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Yeah,.......what was I thinking????
But then,.....maybe they are right,.....and EVERYTHING is Bush's fault?
LOL ... well that is a convenient little catchall for them - Just like demanding everyone who disagrees with them is a racist. It's easy, requires no thought or effort. The perfect solution for the OWS-style liberal set.

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Not to be as confrontational as it may seem Jim; it's a bit inconsistent to be saying it's time to stop the "blame game", while blaming the left for blaming Bush, and still being willing to blame Obama.
I agree; only a convoluted mind could be blaming Obama for the overt agitating antics of the pint size North Korean dictator.
Still there is much Bush IS accountable for what we are still suffering the effects.
As the Korean War was never ended I would have no problem with the U.S. sending in a few B-52s taking out every military installation in North Korea, along with the tiny minded bully dictator's house, if they take any overt military action. Not to kill him but force him to live in the squalor he has forced his own people to live in.
I see a huge difference in being reaction appropriate against North Korea under these circumstances than were taken against Iraq. I would prefer it not happen but... Maybe the Korean war would finally be ended rather than this 50+ year cease fire.
I should have seen this one!
Bush's fault,,,,,,blah,,,,,blah....
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Everytime I picture that I start laughing again.
Everytime I pucture you getting fisted, I laugh, too. See you soon for that o ring repair.
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My thoughts are that Bush was given a very difficult decision to make after terrorists flew airliners into the World Trade Center, killing thousands of innocent people - and he made it in what he AND CONGRESS thought in the best interest of America.
My thoughts are that congress approved the invasion of Iraq, including Hillary Clinton and Colin Powell. That's always been my thought. It's been my thought for all the years you people stuck like broken records on Iraq and Bush have brought it up, time after time, to garner votes, demonize your "enemies", and excuse Obama for his continuing to wage wars in the Middle East.
My thoughts are of candidate Obama standing smugly in front of Americans and excoriating Bush for waging wars in the Middle East and how he was going to bring our troops home, close GITMO, and solve America's foreign affair problems by "meeting" with our enemies. He campaigned on a decidedly anti-war platform.
My thoughts are of how different President Obama's actions compared to his campaign promises, and how liberals like SIB are artfully and cowardly attributing that to his "naivety and lack of information", and how smartasses like yourself are going to continue using Bush's invasion of Iraq in the same opportunistic manner as liberals have abused the "race card", not that you are really all that overwrought about the deaths of Americans (as evidenced by the Benghazi rug sweeping attitudes), or the plight of people truly victims of racism, but because it's a convenient way to shut the people up who don't happen to agree with your opinions.
Your "thoughts" are wholly inaccurate. Especially is the light of the facts presented by the history. That you haven't changed your thoughts in that light is disingenuous.

Colin Powell was duped by his own president and vice-president. That is one of the reasons he resigned as Secretary of State. His Commander in Chief used him to promote their ill gotten war. Instead of being a valued adviser in military matters to the president he was used as a shill.

You seem to believe it's such an easy thing to un-ring the bell(s) Bush rung and blame it on Obama for not doing it.

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Your "thoughts" are wholly inaccurate. Especially is the light of the facts presented by the history. That you haven't changed your thoughts in that light is disingenuous.
Colin Powell was duped by his own president and vice-president. That is one of the reasons he resigned as Secretary of State. His Commander in Chief used him to promote their ill gotten war. Instead of being a valued adviser in military matters to the president he was used as a shill.
You seem to believe it's such an easy thing to un-ring the bell(s) Bush rung and blame it on Obama for not doing it.
^5 SIB...right on.
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Your "thoughts" are wholly inaccurate. Especially is the light of the facts presented by the history. That you haven't changed your thoughts in that light is disingenuous.
Colin Powell was duped by his own president and vice-president. That is one of the reasons he resigned as Secretary of State. His Commander in Chief used him to promote their ill gotten war. Instead of being a valued adviser in military matters to the president he was used as a shill.
You seem to believe it's such an easy thing to un-ring the bell(s) Bush rung and blame it on Obama for not doing it.
Obama's warhawking is not Bush's fault, SIB ... he's had every opportunity to end these futile and deadly actions - actions Obama promised idiots like yourself he was going to end. If Bush lied then he was wrong. I'm not hanging him because you and some jackass named Wiggley think he did however. And if he did lie, so much the easier for Obama to pull our troops and blame the loss of humans and money on Bush - something Obama has shown is one of his only real talents. Yet, despite all promises and arrogant speeches Obama is doing his best Bush/Cheney impression. Hmmm .... Now I'm done discussing a president who no longer is in office and hasn't been for over a term. It's time for you knuckledraggers to move on.

