“Selected Marksman”

Since: Aug 08

Northern Virginia

#41 Jun 8, 2013
Oh oh....probaby a bunch of lies...
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/06/08/us...
Oneal

Grand Rapids, MI

#42 Jun 8, 2013
Go Blue Forever wrote:
<quoted text>Home Prices UP Nationally 12% over 2012....must be President Obama's fault......
Nothing on-topic to post again, Go Bue?

OK, let's get this out of the way yet again ...

Home values on average declined more than 32 percent between the fourth quarter of 2007 and the fourth quarter of 2012. So, you're crowing about an increase of far less than half in many areas - and that's after four years of Obama. A home worth 500k in 2007 is now worth half, and that's in a good state. Yeehaa!!

That is one pathetic recovery you're doing victory laps over, and the fact that's all you ever use as a positive for Obama speaks volumes.

Now how about addressing the latest scandal under your Miracle Boy president, or are you too afraid?
Really

Wyoming, MI

#43 Jun 8, 2013
Go Blue Forever wrote:
<quoted text>Especially since they have previously had huge problems, even remembering the recession, 2008....Bush...Bush who?.....lol...HOME PRICES RISE 12% FROM 2012...(AP).6-5-13...APRIL JUMP IS THE BIGGEST SINCE FEBRUARY 2006....Real estate data provider CoreLogic say's prices rose in April from the previous April in 48 states. Prices also rose 3.2 percent in April from March, much better than the previous month to month gain of 1.9 percent....More people are looking to purchase homes. But the number of homes for sale is down 14% from a year ago. The supply shortage has contributed to the price increases....Rising house prices can help sustain the housing recovery. They encourage more homeowners to sell. And they spur people to buy before prices increase further....Home sales and prices began to recover last year, six years after the housing bust. THEY HAVE BEEN BOUYED BY STEADY JOB GAINS AND LOW MORTGAGE RATES......FACTS OVER FOX.....
At least we look at something besides BBC and AP. Apparently your source didn't look at the perspective of how far the home prices fell either. Since most home owners that I have spoken to during the Parade of Homes say they lost between 30% and 50% of their home's value, the 12% isn't causing them to jump for joy. However, since "perspective" isn't in your vocabulary, please carry on.
Really

Wyoming, MI

#44 Jun 8, 2013
Mr Wiggley wrote:
<quoted text>
Three replys to your comment from folks with an obvious political affiliation. One blames Obama, one doesn't, and the other stutters.
The disarray is destroying them, one mixed up vote at a time.
And this comment belies your other one about "no affiliation" doesn't it Wiggley? We find many things to agree on, but the total lack of accountability for Obama is not one of them. You are certainly intelligent enough to put the numbers in perspective. At least I thought you were.

“Selected Marksman”

Since: Aug 08

Northern Virginia

#45 Jun 9, 2013
Really wrote:
<quoted text>And this comment belies your other one about "no affiliation" doesn't it Wiggley? We find many things to agree on, but the total lack of accountability for Obama is not one of them. You are certainly intelligent enough to put the numbers in perspective. At least I thought you were.
I don't see how my affiliations changed at all. I pointed how mis-informed the people are that you align yourself with. You were the only one of those three who did not directly blame Obama for the housing market crash which makes me wonder...why didn't you reply to "blue" from Jenison in post #33 and correct his/her completely uninformed statement that...
Quote "They dropped 50% when Obama took office."???(referring to home pricing)

We both know that's incorrect. If you align yourself with people who make such wild, outlandish comments, it takes away from your credibility when you don't correct them as vigorously as you would myself or Go Blue.

Aside from that, I appreciate the civil conversation and also hope you have a nice day.
Really

Wyoming, MI

#46 Jun 9, 2013
Mr Wiggley wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't see how my affiliations changed at all. I pointed how mis-informed the people are that you align yourself with. You were the only one of those three who did not directly blame Obama for the housing market crash which makes me wonder...why didn't you reply to "blue" from Jenison in post #33 and correct his/her completely uninformed statement that...
Quote "They dropped 50% when Obama took office."???(referring to home pricing)
We both know that's incorrect. If you align yourself with people who make such wild, outlandish comments, it takes away from your credibility when you don't correct them as vigorously as you would myself or Go Blue.
Aside from that, I appreciate the civil conversation and also hope you have a nice day.
I learned a long time ago that I am not responsible for what others say. You and Blue accusing me of "aligning" myself with others is off base and I dare say you realize that as well. As for my credibility, I would certainly think that my credibility is based on what I say, not what others say that any adult would know I am not accountable for. I will be accountable for my statements, but not the statements of others. As for correcting you or Blue, I apologize if you look at it as "correcting" since I don't mean it as correcting. I am merely commenting on what I thing are incorrect statements on your parts. I don't blame Obama for the housing crisis since I know it started before he took office. I also, however, don't blame only GW for the housing crisis since he was in office when it took place. He had to deal with the Dems who put things in place that contributed greatly to the housing crisis and that has been proven with links over and over and over again.
I hope you have a great rest of your weekend Wiggley.

