use without paying him/her in past. Now that you are fully educated ... you just ain't good enough! Think about it! All you racist people got out to the polls and struck down affirmative action on that Proposal II - which is further proof of the evil racist heart. An African-American was good enough to work for nothing in times past but not good enough to work for a salary even when they are totally qualified for the position they have applied for. This is the height, core and crust of racism in our society and plenty of it - discrimination - going on in Grand Rapids all by itself. That's why I'm voting for Barack Obama ... so at least something can be done to address African-American issues and African-Americans can begin to improve their livelihood. There is only one life to live.(dirty, low-down, racist, racism in Grand Rapids, Michigan) Let me hear what you have to say about this.
Our Sec. of State is black, there are more black business owners in America than anywhere else in the world (including Africa), black athletes and musicians make far more than they would anywhere else in the world, and we haven't done enough? It's not about anyone doing anything for someone else, it's about self-empowerment. There is more opportunity for ANYONE here than anywhere else on the planet, so give it a rest. Everyone is to blame for their position in life, some just choose to take credit instead of being "the victim". If it's so bad here, just leave and how well you do anywhere else.

“Radical Religious Right”

Since: Jun 08

Grand Rapids, MI

#19 Oct 4, 2008
Typo, whoops. That last sentence should read "If it's so bad here, just leave and see how well you do anywhere else."
Lady Divine

Coldwater, MI

#20 Oct 4, 2008
Grand Rapids is the most racist city and you wouldn't know that unless you were a race other than white!!! And thats the truth! Forget the ethnic holidays, whites are racist and jealous of other cultures because they don't have that same bond or culture as other races! Instead of acting on your racist ways, bond with races and maybe you will learn something!

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