Do you think Obama is a socialist?

Created by What on Aug 15, 2008

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“Information doesn't kill you.”

Since: Apr 08

Grand Blanc, MI

#184 Aug 21, 2008
aimNfire wrote:
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Listen teacher. Grow up and grow some balls.
I have never knocked the profession of being a teacher. I have never knocked being a special ed teacher.
I have knocked Teacher's Unions and Public Schools. If you feel incline to defend them fine, go for it. But then don't cry about defending your "profession".
Your profession is being a Teacher, not the Teachers Union.
Grow up a bit and be a big boy.
And to answer your question. I went to public school. Then went to a liberal arts college. Graduated with a bachelors in business.
Started my own company in 1995, 1 year out of graduation. Sold it. Started a new company in 1997 which i currently run for the past 11 years and employ about 12 other people with good salaries and great benefits. Go ahead and call me a failure.
Thank you for being honest, rather than just someone who speaks talking points from talk radio. You see, we both come from different angles. Of course you want republicans in office as a small business owner. Of course you want the SBT gone, these things improve your outlook. I want Democrats in office... I want NCLB removed or changed dramatically, because I believe that politicians should not govern education, because these improve my outlook. We all see the world from where we are standing and it causes biases in all that we do.

As far as my conservative leanings, I am personally pro-life, though it is not something I put weight on when voting for a candidate. I agree that the military should be larger and stronger, but like you have issues with unions, I have severe issues with corporations such as Halliburton and Blackwater. And seriously, I do like our system of measurement vs. the metric system.

I jump on people's cases when people get on mine about education when it is in a thread that has nothing to do with unions or education. I have some issues with the way people try to tell me what the Framer's meant with the 2nd Amendment. I disagree. I don't own a gun nor do I intend to. I don't think it gives others the right to own a machine gun and I believe in stricter gun laws, but despite your picture and your moniker, I don't attempt to make my views known on that every time I disagree with you.

Nor do I make wise-cracks about communists or people that are into deviant sexual behaviors when I have discourse with Red_Fist. All I can picture is some little Chinese guy that is into some kinky stuff.

Since: Jun 08

Caledonia, MI

#185 Aug 21, 2008
Batch37 Pain Is Good wrote:
Obama is a mixture of Socialist and Marxist. He is running an ad that is critical of McCains ownership of seven homes. The concept of investment in real estate or the stock market is lost on Obama. He would take away and give to someone else.
I agree. Obama is scary.

“DRILL FOR OIL?, "YES WE CAN"”

Since: Jul 08

Cannonsburg, MI

#186 Aug 21, 2008
GR Teacher wrote:
<quoted text>You appear to be proof that the public schools HAVE done a horrible job with many students. I stand kerekt-ted. I should be ashamed of myself for ever becoming a special ed teacher in a public school. Why did I choose public schools? For the most part, private schools don't offer special education.
Meaning you agree that public schools are inferior, otherwise you would go to a private school.

I think if your house were to burn down, you should have paid the firemen and it's union tons more cash.
The words "teacher" and "union" is contradictory to being a public servant.

shameful

“Information doesn't kill you.”

Since: Apr 08

Grand Blanc, MI

#187 Aug 21, 2008
Red_Fist wrote:
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Meaning you agree that public schools are inferior, otherwise you would go to a private school.
I think if your house were to burn down, you should have paid the firemen and it's union tons more cash.
The words "teacher" and "union" is contradictory to being a public servant.
shameful
I said that public schools have failed some students. I teach in a public school because private/parochial schools do not offer education to students with disabilities and impairments as severe as those exhibited by my students.

Let me guess, you too are self-employed?
The Real Deal

Grand Rapids, MI

#188 Aug 21, 2008
Mark wrote:
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I can't let this one by, and I cannot believe everybody missed it.
'To each according to their needs.' IS not the American Way, it's right out of Karl Marx, The Communist Manifesto. TO complete the quote: From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs.
If you think this is America, our education system is completely reprogramming our own to be our enemy.
Here's a question for you. How did Communism work for USSR after WWII, until it's eventual collapse?
Answer, 45 years of bread lines, abject poverty. Long lines just to get essentials like toilet paper.
Redistribute wealth? Socialism? WE are suffering because Granhole doesn't have a freaking clue.
You keep saying the little guy needs help and your taxes are too high? If you are in a lower tax bracket- you pay the LEAST amount of taxes, while the highest tax brackets are paid by the richest people.
And the prize goes to........"Mark". Mark, I have been baiting people for almost a week now. I (as the "Real Deal" - with intentional miss-spellings) have been taking the contrarian stance on this topic. I have also been posting under the name "What" (I made this poll). The sad thing about this whole debate is that some people actually agreed with "The Real Deal". Sad, isn't it.

“Information doesn't kill you.”