“Selected Marksman”

Since: Aug 08

Northern Virginia

#47 Jun 9, 2013
Oneal wrote:
<quoted text>
Nothing on-topic to post again, Go Bue?
OK, let's get this out of the way yet again ...
Home values on average declined more than 32 percent between the fourth quarter of 2007 and the fourth quarter of 2012. So, you're crowing about an increase of far less than half in many areas - and that's after four years of Obama. A home worth 500k in 2007 is now worth half, and that's in a good state. Yeehaa!!
That is one pathetic recovery you're doing victory laps over, and the fact that's all you ever use as a positive for Obama speaks volumes.
Now how about addressing the latest scandal under your Miracle Boy president, or are you too afraid?
Not sure where you are getting your numbers. Virgina never expereinced a 50% drop in housing value. 20% to 30% max. The low point was 1st quarter 2012 and had been on a steady decline since 2007 but there was never a market crash here. Home values have increased 8% in the last year and sales are on the upswing also. Some homes in this area are selling above the asking price.
In D.C. they are leasing every residential unit as fast as they can build them.
I realize Michigan took a very hard hit but your blanket statement about the condition of the market and housing prices is not valid.

“Selected Marksman”

Since: Aug 08

Northern Virginia

#48 Jun 9, 2013
Really wrote:
<quoted text>I learned a long time ago that I am not responsible for what others say. You and Blue accusing me of "aligning" myself with others is off base and I dare say you realize that as well. As for my credibility, I would certainly think that my credibility is based on what I say, not what others say that any adult would know I am not accountable for. I will be accountable for my statements, but not the statements of others. As for correcting you or Blue, I apologize if you look at it as "correcting" since I don't mean it as correcting. I am merely commenting on what I thing are incorrect statements on your parts. I don't blame Obama for the housing crisis since I know it started before he took office. I also, however, don't blame only GW for the housing crisis since he was in office when it took place. He had to deal with the Dems who put things in place that contributed greatly to the housing crisis and that has been proven with links over and over and over again.
I hope you have a great rest of your weekend Wiggley.
I actually don't blame Bush either. The conditions that led to the housing market crash was rolling along well before Bush came into office and there was nothing he or his administration could have done to stop it.
Oneal

Grand Rapids, MI

#49 Jun 9, 2013
Mr Wiggley wrote:
<quoted text>
Not sure where you are getting your numbers. Virgina never expereinced a 50% drop in housing value. 20% to 30% max. The low point was 1st quarter 2012 and had been on a steady decline since 2007 but there was never a market crash here. Home values have increased 8% in the last year and sales are on the upswing also. Some homes in this area are selling above the asking price.
In D.C. they are leasing every residential unit as fast as they can build them.
I realize Michigan took a very hard hit but your blanket statement about the condition of the market and housing prices is not valid.
Again, guys, this constant need to be fed with what you can easily research yourself is getting on my nerves. How about you do the homework this time? Go find the average drop in home prices for every state since 2007, and then find what increases those states have experienced since. What you'll find is that the vast majority of homes are worth far less now. Cherry picking "some homes" that are worth more in your area is baseless and not representative of the national market and you know it.

I realize changing the subject from any discussion that goes against Obama is one of liberals' favorite tricks - but let's get back on subject shall we? If you and Go Blue want to stroke Obama start another thread. This one is about the Obama administration spying on American citizens, despite Obama's previous criticism of Bush doing far less by way of infringement on our privacy rights.

If you can't stomach any criticism of Obama to the point where you insist on changing the subject every time it happens you're in for a rough time. It's only going to get worse and more frequent as your Golden Boy gets caught up in his progressive underpants.
Bob

Big Rapids, MI

#50 Jun 9, 2013
Oneal wrote:
<quoted text>
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2004/apr/...
There ya go, idiot. I did your homework for you because you're too lazy to do it yourself. It took all of 5 seconds to find an example.
Bush took plenty of heat from conservatives for the PATRIOT Act while he was in office. It doesn't fit your window-licking progressive narrative therefore you refuse to admit it of course, but the facts are there.
I'm not the one who pretended to be a Latino, Bob. The only liar here is the pasty white mug you'd see if you looked in a mirror. That is if you're not too lazy to get up off your fat butt and do so.
Liberals are so lazy!
Poor Fool!

