Do you think Obama is a socialist?

Created by What on Aug 15, 2008

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Yes

No, he's a communist

“Information doesn't kill you.”

Since: Apr 08

Grand Blanc, MI

#163 Aug 21, 2008
aimNfire wrote:
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Yea, well sometimes the F-bomb is the most appropiate response to a rude reply like yours.
In short, you very much deserved it
Okay, thanks for the morality lesson.

Since: Jul 08

Grand Rapids, MI

#164 Aug 21, 2008
Seenitbefore wrote:
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Can you honestly show me where this capitalistic system could have survived, much less flourished, WITHOUT a "socialist" base to support it? And please don't wear me out any more with this we have to have some level of socialism. Sure, the level that benefits only those in the ways they want it to. Socialistic is socialistic. No matter to what degree.
And for crying out loud, enough of this the richest pay the most in taxes. In amount YES. In percentage, meaning the amount left over to survive the economy, NO. Since when does 15%(tax) on millions of dollars equate to 15% of thousands in what's left to pay ones way with? If you and a friend go to see a movie and you have $50.00 and your friend has $500.00, the tickets cost you both 15% of what you each have, who's going to pay the most and who's going to have the most left over. One of you is going out to diner afterwards and one isn't. Care to make a guess which is which.
No I'm not trying to say the rich should "redistribute" the wealth...as you call it. What I am trying to get at is there is a point where even with a straight percentage those with the most are ALWAYS going to be contributing the most in a straight dollar amount. So this the wealthiest pay the most is a dodge argument. The is zero excuse for someone who labors 40+ hours per week paying 15% in taxes on their income and someone who only collects their millions in investment income while they laze around the pool waiting for their deposits to be made paying 15% income tax. All the while they are getting tax breaks and the laborer gets NONE.
And again not defending. The reason that no one will ever know the true result of Communism in the USSR is because like the U.S. the people at the top took the most out of the (economic) system. And they spent like drunken sailors on military and trying to capture the rest of the world. Eisenhower called it, for the U.S., the military industrial complex. Do you really think their military industry leaders didn't make a butt load? Who will ever know what their outcome would have been had they followed the precepts of Communism.
There is reasonable proof around the modern world where, ach, "socialism" is working well. As well as our economic system. There are the super rich in socialistic systems as well. Plus there are the very poor in those systems as well.
The wealthiest 1 percent of the population earn 19 per­cent of the income but pay 37 percent of the income tax.

The top 10 percent pay 68 percent of the tab.

The bottom 50 percent—those below the median income level—now earn 13 percent of the income but pay just 3 percent of the taxes.

Everyone is paying thier fair share. I'm not sure what you point is - if you work 40 hours a week of manual labor that should equal no tax?

Socialism working is all relative to what you are talking about. You can't look at the EU, you must look at individual European countries.

Thier economies are far worse then ours. They have sky high unemployment and slow growth. Taxes are near 40% on everything.

Remember when all those "arab immigrants" were rioting in Paris? Do you know remember why they were rioting?

No jobs becuase employers have a hard time firing anyone for performance since everyone's given a job.

Socialism in Europe is like one huge Public School System run by the Teachers Union.

Quality and peformance are garabage.

I'll take capitalism any day over what they got over there.

“Information doesn't kill you.”

Since: Apr 08

Grand Blanc, MI

#165 Aug 21, 2008
aimNfire wrote:
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Socialism in Europe is like one huge Public School System run by the Teachers Union.
Quality and peformance are garabage.
You appear to be proof that the public schools HAVE done a horrible job with many students. I stand kerekt-ted. I should be ashamed of myself for ever becoming a special ed teacher in a public school. Why did I choose public schools? For the most part, private schools don't offer special education.
Mark

Knoxville, TN

#166 Aug 21, 2008
aimNfire wrote:
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The wealthiest 1 percent of the population earn 19 per­cent of the income but pay 37 percent of the income tax.
The top 10 percent pay 68 percent of the tab.
The bottom 50 percent—those below the median income level—now earn 13 percent of the income but pay just 3 percent of the taxes.
Everyone is paying thier fair share. I'm not sure what you point is - if you work 40 hours a week of manual labor that should equal no tax?
Socialism working is all relative to what you are talking about. You can't look at the EU, you must look at individual European countries.
Thier economies are far worse then ours. They have sky high unemployment and slow growth. Taxes are near 40% on everything.
Remember when all those "arab immigrants" were rioting in Paris? Do you know remember why they were rioting?
No jobs becuase employers have a hard time firing anyone for performance since everyone's given a job.
Socialism in Europe is like one huge Public School System run by the Teachers Union.
Quality and peformance are garabage.
I'll take capitalism any day over what they got over there.
Forget it aim, it'll never sink in.

