Bob

Big Rapids, MI

#162 Sep 9, 2013
Go Blue Forever wrote:
<quoted text>I'd guess, based on his rhetoric...we would have troops on the ground in Syria, and possibly Libya...if not elsewhere, also....
The real question is how our local patriots would feel about it.

They were all in favor of Herr Bush and the invasion of Iraq. According to some of them, Saddam's stockpiles of WMDs were sent to Syria, which didn't make Dubyah a liar after all. It would make me think that they would be in favor of trying to wipe out these weapons now.

Forget Libya.... What about Iran, which according to McCain's little song he wanted to be bomb, bomb, bombed!
Batch 37 Pain Is Good

Southfield, MI

#163 Sep 9, 2013
Mr Wiggley wrote:
<quoted text>
Eisenhower put us there, not JFK.
To be fair you are right but it was a small advisor team then......
Batch 37 Pain Is Good

Southfield, MI

#164 Sep 9, 2013
Bob wrote:
<quoted text>
The real question is how our local patriots would feel about it.
They were all in favor of Herr Bush and the invasion of Iraq. According to some of them, Saddam's stockpiles of WMDs were sent to Syria, which didn't make Dubyah a liar after all. It would make me think that they would be in favor of trying to wipe out these weapons now.
Forget Libya.... What about Iran, which according to McCain's little song he wanted to be bomb, bomb, bombed!
How do you function Bobbie...... Syria does not want to expand it's borders...... Saddam did...... Big difference......
Ron

United States

#165 Sep 9, 2013
Go Blue Forever wrote:
Yeah.....whatever.....I'm saying if our elected representatives, and military and intelligence leadership, are prohibited from using their arsenal.....againest a dictator that has gassed innocent people...that has used chemical weapons, in violation of a ban we promoted, signed and then ratified by Congress....then we should seriously look to downsize our military complex and drawback from our being a Global Military Presence.....If we truly cannot do the right thing, and help the helpless, because it's not our business, or that their is nothing to gain by it....then let's budget with that concept in mind....concentrate our military inward, rather than outward....and save the Trillions of dollars taxpayers have been paying for an overblown military complex, forever at idle......
Didn't we help the good people of Iraq from being tortured and slaughtered by Saddam and his kids? Why would you of been against that then?
Oneal

Detroit, MI

#166 Sep 9, 2013
Bob wrote:
Would this be the time to consider what the attitudes would be if John McCain was now into his second term?
I'm pretty sure that I'd still be against all of these Middle East wars.
How about all of you former chicken-hawks that thought the Iraq war was not only a great idea, but that we shouldn't have left?
That's like saying, I wonder if babe Ruth were playing today, or what if the captain of the titanic would have heeded to ice berg warnings...
You can't possibly know the differences in our positions, how our enemies would have reacted, or if Syria would even be an issue at this point had McCain been elected in 2008.
I get that all you're doing is looking to tweak conservatives' noses-as that's all you come here for- but it's not a fair question.
Ron

United States

#167 Sep 9, 2013
Oneal wrote:
<quoted text>That's like saying, I wonder if babe Ruth were playing today, or what if the captain of the titanic would have heeded to ice berg warnings...
You can't possibly know the differences in our positions, how our enemies would have reacted, or if Syria would even be an issue at this point had McCain been elected in 2008.
I get that all you're doing is looking to tweak conservatives' noses-as that's all you come here for- but it's not a fair question.
McCain would of done something earlier like he was pushing Obama to do. The rebels would have most Likely won by now and the chemicals most likely would not have been used. Not to mention Americas word would probably have been more respected in the world now.

Since: Oct 12

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#168 Sep 9, 2013
Ron wrote:
<quoted text>
Didn't we help the good people of Iraq from being tortured and slaughtered by Saddam and his kids? Why would you of been against that then?
Punishing Saddam....and a ground war and nation building, are vastly different items.....

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#169 Sep 9, 2013
Batch 37 Pain Is Good wrote:
<quoted text>How do you function Bobbie...... Syria does not want to expand it's borders...... Saddam did...... Big difference......
Saddam was about punishing Kuwait for a slight and showing him dishonor, not expand his borders.....
Batch 37 Pain Is Good

Southfield, MI

#170 Sep 9, 2013
Go Blue Forever wrote:
<quoted text>Saddam was about punishing Kuwait for a slight and showing him dishonor, not expand his borders.....
He also fought a 10 year war with Iran to expand his borders and oil interest there...... He had a little history of doing those things...... Why did the Sauds allow us bases on there land........
Oneal

Three Rivers, MI

#171 Sep 9, 2013
It's OK everyone, Kerry is now promising the attack will be "unbelievably small".

http://news.yahoo.com/-kerry-vows-%25E2%2580%...

Yea, he actually said that! Now we're quantifying the size of our attacks on other countries as an appealing reason to do so. Unbelievably small?? Try unbelievably bad leadership.
Ron

United States

#172 Sep 9, 2013
Ron wrote:
<quoted text>McCain would of done something earlier like he was pushing Obama to do. The rebels would have most Likely won by now and the chemicals most likely would not have been used. Not to mention Americas word would probably have been more respected in the world now.
What about this comment Blue?
Batch 37 Pain Is Good

Southfield, MI

#173 Sep 9, 2013
The O was a mistake made by people who do not history and pay no income tax....... There ought to be a test or standard of intelligence....... Tax the poor.....