I asked to prove that you were against it, and the only thing you can come up with is this?

Teabaggers are so cowardly!

“Selected Marksman”

Since: Aug 08

Northern Virginia

#51 Jun 9, 2013
Oneal wrote:
<quoted text>
Again, guys, this constant need to be fed with what you can easily research yourself is getting on my nerves. How about you do the homework this time? Go find the average drop in home prices for every state since 2007, and then find what increases those states have experienced since. What you'll find is that the vast majority of homes are worth far less now. Cherry picking "some homes" that are worth more in your area is baseless and not representative of the national market and you know it.
I realize changing the subject from any discussion that goes against Obama is one of liberals' favorite tricks - but let's get back on subject shall we? If you and Go Blue want to stroke Obama start another thread. This one is about the Obama administration spying on American citizens, despite Obama's previous criticism of Bush doing far less by way of infringement on our privacy rights.
If you can't stomach any criticism of Obama to the point where you insist on changing the subject every time it happens you're in for a rough time. It's only going to get worse and more frequent as your Golden Boy gets caught up in his progressive underpants.
OK...here's the homework on the Virginia market that you used in your blanket statement about housing...
You were wrong...
http://varbuzz.com/2013-04/virginia-housing-m...

Or this...
http://www.timesdispatch.com/business/economy...

Nowhere does it state that housing ever reached a 50% decline as you stated...nowhere.

As far as the topic at hand...I'll repost this...
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/06/08/us...
Oneal

Grand Rapids, MI

#52 Jun 9, 2013
Bob wrote:
<quoted text>
Poor Fool!
I asked to prove that you were against it, and the only thing you can come up with is this?
Teabaggers are so cowardly!
Who cares whether I was against it or not, Beaner? I provided evidence that other, far more public and influential, voices sounded off against it making your point about as effective as, well, just about anything of the worthless garbage you post here.

You just make crap up as you go. It never changes with you liberals.

I don't think at the time Bush passed the PATRIOT Act I had an opinion one way or another. Did I care that our government was spying on people who were suspected f terrorist activities? No.

Do I care that it's been uncovered that our government is spying on hundreds of millions of American's cellphone use? YES - and if you weren't such a liberal pussssy you would too.

Liberals are truly ignorant.

“Selected Marksman”

Since: Aug 08

Northern Virginia

#53 Jun 9, 2013
Oneal wrote:
<quoted text>
Again, guys, this constant need to be fed with what you can easily research yourself is getting on my nerves. How about you do the homework this time? Go find the average drop in home prices for every state since 2007, and then find what increases those states have experienced since. What you'll find is that the vast majority of homes are worth far less now. Cherry picking "some homes" that are worth more in your area is baseless and not representative of the national market and you know it.
I realize changing the subject from any discussion that goes against Obama is one of liberals' favorite tricks - but let's get back on subject shall we? If you and Go Blue want to stroke Obama start another thread. This one is about the Obama administration spying on American citizens, despite Obama's previous criticism of Bush doing far less by way of infringement on our privacy rights.
If you can't stomach any criticism of Obama to the point where you insist on changing the subject every time it happens you're in for a rough time. It's only going to get worse and more frequent as your Golden Boy gets caught up in his progressive underpants.
When I speak of a blanket statement here's what you said earlier..."A home worth 500k in 2007 is now worth half, and that's in a good state. Yeehaa!!"
That's not 32% and you implied it's across the board, everywhere.
My reply was specific in saying that your claim did not hold any ground in Virginia. I'd guess that since it's not true for Virginia, it may well not be true for other states.
Simple logic in disproving your exaggeration.
Really

Wyoming, MI

#54 Jun 9, 2013
Mr Wiggley wrote:
<quoted text>
OK...here's the homework on the Virginia market that you used in your blanket statement about housing...
You were wrong...
http://varbuzz.com/2013-04/virginia-housing-m...
Or this...
http://www.timesdispatch.com/business/economy...
Nowhere does it state that housing ever reached a 50% decline as you stated...nowhere.
As far as the topic at hand...I'll repost this...
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/06/08/us...
Apparently Mr. Obama and his administration have decided that the expansion of the Patriot Act will provide a "safe" feeling for Americans while all their freedoms are gradually and quietly removed while hoping the American people don't notice. Even the author of the Patriot Act has come forward to say that the Obama administration is over reaching aggressively. I would also suggest that the intelligence that was gathered on the 2009 terror plot was gathered prior to Mr. Obama taking office?
Oneal

