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That report on the outgassing in cars was not the only one. There was quite a ruckus raised about those "FEMA" trailers and the harmful gasses in them. The interesting aspect of that one, to me, was that they were not made any differently from the trailers made prior to them. That one also died down fairly quickly and there is no more info coming out about them. I wonder how many were sold to the public for a song with no mention of the problems?
That's the whole point Taz. There are worst things in this world that are more hazardous to your health than SHS, but for some reason, some people have decided they need to be the SHS police on the world.

Wish I had that much free time on my hands. And quite frankly, I think the Mole can take her 'gift' and shove it where the sun doesn't shine. She doesn't care anymore anyway, she's only got a year left to screw up the state more.

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I am not sure what Bob means when he says "the majority won", when there was no vote put to the citizens of Michigan!!!

It was put to a vote in our grand Michigan government with a bunch of Commie MORONS that have KILLED this State, and continue to do so!!!

I think if you put it to a vote, most common sense Michiganders would see it for what it is, TAKING THE RIGHTS AWAY FROM FREE PEOPLE!!!!! SO I SAY LETS PUT IT TO A VOTE WITH THE CITIZENS AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS
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#103
Dec 13, 2009
 
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SO I SAY LETS PUT IT TO A VOTE WITH THE CITIZENS AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS
ABSOLUTELY NOT...Let the BUSINESS OWNERS vote on it

Orv

Since: Jan 08

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Dec 13, 2009
 
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ABSOLUTELY NOT...Let the BUSINESS OWNERS vote on it
That works for me too.

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Since: Nov 07

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Gentle Taz wrote:
<quoted text>That report on the outgassing in cars was not the only one. There was quite a ruckus raised about those "FEMA" trailers and the harmful gasses in them. The interesting aspect of that one, to me, was that they were not made any differently from the trailers made prior to them. That one also died down fairly quickly and there is no more info coming out about them. I wonder how many were sold to the public for a song with no mention of the problems?
Hi Taz - yep, all trailers, FEMA or not, were/are constructed with cheaper materials - the cheaper compressed wood products, as in - cupboards, paneling etc - used in trailers & homes contain formaldehyde - a known, very dangerous health hazzard - and these products used outgass for years & years - but who cares about the consumer as long as the manufacturer is saving some money right?

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#107
Dec 13, 2009
 
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<quoted text>When I get the chance to, I just might.But I didn't see anything about what you thought of the link I put out to you. Comments?
You just "might" read the "entire" site if you have time? Gee Bob, that little statement right there tells me a lot about "Bob"

Comments about the link you posted? I think it's an awesome link.

Question for you now Bob - did you post this link because you only saw the words at the top of the page? "Eternity - "Smoking" - The Path That Leads to Destruction" and it fit into your non smoking agenda on this thread? Were you somehow led to believe that all the scripture quoted - substantiates your reasons why people shouldn't smoke? Bob - is it your belief that anyone who smokes - goes to he!!???

Or, did you post the link in a hope that someone reading it's message would accept Jesus Christ as their Lord & Saviour?

It was the latter of the two, right Bob?

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Dec 13, 2009
 
Trouser Cough wrote:
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Hi Taz - yep, all trailers, FEMA or not, were/are constructed with cheaper materials - the cheaper compressed wood products, as in - cupboards, paneling etc - used in trailers & homes contain formaldehyde - a known, very dangerous health hazzard - and these products used outgass for years & years - but who cares about the consumer as long as the manufacturer is saving some money right?
just think though basic enbalming services won't be needed and if you get soju(korean alcohol) its made w/formaldehyde and sit in your gasseous trailer and drink soju your bady parts will last forever
lulz

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Dec 13, 2009
 
umm body not bady wtf mate

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Since: Jan 09

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Dec 14, 2009
 
I was thinking of some other things that should also be banned from restaurants . How about salt, from what I here to much salt is not good for you, supposedly it raises blood pressure and we cant have that, probably part of the health care bill, oh and sugar, this dastardly element causes all kinds of health problems with the obesity and the diabetes and how hyper it supposedly makes children. Ban vending machines in work places. I mean these machines are all filled with salty and sugary things.

So I say ban it or raise taxes on it so it becomes almost unaffordable.

