Shot GVSU student to face drug charges

Shot GVSU student to face drug charges

There are 692 comments on the WOOD-TV Grand Rapids and Michigan story from Apr 15, 2009, titled Shot GVSU student to face drug charges. In it, WOOD-TV Grand Rapids and Michigan reports that:

Derek Copp, the GVSU student shot by an Ottawa County deputy in a pot bust on March 11, will appear in court next week.

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say what

Denver, CO

#692 May 9, 2009
GR Pete wrote:
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Wrong they always go back and cook and mow the lawn again.
Yes, but do they injure themselves with said items repeatedly? Most don't. Those that do, deserve what they get and are not the brightest bulbs in the chandelier....hey, they have something in common with drug abusers that way.
Don't know about you, Pete, but most folks only had to burn their hand on a hot stove once to figure out that was a bad idea and never do it again.
say what

Denver, CO

#693 May 9, 2009
Parks and Rec wrote:
Lol, and what study is this from?
You do understand the difference between 'study' and 'data collection', right?
You also understand that in data collection, no controls are required since you are looking for data/ocurrances related to a specific subject, right?
Onedoer

Lansing, MI

#694 May 9, 2009
I saw nothing in the papers published by the media that indicated the "operation" was a high level distribution center that might be armed and ready to defend themselves. NOTHING to indicate the raiding officers should be prepared to SHOOT. I think there is something wrong with the training that teaches officers that the only way to apprehend an offender is to knock him around and when you get him on the ground with your foot on his throat and then say, "Lets talk."
Even if the officer gets time, which I think is unlikely, Copp will be in their gunsights forever. If he causes one of their own to be punished he is marked.

“ACLU--Jihad with a law degree”

Since: Sep 08

Lovington, NM

#695 May 9, 2009
Allegan Redneck wrote:
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I minored in applied statistics, data doesn't intimidate me. This is good interval level data, it shows the relative frequency of groupsacross a population, in this case 1.69 million ER visits. However this is not ratio data, it does not explain the relationship between those groups. The data collection methodology simply did not control for it. As such you have individual drug classes being over-represented. Consider Table 12, note how the total number of drug visits reported is 991,000 but when you total the frequency of each drug group it adds up to 1.34 million.
I performed a t-test between Tables 11 and 12 using the %95 confidence interval and the same Error of the Estimate reported in the study's abstract. Assuming a standard normal distribution, the total number of ER visits resulting from marijuana alone is 84,212 out of 1.69 million visits reported. That's about 4.9%. In other words if you and I were betting on the next drug vicitm to enter the ER and you were betting 'pot' and I was betting 'booze': I'd have to give you 7 to 1 odds on your money. If it was Coke vs. pot I'd have to give you 4 to 1.
Ya know, I was going to say the same thing, but since you did all that work, there's no point.

“Aut viam inveniam aut faciam ”

Since: Feb 08

Muskegon

#696 May 11, 2009
Allegan Redneck wrote:
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I minored in applied statistics, data doesn't intimidate me. This is good interval level data, it shows the relative frequency of groupsacross a population, in this case 1.69 million ER visits. However this is not ratio data, it does not explain the relationship between those groups. The data collection methodology simply did not control for it. As such you have individual drug classes being over-represented. Consider Table 12, note how the total number of drug visits reported is 991,000 but when you total the frequency of each drug group it adds up to 1.34 million.
I performed a t-test between Tables 11 and 12 using the %95 confidence interval and the same Error of the Estimate reported in the study's abstract. Assuming a standard normal distribution, the total number of ER visits resulting from marijuana alone is 84,212 out of 1.69 million visits reported. That's about 4.9%. In other words if you and I were betting on the next drug vicitm to enter the ER and you were betting 'pot' and I was betting 'booze': I'd have to give you 7 to 1 odds on your money. If it was Coke vs. pot I'd have to give you 4 to 1.
There are lies, damn lies, and statistics.

-Benjamin Disraeli
Allegan Redneck

United States

#697 May 11, 2009
say what wrote:
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And all this shows that ER visits related to Marijuana are not increasing how, exactly?
I don't make that claim. Marijuana ER visits may be increasing, they may be decreasing, they may be unchanged, but I can't demonstrate any trend using this data because it's lacks the validity to draw those inferences.
Allegan Redneck

United States

#698 May 11, 2009
TheKaisho42 wrote:
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There are lies, damn lies, and statistics.
-Benjamin Disraeli
There are no bad statistics, just bad statisticians.

-Allegan Redneck
Parks and Rec

Iowa City, IA

#699 May 11, 2009
say what wrote:
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You do understand the difference between 'study' and 'data collection', right?
You also understand that in data collection, no controls are required since you are looking for data/ocurrances related to a specific subject, right?
How was the data collected? Who collected the data? What were the specifications?

No, just some random 'statistic' that fits an agenda.

“Have a nice day!”

Since: Apr 08

Location hidden

#700 May 11, 2009
The kid had pot? He was shot, that should be enough punishment. Usually kids just get a slap on the wrist.

Since: Sep 08

United States

#701 May 11, 2009
mama knows wrote:
The kid had pot? He was shot, that should be enough punishment. Usually kids just get a slap on the wrist.
Not in Ottawa County, shot first, questions later.
Parks and Rec

Iowa City, IA

#702 May 12, 2009
GR Pete wrote:
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Not in Ottawa County, shot first, questions later.
I think it's shoot first, blame the victim, prosecute the victim, get off w/ a slap on the wrist and screw the questions.

Since: Sep 08

United States

#703 May 12, 2009
Parks and Rec wrote:
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I think it's shoot first, blame the victim, prosecute the victim, get off w/ a slap on the wrist and screw the questions.
Shoot is the policy, shot is what happened.

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