“Selected Marksman”

Since: Aug 08

Northern Virginia

#174 Sep 9, 2013
Go Blue Forever wrote:
<quoted text>Isn't that really how our system is supposed to work, though? I would'nt expect the public's input about reacting to terrorism, foreign detente or intricate, military operations, be considered as important as those pro's in position, much more equipped to make those decisions...It should'nt be like, America's Got Talent, where the viewers decide on the attack....you must agree, right?....Also, here is an idea, if they decide againest a military attack, in fact to do nothing.....could'nt we then cut huge amounts from our military funding? What would the point of maintaining costly overseas bases and a global presence?
I can't help but comment on your repeated reference to "those pro's in position".
Only about 20% of congress are from the Military. I'd sincerely question your calling them "pro's".
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/w...

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#175 Sep 9, 2013
Mr Wiggley wrote:
<quoted text>
I can't help but comment on your repeated reference to "those pro's in position".
Only about 20% of congress are from the Military. I'd sincerely question your calling them "pro's".
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/w...
Do they get paid well, to make decisions of national interest and security?...Off topic, but on the national forum, someone had an interview, carried on over several months, between Saddam and an FBI Agent, originally from Jordan....it was fascinating....turn's out much of the Kuwait attack was actually about an islamic insult deal.....

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#176 Sep 9, 2013
Ron wrote:
<quoted text>
What about this comment Blue?
I appreciate your view on what might have happened, and i agree McCain is an extreme hawk.....but as i have told many...I'm not into...what ifs?....I just don't see American's sticking with the "do nothing" attitude forever...We've just never wanted to be those people....When you think about, would we have done something about the Holocaust or the Khymer Rouge and Pol Pot....if we knew immediately that it was occuring?.....I would like to think we would....but, who knows anymore.....Wonder how you'd look your friends in the eye, going to Church, if do nothing was your answer?
Bob

Big Rapids, MI

#177 Sep 9, 2013
Oneal wrote:
<quoted text>
That's like saying, I wonder if babe Ruth were playing today, or what if the captain of the titanic would have heeded to ice berg warnings...
You can't possibly know the differences in our positions, how our enemies would have reacted, or if Syria would even be an issue at this point had McCain been elected in 2008.
I get that all you're doing is looking to tweak conservatives' noses-as that's all you come here for- but it's not a fair question.
Wrong.

This question was brought up earlier on several other forums. If you were one of those backers of Herr Bush's invasion of Iraq because of Saddam's ownership of WMDs, then why don't you back the strike against Assad's weapons this time?

Not that it may matter. After Kerry's comment on Assad turning over those WMDs to international control so they can be destroyed, even Russia is seeing a light at the end of the tunnel.

“Selected Marksman”

Since: Aug 08

Northern Virginia

#178 Sep 9, 2013
Go Blue Forever wrote:
<quoted text>Do they get paid well, to make decisions of national interest and security?...Off topic, but on the national forum, someone had an interview, carried on over several months, between Saddam and an FBI Agent, originally from Jordan....it was fascinating....turn's out much of the Kuwait attack was actually about an islamic insult deal.....
Yes Blue, I have stated many times that we have the best government that money can buy. Where the money comes from is not too hard to figure out and what that money does to influence them isn't either.
As far as their military experience...the evidence speaks for itself...zip, nadda, zero.

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#179 Sep 9, 2013
Bob wrote:
<quoted text>
Wrong.
This question was brought up earlier on several other forums. If you were one of those backers of Herr Bush's invasion of Iraq because of Saddam's ownership of WMDs, then why don't you back the strike against Assad's weapons this time?
Not that it may matter. After Kerry's comment on Assad turning over those WMDs to international control so they can be destroyed, even Russia is seeing a light at the end of the tunnel.
Assad is impressive, a TERRORIST that wears $1000 suits and speaks decent english.....beware of what Putin and him might cook up, just to save Assad's ass and make Putin look good.....

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#180 Sep 9, 2013
Mr Wiggley wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes Blue, I have stated many times that we have the best government that money can buy. Where the money comes from is not too hard to figure out and what that money does to influence them isn't either.
As far as their military experience...the evidence speaks for itself...zip, nadda, zero.
The main point in my reply to you was....them they are PROFESSIONALS.....right?
Ron

United States

#181 Sep 9, 2013
Go Blue Forever wrote:
<quoted text>I appreciate your view on what might have happened, and i agree McCain is an extreme hawk.....but as i have told many...I'm not into...what ifs?....I just don't see American's sticking with the "do nothing" attitude forever...We've just never wanted to be those people....When you think about, would we have done something about the Holocaust or the Khymer Rouge and Pol Pot....if we knew immediately that it was occuring?.....I would like to think we would....but, who knows anymore.....Wonder how you'd look your friends in the eye, going to Church, if do nothing was your answer?
Sounds like Obama is starting to turn toward do nothing. You must not have gotten the up date

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