Cynicism intended. Its easy to be cynical in this era of political correctness.
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Shoeless Eluder wrote:
I was thinking of some other things that should also be banned from restaurants . How about salt, from what I here to much salt is not good for you, supposedly it raises blood pressure and we cant have that, probably part of the health care bill, oh and sugar, this dastardly element causes all kinds of health problems with the obesity and the diabetes and how hyper it supposedly makes children. Ban vending machines in work places. I mean these machines are all filled with salty and sugary things.
Thing is, smoking wasn't banned in public places because it's bad for the individual but because it has negative health consequences for those around the person smoking. Same can't be said for salt, sugar or even caffeine. BTW, only about 10% of the population is salt sensitive enough to need to worry about it causing high blood pressure; the other 90% don't have a problem with it. I don't think you can say that 90% of people who smoke suffer no negative effects from it.

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Thing is, smoking wasn't banned in public places because it's bad for the individual but because it has negative health consequences for those around the person smoking. Same can't be said for salt, sugar or even caffeine. BTW, only about 10% of the population is salt sensitive enough to need to worry about it causing high blood pressure; the other 90% don't have a problem with it. I don't think you can say that 90% of people who smoke suffer no negative effects from it.
I don't see the difference our nanny state mentality and the political correctness that goes with it is all part of the SHS and smoking in general is bad, I disagree eating to much salt is bad eating to much sugar is bad etc. etc. I am just sick and tired of the government trying to pass laws to protect us from ourselves it is asinine. It should be left up to the individual if you don't like smoking establishments don't go in its as simple as that.

And my other question is if tobacco is really so bad why not just ban it altogether it makes no sense the incremental ways they are trying to banish certain things from society.
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Thing is, smoking wasn't banned in public places because it's bad for the individual but because it has negative health consequences for those around the person smoking. Same can't be said for salt, sugar or even caffeine. BTW, only about 10% of the population is salt sensitive enough to need to worry about it causing high blood pressure; the other 90% don't have a problem with it. I don't think you can say that 90% of people who smoke suffer no negative effects from it.
Yes, that statement can be made. Would it be true? Perhaps not, but it could be said. The same goes for the SHS science. I am quite sure we have all known people who died from lung cancer that never smoked a day in their life and didn't hang around smokers either. I personally can name a couple, the same as I can name a bunch who smoked right up until the day they died and they never had cancer. How is this explained? Science has already answered that question...we all have the cancer gene within us, now the secret is to try and figure out what the triggers are that cause it to start acting the way it does.
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Sandy wrote:
<quoted text>Yes, that statement can be made. Would it be true? Perhaps not, but it could be said. The same goes for the SHS science. I am quite sure we have all known people who died from lung cancer that never smoked a day in their life and didn't hang around smokers either. I personally can name a couple, the same as I can name a bunch who smoked right up until the day they died and they never had cancer. How is this explained? Science has already answered that question...we all have the cancer gene within us, now the secret is to try and figure out what the triggers are that cause it to start acting the way it does.
How dare you try to enter common sense and science into this discussion! How dare you try to inundate the uneducated anti-smokers with truth and fact!

By the way, thank you for the common sense and science. Thank you for explaining it so that it should make sense to everyone. Guess what folks? Regardless of how "healthy" you live your life, when it is your time, you will die. It's just part of life. Perhaps we should all think about how judgmental we want to be in this life especially since we will all be judged in the next.
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LMS wrote:
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How dare you try to enter common sense and science into this discussion! How dare you try to inundate the uneducated anti-smokers with truth and fact!
By the way, thank you for the common sense and science. Thank you for explaining it so that it should make sense to everyone. Guess what folks? Regardless of how "healthy" you live your life, when it is your time, you will die. It's just part of life. Perhaps we should all think about how judgmental we want to be in this life especially since we will all be judged in the next.
Yup, she is the oracle of truth. Why would anyone take the word and advice given by the Surgeon General, the American Heart Association, American Cancer Society, American Lung Association, or any other professional in the medical field about the dangers of smoking or second hand smoke? No need for them when we can count on Special Edna to spew out her common sense.

We even have Gentle Taz and Trouser Cough lamenting the fact that so many other things are bad for you like formaldehyde in travel trailers, or the ever deadly new car smell. We have other great like the Shoeless Eluder that is concerned about and offers proof (?) of the dangers of condiments.

So with heads buried in the sand, or more likely in a cloud of smoke, we can be thankful that all of these great minds can turn a blind eye to the issue at hand. Though the challenge has been given, not one of these people can provide a link to a scientific and peer reviewed study that shows no danger involved with smoking. Not one person will even admit that smoke travels and that it does have an effect on other peopleís health.