Since: Apr 08

Grand Blanc, MI

#189 Aug 21, 2008
The Real Deal wrote:
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And the prize goes to........"Mark". Mark, I have been baiting people for almost a week now. I (as the "Real Deal" - with intentional miss-spellings) have been taking the contrarian stance on this topic. I have also been posting under the name "What" (I made this poll). The sad thing about this whole debate is that some people actually agreed with "The Real Deal". Sad, isn't it.
So you could be an imbecile AND a moron;)

“DRILL FOR OIL?, "YES WE CAN"”

Since: Jul 08

Newaygo, MI

#190 Aug 21, 2008
GR Teacher wrote:
<quoted text>I said that public schools have failed some students. I teach in a public school because private/parochial schools do not offer education to students with disabilities and impairments as severe as those exhibited by my students.
Let me guess, you too are self-employed?
But if some private school did have special ed, you compared them to not having, stipulating the fact if they did you would prefer private school.

I am sure you are a fine teacher, and you do deserve extra credit for taking on special ed students.My beef isn't with the teachers or even more cash, it would be the results.You picked a tough teaching job, compared to teaching regular kids.

People don't deserve the right for more money, all because they squawk about it.My heaping on the money is from tax payers who expect all smart kids, THEN you could say they need or even deserve more cash.

All I am saying is between swimming pools, and piles and piles of cash dumped on sports, and how I place how low of a grade on my "public" school diploma.I would not hand out one raise till it actually works.Heck even in the depression era our country did better at schooling.They even mentioned the word "God" back then, but churned out far better people.

All they need to do is increase the discipline level, something that matters and makes a difference to the kids.When I left, all I had to do was leave, no sweat, but i left because I thought their so called learning was pointless.Trust me I still don't care, and cutting out halfway through 12th grade was to prove a point, being all I need to do is show up was more ridiculous.

Then

Getting more money from the rest, just goes to waste.Put it this way, I bet they could create 30 all A-plus students, and not get one penny, is all I am saying.(work for free)

Yes self employed, and my goofy nick name came from waaay back playing Quake 1 first person shooter video game.It is supposed to sound tough but laughable, as in an Indian name like
heapem big red-fist, it was meant to be stupid and have gotten many teases about it, in game.
And I still use it for gaming.
Seenitbefore

Jenison, MI

#191 Aug 21, 2008
Mark wrote:
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Forget it aim, it'll never sink in.
I agree, it will never sink in. Just not in the direction you mean it to.

A friend of mine years ago was a statistician. I asked him what on earth about statistics interested him. His response was he could take the exact same numbers to "prove" each side right just by how the argument was framed.

“Information doesn't kill you.”

Since: Apr 08

Grand Blanc, MI

#192 Aug 21, 2008
Red_Fist wrote:
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But if some private school did have special ed, you compared them to not having, stipulating the fact if they did you would prefer private school.
I am sure you are a fine teacher, and you do deserve extra credit for taking on special ed students.My beef isn't with the teachers or even more cash, it would be the results.You picked a tough teaching job, compared to teaching regular kids.
People don't deserve the right for more money, all because they squawk about it.My heaping on the money is from tax payers who expect all smart kids, THEN you could say they need or even deserve more cash.
All I am saying is between swimming pools, and piles and piles of cash dumped on sports, and how I place how low of a grade on my "public" school diploma.I would not hand out one raise till it actually works.Heck even in the depression era our country did better at schooling.They even mentioned the word "God" back then, but churned out far better people.
All they need to do is increase the discipline level, something that matters and makes a difference to the kids.When I left, all I had to do was leave, no sweat, but i left because I thought their so called learning was pointless.Trust me I still don't care, and cutting out halfway through 12th grade was to prove a point, being all I need to do is show up was more ridiculous.
Then
Getting more money from the rest, just goes to waste.Put it this way, I bet they could create 30 all A-plus students, and not get one penny, is all I am saying.(work for free)
Yes self employed, and my goofy nick name came from waaay back playing Quake 1 first person shooter video game.It is supposed to sound tough but laughable, as in an Indian name like
heapem big red-fist, it was meant to be stupid and have gotten many teases about it, in game.
And I still use it for gaming.
I guess it is a better name than Running Sore. Thanks for your candid honesty. I tangle with many in these forums, but I am always trying to find out where they are coming from.

No, I am not saying that I would choose private schools, I am saying that it is not an option. I went to private schools K-12 myself, and will not send my own child there. You also seem stuck in this one size fits all mentality of No Child Left Behind. I think you were trying to say that if we worked for free and had to earn our money, we could have 30 A+ students. If that is what you are saying, you are sadly mistaken. Not all students are destined to be A students regardless of how much help they are given. That is reality. I am curious, what point did you prove by quitting school? I guessed that you are self-employed because each person who has bashed me in these forums for being a teacher and then turning it into bashing teacher unions has been self-employed. My hypothesis is that people who hated school, hate teachers, hate unions (groups of people working towards a common goal), and go off on people that disagree with them usually have some social adjustment issues, which is why they work for themselves, others don't want to hire them. Good luck. My advice is that you have one thing to learn... the world doesn't revolve around you. My proof... my two year old son seems pretty confident that it revolves around him.
Ignorant logic