Today's reports are that 6 more Americans were killed in a bombing in Afghanistan. Now that the elections are over and Obama's political aspirations no longer hang in the balance you can bet the media will be all over this, mourning the loss of heroic Americans. Of course Benghazi still remains taboo to discuss, and the memory of those heros has been brushed under the rug and on this site even mocked by people who were more concerned about some politician's reelection chances than they are justice and honor.

Obama promised to bring our troops back, close GITMO and repair our foreign relations with dangerous counties, trying to convince America he could do so by meeting face to face with radicals. Bush lied? Obama LIED.
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Obama's warhawking is not Bush's fault, SIB ... he's had every opportunity to end these futile and deadly actions - actions Obama promised idiots like yourself he was going to end. If Bush lied then he was wrong. I'm not hanging him because you and some jackass named Wiggley think he did however. And if he did lie, so much the easier for Obama to pull our troops and blame the loss of humans and money on Bush - something Obama has shown is one of his only real talents. Yet, despite all promises and arrogant speeches Obama is doing his best Bush/Cheney impression. Hmmm .... Now I'm done discussing a president who no longer is in office and hasn't been for over a term. It's time for you knuckledraggers to move on.
Today's reports are that 6 more Americans were killed in a bombing in Afghanistan. Now that the elections are over and Obama's political aspirations no longer hang in the balance you can bet the media will be all over this, mourning the loss of heroic Americans. Of course Benghazi still remains taboo to discuss, and the memory of those heros has been brushed under the rug and on this site even mocked by people who were more concerned about some politician's reelection chances than they are justice and honor.
Obama promised to bring our troops back, close GITMO and repair our foreign relations with dangerous counties, trying to convince America he could do so by meeting face to face with radicals. Bush lied? Obama LIED.
You just keep believing what you need to believe to feed your despise for Obama.

But add this to what you won't discuss about a president that is no longer in office. Remembering how the right-wing thought process is so wrapped up in how the Democrats backed Bush's illegitimate wars please do inform us on how the Teapublicans have backed Obama on ANYTHING he has wanted to do to lead this country. Please do inform me where the right-wing has been ANYTHING but a blockade to this president.

But then you will probably reply why should they when all of Obama's proposals have been unworthy of support from the obstructionist right.
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You just keep believing what you need to believe to feed your despise for Obama.
But add this to what you won't discuss about a president that is no longer in office. Remembering how the right-wing thought process is so wrapped up in how the Democrats backed Bush's illegitimate wars please do inform us on how the Teapublicans have backed Obama on ANYTHING he has wanted to do to lead this country. Please do inform me where the right-wing has been ANYTHING but a blockade to this president.
But then you will probably reply why should they when all of Obama's proposals have been unworthy of support from the obstructionist right.
Just keep dragging us back into the past to avoid discussing the current president placing us into more regions of war. Just keep avoiding Obama's campaign lies ... er, "promises".

I'm guessing the Tea Party isn't supporting the very few things Obama has taken time out of his partying and golf schedule to do because it goes against their social and political philosophies. Do you really expect the Tea Party to support demonizing businesses and standing on America's energy pipelines, including coal mining, fracking, and Canada's offer to pipe in millions and millions of gallons of oil? Do you honestly expect a party that's entire mantra revolves around smaller government and lower spending to support Obamacare, or higher taxation without cutting back on government giveaways to support Obama's philosophy?