If you buy a travel trailer the fumes donít affect the neighboring campsites, the problem is inside that camper. And a new carís smell doesnít force everyone else off the highway, but may affect the driver or occupants. If you decide you want a pinch of salt in your beer, no one else is in danger of drinking it.

The problem with any of these things may be real enough, but none of these great minds on here want to do what the victims of SHS managed to do. The people who donít want to be forced to share the smoking habit pushed for a law to protect their rights. And the simple fact remains that the majority of residents, almost 80% of them, donít smoke. Our elected officials, who contrary to popular belief are not communists, performed the sworn duty and passed a law that protects that majority.

You want to put it to the vote of the people? Hey, you have plenty of time to get enough signatures to put this on next Novemberís ballot. Then the 20% of you that smoke, along with a few narrow minded bar owners can join the tobacco industry in trying to overturn this law. But when you start to use the arrogant attitudes you have shown on here to the voters, Iím confident that the majority will see you for what you all are. Then youíll have to find another excuse when the people put you right back out in the parking lot.

BTW, I already know Iíve been arrogant too. I tend to treat people the way Iím treated. Youíll be happy to know that I donít see any other reason to comment on this topic. You people are really beyond any reasonable discussion of the matter. Iíll just look forward to waving at you as youíre standing outside enjoying your addiction.

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Bob wrote:
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Yup, she is the oracle of truth. Why would anyone take the word and advice given by the Surgeon General, the American Heart Association, American Cancer Society, American Lung Association, or any other professional in the medical field about the dangers of smoking or second hand smoke? No need for them when we can count on Special Edna to spew out her common sense.
We even have Gentle Taz and Trouser Cough lamenting the fact that so many other things are bad for you like formaldehyde in travel trailers, or the ever deadly new car smell. We have other great like the Shoeless Eluder that is concerned about and offers proof (?) of the dangers of condiments.
So with heads buried in the sand, or more likely in a cloud of smoke, we can be thankful that all of these great minds can turn a blind eye to the issue at hand. Though the challenge has been given, not one of these people can provide a link to a scientific and peer reviewed study that shows no danger involved with smoking. Not one person will even admit that smoke travels and that it does have an effect on other peopleís health.
If you buy a travel trailer the fumes donít affect the neighboring campsites, the problem is inside that camper. And a new carís smell doesnít force everyone else off the highway, but may affect the driver or occupants. If you decide you want a pinch of salt in your beer, no one else is in danger of drinking it.
The problem with any of these things may be real enough, but none of these great minds on here want to do what the victims of SHS managed to do. The people who donít want to be forced to share the smoking habit pushed for a law to protect their rights. And the simple fact remains that the majority of residents, almost 80% of them, donít smoke. Our elected officials, who contrary to popular belief are not communists, performed the sworn duty and passed a law that protects that majority.
You want to put it to the vote of the people? Hey, you have plenty of time to get enough signatures to put this on next Novemberís ballot. Then the 20% of you that smoke, along with a few narrow minded bar owners can join the tobacco industry in trying to overturn this law. But when you start to use the arrogant attitudes you have shown on here to the voters, Iím confident that the majority will see you for what you all are. Then youíll have to find another excuse when the people put you right back out in the parking lot.
BTW, I already know Iíve been arrogant too. I tend to treat people the way Iím treated. Youíll be happy to know that I donít see any other reason to comment on this topic. You people are really beyond any reasonable discussion of the matter. Iíll just look forward to waving at you as youíre standing outside enjoying your addiction.
No ostrich here my friend, I don't live in a bubble of government protection, I know the dangers. I know the dangers of everything I do, I think most people do. Studies here, consensus there, theories, speculation mean nothing to me. To go off topic here a little. I used to have a three wheel ATV lots of fun never got hurt, but they were banned because over a I believe a ten year period around a 1000 people died on them, it wasn't the machine it was the person on the machine. Same with quad ATVs there are calls for banning them now. People die, people get sick who have never smoked a cigarette in their life. You know around 300,000 people die every day around the world for one reason or another and no study theory or consensus can change that fact. Banning smoking in bars, banning guns, banning motorcycles or any other dangerous activity will change that fact.

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Bob first of all i would like to say who in the HELL do you think you are to be all self rightoues (sp) and think that you are the controller of all that is unholy... you sound like an arrogant jerk.