Grand Rapids, MI

#55 Jun 9, 2013
Mr Wiggley wrote:
<quoted text>
OK...here's the homework on the Virginia market that you used in your blanket statement about housing...
You were wrong...
http://varbuzz.com/2013-04/virginia-housing-m...
Or this...
http://www.timesdispatch.com/business/economy...
Nowhere does it state that housing ever reached a 50% decline as you stated...nowhere.
As far as the topic at hand...I'll repost this...
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/06/08/us...
Your Fox News report is about the most valid and intelligent retort to the phone recording scandal posted here amid the usual insult and dodge liberal tactics. I missed it the first time you posted it. However, it doesn't exactly warrant the recording of hundreds of millions of American's who are not suspected of terrorists connections. It's one thing to track known or suspected terrorists affiliates. It's another altogether to just invade massive numbers of American citizens' privacy.

I guess using your logic, that controversial tactics sometimes yield positive results, you support Bush's use of waterboarding then.
vox veritatis

Grand Rapids, MI

#56 Jun 9, 2013
Go Blue Forever wrote:
Especially since they have previously had huge problems, even remembering the recession,
Off topic, much? Or are you so high you don't know what thread you're posting on?

“Selected Marksman”

Since: Aug 08

Northern Virginia

#57 Jun 9, 2013
Really wrote:
<quoted text>Apparently Mr. Obama and his administration have decided that the expansion of the Patriot Act will provide a "safe" feeling for Americans while all their freedoms are gradually and quietly removed while hoping the American people don't notice. Even the author of the Patriot Act has come forward to say that the Obama administration is over reaching aggressively. I would also suggest that the intelligence that was gathered on the 2009 terror plot was gathered prior to Mr. Obama taking office?
Do we know to what extent this was used under the Bush administration? I'm not asking to put more blame on one or the other, just trying to determine what checks and balances have been in place since this whole thing began.
In other words, has there really been an expansion or are we merely just now finding out about something that has been going on for a long time??
As far as the 2009 terror plot..you could very well have a valid point there...

“Selected Marksman”

Since: Aug 08

Northern Virginia

#58 Jun 9, 2013
Oneal wrote:
<quoted text>
Your Fox News report is about the most valid and intelligent retort to the phone recording scandal posted here amid the usual insult and dodge liberal tactics. I missed it the first time you posted it. However, it doesn't exactly warrant the recording of hundreds of millions of American's who are not suspected of terrorists connections. It's one thing to track known or suspected terrorists affiliates. It's another altogether to just invade massive numbers of American citizens' privacy.
I guess using your logic, that controversial tactics sometimes yield positive results, you support Bush's use of waterboarding then.
They are supposed to be lookng for specific phone numbers which is what the article says they did to track down specific people using their phone numbers.
They are not allowed to record the conversation without a warrant. I can't even imagine the amount of hard drive space that would be required to record every phone call let alone figuring out how to listen to every one of them...
Oneal

Grand Rapids, MI

#59 Jun 9, 2013
Mr Wiggley wrote:
<quoted text>
They are supposed to be lookng for specific phone numbers which is what the article says they did to track down specific people using their phone numbers.
They are not allowed to record the conversation without a warrant. I can't even imagine the amount of hard drive space that would be required to record every phone call let alone figuring out how to listen to every one of them...
Specific phone numbers?? What, hundreds of millions of them?

The Fourth Amendment guards against unreasonable searches and seizures, along with requiring any warrant to be judicially sanctioned and supported by probable cause. What right was granted for this government to track the location and numbers of hundreds of millions of American citizens?

Do liberals hear how incredibly hypocritical they sound right now?

They were barely able to live through the horror just a few short years ago when those "evil monsters" Bush and Cheney were recording suspected terrorists cell usage, yet now they're defending and supporting the unwarranted search and seizure of American citizens who have nothing whatsoever to do with terrorism.

Aside from electing a golf-addict, what the hell has changed? Bush tracked suspected terrorists and the left went nuts. Obama is tracking law-abiding American citizens and the left is defending it.
What side are you nutballs on?
Bob

Big Rapids, MI

#60 Jun 9, 2013
Oneal wrote:
<quoted text>
Who cares whether I was against it or not, Beaner? I provided evidence that other, far more public and influential, voices sounded off against it making your point about as effective as, well, just about anything of the worthless garbage you post here.
You just make crap up as you go. It never changes with you liberals.
I don't think at the time Bush passed the PATRIOT Act I had an opinion one way or another. Did I care that our government was spying on people who were suspected f terrorist activities? No.
Do I care that it's been uncovered that our government is spying on hundreds of millions of American's cellphone use? YES - and if you weren't such a liberal pussssy you would too.
Liberals are truly ignorant.
Got It..........

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