Be careful what you wish for

Be careful what you wish for

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Voice of reason

Gaines, MI

#1 Dec 10, 2009
How many non-smokers really hang out in bars?

Enough to warrant keeping the bars open until 4:00 a.m.?

I think not.

“Where I came from”

Since: Jan 09

the universe

#2 Dec 10, 2009
Bunch of self righteous jerks why don't they just ban tobacco altogether. Cigars, cigarettes, chew, snuff just ban it and get it over with and then work on alcohol oh yeah ban alcohol from bars put thousands of people out of work.
Twinks

Deerfield, IL

#3 Dec 10, 2009
http://www.mlive.com/politics/index.ssf/2009/...

Yep, I'm sure this will "boost" the economy....NOT
Twinks

Deerfield, IL

#4 Dec 10, 2009
We FINALLY legalize medical marijuana and now we're going to ban smoking in bars...One step forward, two steps back

“Where I came from”

Since: Jan 09

the universe

#5 Dec 10, 2009
Smoking never bothered me I have been in plenty of bars in my day and it just never bothered me and I don't smoke cigarettes never have. I took up cigars a few years ago and smoke them outside and at home but don't smoke them in bars or restaurants. I guess its time to open up up smoking rooms a good entrepreneur should be able to get around the law. Lets see a cigar bourbon bar works for me select cigars and good bourbon two good things that go good together just like peanut butter and chocolate.
Voice of reason

Pinckney, MI

#6 Dec 10, 2009
Shoeless Eluder wrote:
Smoking never bothered me I have been in plenty of bars in my day and it just never bothered me and I don't smoke cigarettes never have. I took up cigars a few years ago and smoke them outside and at home but don't smoke them in bars or restaurants. I guess its time to open up up smoking rooms a good entrepreneur should be able to get around the law. Lets see a cigar bourbon bar works for me select cigars and good bourbon two good things that go good together just like peanut butter and chocolate.
Ha!

I don't smoke either... but... I do patronize a couple of establishments where many do.

Big Brother Government is never the answer for small business.

There are plenty of non-smoking places I could go, should smoking bother me, but I like the places where I meet up with good friends for good times.

I don't think I'll be seeing them as much.....after May 2010.

I love the way they forced it as an "employment" issue.

Last I checked, the federal gov't was where the Department of Labor was housed. Not Michigan.(Or other State's who passed this ridiculous legislation.

A good entrepreneur will absolutely find their pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.

Too bad his/her tax obligation won't come close to matching the tax obligation of existing bars and restaurants who cater to, or gladly welcome, "smoker" revenue.
Sandy

United States

#7 Dec 11, 2009
Now you know that you have no clue what is good for you, it must be regulated by others. Alcohol won't be banned since the fines related to it bring in money for big brother.
The problem with this ban is now that some have achieved this goal, what is next?? What will they set their sights on now? Anyone care to hazard a guess?

Orv

Since: Jan 08

Perth Amboy, NJ

#8 Dec 11, 2009
I said it before, these commies will not defeat us with conventional war, they will destroy us from within, and thats just how its going and everyone is sitting back and letting it happen.
The next to go will be what and how much you can eat, then what and when you can watch (already doing that with the news media)ten what and how much you can drive,(already did that with cash for clunkers) and so on, and so on.
The interesting thing is that they tax you for these things and then later cry because they are not getting the revenue because people are driving and smoking less and purchasing more fuel efficient cars. WHAT A BUNCH OF MORONS, thats what a communist is.

I am not very smart, but I have more common sense than these MORONS IN OFFICE!!!!

“Taz say Hi”

Since: Jan 08

Holland,MI

#9 Dec 11, 2009
I can't help but wonder where they found the time to work on this one again, when they have such pressing budget issues to wotk on. I don't see any signs of this kind of effort being expended towards the budget problem. Many, many hours have been expended over the years in trying to get this passed. Those same hours could have been spent on something productive.
Bob

Big Rapids, MI

#10 Dec 11, 2009
It's about time this law was passed. I can't wait to be able to escape the choking fumes of all these people who wish to throw their own lives away.

The majority rules in this country, and this is a huge victory for them at last.

Orv

Since: Jan 08

Perth Amboy, NJ

#11 Dec 11, 2009
Bob wrote:
It's about time this law was passed. I can't wait to be able to escape the choking fumes of all these people who wish to throw their own lives away.
The majority rules in this country, and this is a huge victory for them at last.
Ah and a MORON appears, what, you dont want people to have a right with something that is totally legal to do, and purchase? You communist!!! There are pleanty of places that you can go to that are smoke free on their own accord, the owners of those establishments did it on their own. If I walk into an establisment and they say there is no smoking I have the right and common sense to say I will stay and abide by your rule, or turn around and go to a place that has smokeing available.