Since: Jul 08

Grand Rapids, MI

#167 Aug 21, 2008
GR Teacher wrote:
<quoted text>You appear to be proof that the public schools HAVE done a horrible job with many students. I stand kerekt-ted. I should be ashamed of myself for ever becoming a special ed teacher in a public school. Why did I choose public schools? For the most part, private schools don't offer special education.
So you are agreeing that Public Schools do a horrible job teaching our children?

“Information doesn't kill you.”

Since: Apr 08

Grand Blanc, MI

#168 Aug 21, 2008
aimNfire wrote:
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So you are agreeing that Public Schools do a horrible job teaching our children?
If you are a product of one, then yes, there is proof that there are some failures.

Since: Jul 08

Grand Rapids, MI

#169 Aug 21, 2008
GR Teacher wrote:
<quoted text>If you are a product of one, then yes, there is proof that there are some failures.
Oh, yes i am a product of Public Schools. West Michigan Public Schools too.

And if i would be considered a failure to the public schools, the Public School system could only wish to fail this much, that's for sure.

Nice try

Since: Jun 08

Caledonia, MI

#170 Aug 21, 2008
GR Teacher wrote:
<quoted text>Maybe you should have been paddled more than once?!? Apparently that was not enough to knock any sense into you.
What part of Red Fists' post does not make sense to you teacher. I thought it was brilliant and dead on the mark. Perfect. Correct. Public schools are horrible, lack of respect, lack of discipline, and the children are not even required to sit up straight in a chair. They should be made to at least to that. I sure would not be proud of the President if he could not lift his head and arms off the table at an international conference, for example.

Since: Mar 08

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#171 Aug 21, 2008
Red_Fist wrote:
No teacher no.
I went to a Christian school, we had no lockers, we didn't cuss and swear, and guess what.
The principal took us to the janitors room with a paddle.It happened to me once, but guess what, he never paddled me.I bet he did that to all the kids who got called out for trouble making or swearing.Mabye he did paddle me I don't remember, but I do remember one thing, I never got called to the pricipals office again.
Unlike all your wishy washy crap these so called "schools" have to offer.
It took till 11th grade to get where I left off in the eighth grade in public school.
I bet those schools work off of 1/10th the budget than your blessed public high and the rest.
Kids (teens) NEED to be treated like they are something which includes classes so damn difficult they go insane.
And you don't need one damn dime, nor a union, unless you are concerned about YOURSELF and YOUR job.I would teach for minimum wage and still feel I was getting a deal. and NO benefits either.
As for respect, I don't respect when I see millions going down the sewer for sports, it's a chump out class everybody knows it.
So how about respect for the people donating the cash (tax) to churn out some Einsteins, instead of this pathetic pitiful low graduate totals, no excuse at all.
I dont need a principle to paddle my child. I dont need a school to show my child how to act, thats my job. I dont need a school to teach my child morals or values.

IF a principle did lay a hand on my child I would make sure he walked funny for the rest of his life.

“Information doesn't kill you.”

Since: Apr 08

Grand Blanc, MI

#172 Aug 21, 2008
ShouldaWouldaCoulda wrote:
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What part of Red Fists' post does not make sense to you teacher. I thought it was brilliant and dead on the mark. Perfect. Correct. Public schools are horrible, lack of respect, lack of discipline, and the children are not even required to sit up straight in a chair. They should be made to at least to that. I sure would not be proud of the President if he could not lift his head and arms off the table at an international conference, for example.
In many of red fists posts, I find him to be ignorant and offensive, I was merely stating that maybe he should have been paddled more than once. I would also like to ask all of you close minded individuals that blindly attack teachers... Do you value your job? Do you look out for yourselves and your families? Yeah, me too. Don't fault me for looking out for my own as well.

As far as a president not being able to lift his arms and head off the table. Is that a knock on McCain, as he does have difficulty lifting his arms after having been a POW. I assume you were trying to be funny, but that could be construed as offensive.

I am thinking about changing my name so I too can justify being an opinionated a$$ on these forums and not having to defend my profession at every step. Red fist, aimnfire, and the rest of you, what do you fine citizens do for a living? Just curious.

Since: Jun 08

Caledonia, MI

#173 Aug 21, 2008
GR Teacher wrote:
<quoted text>In many of red fists posts, I find him to be ignorant and offensive, I was merely stating that maybe he should have been paddled more than once. I would also like to ask all of you close minded individuals that blindly attack teachers... Do you value your job? Do you look out for yourselves and your families? Yeah, me too. Don't fault me for looking out for my own as well.
As far as a president not being able to lift his arms and head off the table. Is that a knock on McCain, as he does have difficulty lifting his arms after having been a POW. I assume you were trying to be funny, but that could be construed as offensive.
I am thinking about changing my name so I too can justify being an opinionated **** on these forums and not having to defend my profession at every step. Red fist, aimnfire, and the rest of you, what do you fine citizens do for a living? Just curious.
I own a small business and employ 19 people. I was referring to the poor posture expected of students and that it would be distasteful and inappropriate for people in positions of respect to have poor posture. It had Nothing to do with politics and POW/war issues. It had everything to do with how pathetic children dress and act these days - and by the way, I do not place blame on teachers. If there is blame, it is rooted in our society somehow. I will be voting NOT for Mr. Obama, just FYI.
Taxpayer

Denver, CO

#174 Aug 21, 2008
The Real Deal wrote:
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Maybe WE HAVE TO SPEAK LOUDER! Thats the only way you Republicans will listen. Your probolly a rich business owner. You need to PAY MORE IN TAXES so the little guy wont suffer so much. GR Teacher, you just keep doing what your doing!
We might listen better if you'd learn to spell.