Once again we see this "do as I say, not as I do" ignorant bully mentality from SIB the hypocrite.

The wonderful thing about a democracy, SIB, and what you seem to accept only when it benefits you, is that we don't have to blindly follow any one president's philosophies. We have a RIGHT and a responsibility to oppose a government that does not represent our beliefs. Lord knows you liberals utilized that philosophy for 8 long years! LOL The difference between the Tea Party and you radical leftists is we're not out burning effigies of Obama on sticks and painting flags that have Obama behind a bullseye like you "patriots" did. The Tea Party isn't squatting in parks like angry, dysfunctional, smelly and gross vagrants. They're working to replace a broken and corrupt GOP with a group of politicians that represent their beliefs. You don't like it because it goes against what you want. Well, tough. Get used to it because while the OWS has fizzled into nothing more than a feces and graffiti-festooned dud, the Tea Party is flourishing and growing in political representation.

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"The obstructionist right?"
Hmmmm, there are over 450 bills passed by the House, just sitting on the Senate floor, because Harry Reid, and the Senate, refuse to look at them.

Yes, it's only the Right, that are being obstructionist's.

BOTH sides of the aisle are broken.
This administration is responsible for the petty partisanship being displayed by our congress.

A true leader would not stand for it.
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Oneal wrote:
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Just keep dragging us back into the past to avoid discussing the current president placing us into more regions of war. Just keep avoiding Obama's campaign lies ... er, "promises".
I'm guessing the Tea Party isn't supporting the very few things Obama has taken time out of his partying and golf schedule to do because it goes against their social and political philosophies. Do you really expect the Tea Party to support demonizing businesses and standing on America's energy pipelines, including coal mining, fracking, and Canada's offer to pipe in millions and millions of gallons of oil? Do you honestly expect a party that's entire mantra revolves around smaller government and lower spending to support Obamacare, or higher taxation without cutting back on government giveaways to support Obama's philosophy?
Once again we see this "do as I say, not as I do" ignorant bully mentality from SIB the hypocrite.
The wonderful thing about a democracy, SIB, and what you seem to accept only when it benefits you, is that we don't have to blindly follow any one president's philosophies. We have a RIGHT and a responsibility to oppose a government that does not represent our beliefs. Lord knows you liberals utilized that philosophy for 8 long years! LOL The difference between the Tea Party and you radical leftists is we're not out burning effigies of Obama on sticks and painting flags that have Obama behind a bullseye like you "patriots" did. The Tea Party isn't squatting in parks like angry, dysfunctional, smelly and gross vagrants. They're working to replace a broken and corrupt GOP with a group of politicians that represent their beliefs. You don't like it because it goes against what you want. Well, tough. Get used to it because while the OWS has fizzled into nothing more than a feces and graffiti-festooned dud, the Tea Party is flourishing and growing in political representation.
Come on. Tell me. What "more regions of war" has Obama placed us in? WHERE?

Are you talking about Korea? Where did I miss Obama declaring war with Korea? Where did I miss we have sent troops in to fight an armed conflict with North Korea? Where did I miss we have fired upon the North Koreans?

And if you are still harping over this Korean problem are you so history ignorant that we have NEVER been out of the Korean war? The Korean war has NEVER ended. The armed conflict in Korea ended with a cease-fire. NOT a surrender by the North Koreans. As is the usual ending to any war. A surrender of the enemy. Or didn't you know that?

And another area you are history ignorant is we HAVE ALWAYS had troops stationed at the border between North and South Korea since the Korean War.

So you cite to me WHERE Obama has sent us into "more regions of war".
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Gville Jim wrote:
"The obstructionist right?"
Hmmmm, there are over 450 bills passed by the House, just sitting on the Senate floor, because Harry Reid, and the Senate, refuse to look at them.
Yes, it's only the Right, that are being obstructionist's.
BOTH sides of the aisle are broken.
This administration is responsible for the petty partisanship being displayed by our congress.
A true leader would not stand for it.
I see the same thing in most of my daily life...'I can't escape being wrong on this issue so the best way to explain it away is to blame both sides'. Typical dodge tactic over taking personal accountability.