Most places that I have been to, have adequate ventalation, so there is no cloud of smoke hanging around, and if they don't I go where they do have adequate ventalation, IT'S MY CHOICE AS IT SHOULD BE THE CHOICE OF THE ESTABLISHMENTS OWNER.

By the way I don't like the smell of your cars exhaust, and the colone you use is makeing me sick, could you please leave the room!!!
haha

United States

#12 Dec 11, 2009
Hey Bob, Eat healthy, don't smoke, exercise, and guess what? You die anyway. The hospitals are going to be chock full of totally healthy people just kicking the bucket!
Voice of reason

United States

#13 Dec 11, 2009
Bob wrote:
It's about time this law was passed. I can't wait to be able to escape the choking fumes of all these people who wish to throw their own lives away.
The majority rules in this country, and this is a huge victory for them at last.
Congratulations on your huge win.

I'm sorry you couldn't find one of the thousands of non-smoking establishments which were already in existence by owner's choice.

Thank God for NannyHolm or else you'd never be able to go out.

Don't cry when your taxes are increased to generate revenue lost via stupid legislation.


If it was such a "health" issue, the Detroit casino's (Huge employer's) wouldn't have copped exemption privilege.

Yeah, the majority rules. The majority seems to be a "do as I say, not as I do" majority.
Voice of reason

United States

#14 Dec 11, 2009
Gentle Taz wrote:
I can't help but wonder where they found the time to work on this one again, when they have such pressing budget issues to wotk on. I don't see any signs of this kind of effort being expended towards the budget problem. Many, many hours have been expended over the years in trying to get this passed. Those same hours could have been spent on something productive.
Typical, isn't it?
Bob

Big Rapids, MI

#15 Dec 11, 2009
Whether you like it or not, the vast majority of us are not addicted to that stinking habit, and are sick and tired of having to put up with those that do.

I can only look forward to the day that we won't have to put up with it on any public property. It would seem nice to go to a beach, park, or simply walk down a sidewalk without having to wade through all of the butts strewn everywhere.

Smoking is a filthy habit, and hopefully this new law encourages most of you to give it up. If not, that is your choice to live with. Starting in May, the rest of won't have to.

“It's 5;00 somewhere !! ”

Since: Jun 09

Holland

#16 Dec 11, 2009
Bob wrote:
Whether you like it or not, the vast majority of us are not addicted to that stinking habit, and are sick and tired of having to put up with those that do.
I can only look forward to the day that we won't have to put up with it on any public property. It would seem nice to go to a beach, park, or simply walk down a sidewalk without having to wade through all of the butts strewn everywhere.
Smoking is a filthy habit, and hopefully this new law encourages most of you to give it up. If not, that is your choice to live with. Starting in May, the rest of won't have to.
Bob do you pick your nose ??? That is a disgusting habit also. Do you want the goverment to tell you that you cant pick your nose anymore ??? D you pull on Little Bob ?? Dont lie. Do you want the goverment to tell you you cant punch your munchkin ???
I Hate Idiots

Grand Haven, MI

#17 Dec 11, 2009
I certainly hope that the people that support this ban are as gracious when the govt knocks on their door and tells them they can no longer BBQ on their property because the smoke from their grill is hazardous to their neighbors. That is where we are heading if we continue to allow the govt to control our lives and liberty like this. There is no excuse or good reason to tell a private business owner how to run their business when it comes to allowing or disallowing legal activities to happen within their establishment. Regardless if you feel that SHS is dangerous (still waiting on indisputable proof of that) smoking IS LEGAL. So as long as it is a legal activity there should be no allowing govt control of personal choice.
yikes

Flemington, MO

#18 Dec 11, 2009
Big Mike 67 wrote:
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Bob do you pick your nose ??? That is a disgusting habit also. Do you want the goverment to tell you that you cant pick your nose anymore ??? D you pull on Little Bob ?? Dont lie. Do you want the goverment to tell you you cant punch your munchkin ???
Didn't Gore just come out with a new study that says 'punching your munchkin' is causing global warming? Now you will have to buy tax credits to do what used to be free...hookers will be cheaper, and the plus side is it will help the unemployment rate.

“Don't touch my junk man!”

Since: Nov 07

Middle of the Mitten, Michigan

#19 Dec 11, 2009
What I find ironic is our state government relies on people purchasing tobacco for the taxes, yet they make it more and more difficult everyday for people to use the tobacco they're relying on for revenue.

And I agree with I Hate Idiots. The line is liquid and the more liberties we give away the more they'll come after the next time around.
say what

Farmington, MI

#20 Dec 11, 2009
Doesn't cigarette smoking produce carbon monoxide? Whoops....it's all you smokers causing global warming...we knew it! ;o)

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