Since: Jul 08

Grand Rapids, MI

#175 Aug 21, 2008
Whuteva wrote:
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I dont need a principle to paddle my child. I dont need a school to show my child how to act, thats my job. I dont need a school to teach my child morals or values.
Your children may not need it, but there are many children that are NOT learning those things at home.

Since: Jun 08

Caledonia, MI

#176 Aug 21, 2008
Whuteva wrote:
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I dont need a principle to paddle my child. I dont need a school to show my child how to act, thats my job. I dont need a school to teach my child morals or values.
IF a principle did lay a hand on my child I would make sure he walked funny for the rest of his life.
principal

Since: Jul 08

Grand Rapids, MI

#177 Aug 21, 2008
GR Teacher wrote:
<quoted text>In many of red fists posts, I find him to be ignorant and offensive, I was merely stating that maybe he should have been paddled more than once. I would also like to ask all of you close minded individuals that blindly attack teachers... Do you value your job? Do you look out for yourselves and your families? Yeah, me too. Don't fault me for looking out for my own as well.
As far as a president not being able to lift his arms and head off the table. Is that a knock on McCain, as he does have difficulty lifting his arms after having been a POW. I assume you were trying to be funny, but that could be construed as offensive.
I am thinking about changing my name so I too can justify being an opinionated **** on these forums and not having to defend my profession at every step. Red fist, aimnfire, and the rest of you, what do you fine citizens do for a living? Just curious.
Listen teacher. Grow up and grow some balls.

I have never knocked the profession of being a teacher. I have never knocked being a special ed teacher.

I have knocked Teacher's Unions and Public Schools. If you feel incline to defend them fine, go for it. But then don't cry about defending your "profession".

Your profession is being a Teacher, not the Teachers Union.

Grow up a bit and be a big boy.

And to answer your question. I went to public school. Then went to a liberal arts college. Graduated with a bachelors in business.

Started my own company in 1995, 1 year out of graduation. Sold it. Started a new company in 1997 which i currently run for the past 11 years and employ about 12 other people with good salaries and great benefits. Go ahead and call me a failure.

Since: Jul 08

Grand Rapids, MI

#178 Aug 21, 2008
ShouldaWouldaCoulda wrote:
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I own a small business and employ 19 people. I was referring to the poor posture expected of students and that it would be distasteful and inappropriate for people in positions of respect to have poor posture. It had Nothing to do with politics and POW/war issues. It had everything to do with how pathetic children dress and act these days - and by the way, I do not place blame on teachers. If there is blame, it is rooted in our society somehow. I will be voting NOT for Mr. Obama, just FYI.
It's not teachers fault, its the unions fault. Education has had more and more money thrown it at every year. Every President budgets more and more money.

Whenever you have a profession where peoples occupation and income is not directly tied to performance you're going to have bad teachers which equals bad students.

Couple that with the lack of parental guideance and the breakdown of the core family and it's beyond broke, beyond being fixed.

We should implement vouchers for everyone and force change.
tom

Greenville, MI

#179 Aug 21, 2008
duh...ya, don't you?
Batch37 Pain Is Good

United States

#180 Aug 21, 2008
Obama is a mixture of Socialist and Marxist. He is running an ad that is critical of McCains ownership of seven homes. The concept of investment in real estate or the stock market is lost on Obama. He would take away and give to someone else.

Since: Jun 08

Caledonia, MI

#181 Aug 21, 2008
aimNfire wrote:
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It's not teachers fault, its the unions fault. Education has had more and more money thrown it at every year. Every President budgets more and more money.
Whenever you have a profession where peoples occupation and income is not directly tied to performance you're going to have bad teachers which equals bad students.
Couple that with the lack of parental guideance and the breakdown of the core family and it's beyond broke, beyond being fixed.
We should implement vouchers for everyone and force change.
In my post that you replied to, I specifically stated that I do not blame teachers. Read each sentence before commenting please.

Since: Jul 08

Grand Rapids, MI

#183 Aug 21, 2008
ShouldaWouldaCoulda wrote:
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In my post that you replied to, I specifically stated that I do not blame teachers. Read each sentence before commenting please.
I know, i was echoing your statements

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