Second of all perfume is danerous to some people actually life threatning. My daughter goes straight into an asthma attack when around alot of kinds of perfume... But am i saying it should be banned no i REMOVE her from the situation.

Bars will lose money because smoking goes with drinking for some people. And what ever happened to people being able to make their own choices. And yes you do have the choice to enter an establishment. But who are you to tell people they can't do something because you don't like it. So what quit crying and go somewhere where there isn't any smoking.
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Sandy wrote:
I am quite sure we have all known people who died from lung cancer that never smoked a day in their life and didn't hang around smokers either.
Has anyone claimed that smoking and second hand smoke are the ONLY causes of lung cancer? I read through the thread and can't find that claim so perhaps you'd be kind enough to reference the post number?
Here's some common sense for you; the fact that non-smokers who don't associate with smokers occasionally get lung cancer does not in any way disprove that smoking and being exposed to second hand smoke causes lung cancer.
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am an ex smoker. I quit when my mom passed away from lung cancer. It was ALWAY'S said that cancer run's in family. Well that statment is completely wrong cause my family has no history of it. Anyway's, although i have quit, i think the law is the dumbest one as of yet!! What ever happened to our right's? If you wanna smoke, SMOKE! They shouldn't ban smoking in bar's. I still go out with friend's & they smoke...OH WELL! If i didn't like it then i guess i would get new friend's eh? I just think that we already have enough right's stripped from us! I say it's our own life, do as we please!! Yes, i can see both side's of this arguement, but i'm sure i'm not the only one who is sick & tired of the Goverment running OUR live's!! Enough is enough!!
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BTW, I already know Iíve been arrogant too. I tend to treat people the way Iím treated. Youíll be happy to know that I donít see any other reason to comment on this topic. You people are really beyond any reasonable discussion of the matter. Iíll just look forward to waving at you as youíre standing outside enjoying your addiction.
IF smoking were as dangerous as it is being claimed, why is it stil LEGAL TO SELL, BUY AND USE thiss product? How many people died from Asbestos poisoning? They banned it's use. How many people died or got sick from Vioxx? Removed from the marketplace.
Just a couple of examples, and under 100,000 killed... How many supposedly killed from cigatette an second-hand smoke per year? Supposedly, by the figures provided by the ACS, over 400,000 a YEAR. Here is the question then... Why go through the piddely crap way and just take it off the market? IF the numbers that they spout are indeed "Facts" then the product would be taken off the market immediately.
As long as cigarettes ar legal to sell, buy and use, then people will sell, uy and use them. Any laws limiting the use of this LEGAL product are stupid and ineffective. A non-smoker has as much a choice whn they go into a place that allows smoking, they can choose to either not go there, or they can choose to put up with the smoking. The laws banning smoking in CERTAIN places are taking the choice away from the smokers completely.
I think that the choice should be made by the ownership of the establishment. McDonalds and Wendy's banned smoking in their resturaunts long before the bans went into place, and if people wanted to smoke they went elsewhere.
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To begin with, please stop trying to compare the pollution that smoking causes with those that create global warming.
The smoking ban was enacted to provide protection to employees from the effects of SHS. And yes, it should have banned in the three Detroit casinos as well. This choice was made out of politics, and hopefully some day we'll see these places become smoke free as well.
Starting in May, smokers will have the same choice that non-smokers have been forced into for years. They will have the choice to go to a bar or restaurant for the purpose of eating or drinking but their smoking habit will have to be taken outside. Their other option is to simply stay home. I beleive that staying home was the only option that non-smokers had for years.
I really do feel sorry for those of you who are so addicted, that you cannot manage to accomplish anything without your cigarettes. I'm not sure how you ever have managed to visit a hospital, gov't building, grocery/clothing store since these and many other places have gone smoke free.
It must be extremely difficult to sleep at night without that fix of nicotine. I must assume that you all wake up numerous times just to light one up.
And just to be clear, I'm all in support of banning hunting, fishing, or any other activity where one person's actions infringe upon the rights of others.
SHS has never been proven. As far as employees, that is a ignorant statement! No one is forcing anyone to work at a bar or restaurant where smoking is allowed. Smoking is legal, Non smokers that are bothered could just simply go to another restaurant or bar that is smoke free. You just watch Bob, how many small bars and restuarants go out of business after this. Oh and by the way non smokers may not be the Majority here. At the very least lets be Democratic and vote on it, you know let the Majority decide!

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