Grand Rapids, MI

#193 Aug 21, 2008
WHAT AN INCREDIBLY SLANTED POLL. OR NOT.
NEITHER PRESIDENTIAL OPTION OFFERS ANY CHANGE.
OBAMA'S ADVISER ZBIGINIEW BREZINSKI HAS A HISTORY OF SUPPORTING THE CAMBODIAN GENOCIDE, MAO'S GENOCIDE, THE CREATION OF MUJAHADEEN (THE PRECURSOR TO THE TALIBAN), AS WELL AS MANY OTHER ATROCITIES.
OBAMA HAS OPENLY CALLED FOR STAZI STYLE CITIZEN'S INTELIGENCE AGENCIES AND YOUTH BRIGADES.
HE SITS ON THE CFR AND TRILATERAL COMMITTEE BOTH OF WHICH SHARE THE GOAL OF IMPLEMENTING MARXIST STYLE ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT. HE HAS NO INTENTION OF LEADING US OUT OF THE CRIMINAL, AND DISHONEST IRAQ CONFLICT. HE BACKS GEORGIA IN THE MOST FRAUDULENT OF GEOPOLITICAL STUNTS. GEORGIAN TROOPS WITH THE HELP OF AMERICAN AND ISRAELI SPECIAL FORCES SLAUGHTERED 2000 UNARMED CITIZENS, THEN USED AMERICAN MEDIA TO DECEIVE THE PUBLIC INTO BELIEVING RUSSIA WAS RESPONSIBLE.
THE GOVERNMENT HAS TURNED INTO FASCIST REGIME WHERE THE CHOICE OF TWO FRONT MEN WILL LEAD US TO THE SAME RESULT. THE TWO PARTIES ARE TOTALLY CONTROLLED BY WEALTHY ELITE WHO ARE STRENGTHENED BY A DIVIDED NATION, WHILE BOTH CHOICES ARE UNDER THEIR CONTROL.
PLEASE WAKE UP.
ObamaCommie

Byron Center, MI

#194 Aug 21, 2008
And the Devil has sent his full wrath upon humanity, knowing that he hath but a short time. 666 is the number of Obama.

“Information doesn't kill you.”

Since: Apr 08

Grand Blanc, MI

#195 Aug 21, 2008
Seenitbefore wrote:
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I agree, it will never sink in. Just not in the direction you mean it to.
A friend of mine years ago was a statistician. I asked him what on earth about statistics interested him. His response was he could take the exact same numbers to "prove" each side right just by how the argument was framed.
And as Vin Scully said, the problem with statistics is that people use statistics like a drunk uses a lamp post... for support rather than illumination.

“DRILL FOR OIL?, "YES WE CAN"”

Since: Jul 08

Newaygo, MI

#196 Aug 21, 2008
Seenitbefore wrote:
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I agree, it will never sink in. Just not in the direction you mean it to.
A friend of mine years ago was a statistician. I asked him what on earth about statistics interested him. His response was he could take the exact same numbers to "prove" each side right just by how the argument was framed.
Is that why I am always right, lol..........
Seenitbefore

Jenison, MI

#197 Aug 21, 2008
http://multinationalmonitor.org/mm2003/03may/...
"The most common measure used, and the most understandable is: what share of total wealth is owned by the richest households, typically the top 1 percent. In the United States, in the last survey year, 1998, the richest 1 percent of households owned 38 percent of all wealth.

This is the most easily understood measure.

There is also another measure called the Gini coefficient. It measures the concentration of wealth at different percentile levels, and does an overall computation. It is an index that goes from zero to one, one being the most unequal. Wealth inequality in the United States has a Gini coefficient of .82, which is pretty close to the maximum level of inequality you can have.

We are much more unequal than any other advanced industrial country.

Perhaps our closest rival in terms of inequality is Great Britain. But where the top percent in this country own 38 percent of all wealth, in Great Britain it is more like 22 or 23 percent.

What is remarkable is that this was not always the case. Up until the early 1970s, the U.S. actually had lower wealth inequality than Great Britain, and even than a country like Sweden. But things have really turned around over the last 25 or 30 years. In fact, a lot of countries have experienced lessening wealth inequality over time. The U.S. is atypical in that inequality has risen so sharply over the last 25 or 30 years."

http://www.endgame.org/primer-wealth.html
"The richest 1% of adults owned 40% of the world’s total assets in the year 2000. The richest 10% of adults accounted for 85% of total assets. The bottom half of the world adult population owned 1% of global wealth.(Source: World Institute for Development Economics Research,"

http://sociology.ucsc.edu/whorulesamerica/pow...
"In the United States, wealth is highly concentrated in a relatively few hands. As of 2001, the top 1% of households (the upper class) owned 33.4% of all privately held wealth, and the next 19%(the managerial, professional, and small business stratum) had 51%, which means that just 20% of the people owned a remarkable 84%, leaving only 16% of the wealth for the bottom 80%(wage and salary workers). In terms of financial wealth, the top 1% of households had an even greater share: 39.7%. Table 1 and Figure 1 present further details drawn from the careful work of economist Edward N. Wolff at New York University (2004)."

So of course the uneven distribution of wealth should regardless mean an even distribution of the tax burden.(sarcasm)
CHAD

Grand Rapids, MI

#198 Aug 22, 2008
What wrote:
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The Real Deal, you either have absolutely no education, or you are a college professor; which is it?
Both!!!

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