And just what does a "true leader" not standing for it mean? EVERY time Obama has taken a hard stand all we hear from the denial right is how he (Obama) is being inflexible, unwilling to cooperate, being a dictator, you pick the adjective out of your book of anti-Obama speak.
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Gville Jim wrote:
"The obstructionist right?"
Hmmmm, there are over 450 bills passed by the House, just sitting on the Senate floor, because Harry Reid, and the Senate, refuse to look at them.
Yes, it's only the Right, that are being obstructionist's.
BOTH sides of the aisle are broken.
This administration is responsible for the petty partisanship being displayed by our congress.
A true leader would not stand for it.
"This administration is responsible for the petty partisanship being displayed by our congress."

Really? Did the President hold a gun to the head of Mitch McConnell when he said his #1 priority was to make Obama a one term President?

"A true leader would not stand for it."

So in your estimation a true leader should use whatever means neccessary to get around obstructionism......

Should he send them to the wood shed, or ask Bill O'Reilly for his help?

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I see the same thing in most of my daily life...'I can't escape being wrong on this issue so the best way to explain it away is to blame both sides'. Typical dodge tactic over taking personal accountability.
And just what does a "true leader" not standing for it mean? EVERY time Obama has taken a hard stand all we hear from the denial right is how he (Obama) is being inflexible, unwilling to cooperate, being a dictator, you pick the adjective out of your book of anti-Obama speak.
We all know your "typical dodge tactic" ..... blame Bush, and conservatives for everything.
What you fail to see, is that the democrats in the Senate, are being obstructionist's themselves.
You continue to put the blame on Bush, and republican's, or teabaggers, which is the name you continue to spew constantly, but you fail to admit that those in your own party are equally responsible.
Good luck, your constant name calling, and offensive comments reflect the exact same rhetoric that we see from our current administration.
Keep your head in the sand,....and keep blaming Bush, and conservatives for everything!
A "true leader" would at least attempt to put an end to the partisan bickering being displayed by both sides.
I'm not defending Bush at all,....I was never a big fan of him, but I don't think that our current president is any better.
If you don't like my opinion,...so be it.
I really don't care.

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Bob wrote:
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"This administration is responsible for the petty partisanship being displayed by our congress."
Really? Did the President hold a gun to the head of Mitch McConnell when he said his #1 priority was to make Obama a one term President?
"A true leader would not stand for it."
So in your estimation a true leader should use whatever means neccessary to get around obstructionism......
Should he send them to the wood shed, or ask Bill O'Reilly for his help?
"Really? Did the President hold a gun to the head of Mitch McConnell when he said his #1 priority was to make Obama a one term President"
If he did
I hope he had a background check!

I'm trying my best to be non confrontational on this people!

Seems impossible here,....
I don't watch Bill O'Reilly, so you'd have to fill me in on that.
Do you really watch him?
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
I don't have a lot of respect for someone like that.

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Obama's warhawking is not Bush's fault, SIB ... he's had every opportunity to end these futile and deadly actions - actions Obama promised idiots like yourself he was going to end. If Bush lied then he was wrong. I'm not hanging him because you and some jackass named Wiggley think he did however. And if he did lie, so much the easier for Obama to pull our troops and blame the loss of humans and money on Bush - something Obama has shown is one of his only real talents. Yet, despite all promises and arrogant speeches Obama is doing his best Bush/Cheney impression. Hmmm .... Now I'm done discussing a president who no longer is in office and hasn't been for over a term. It's time for you knuckledraggers to move on.
Today's reports are that 6 more Americans were killed in a bombing in Afghanistan. Now that the elections are over and Obama's political aspirations no longer hang in the balance you can bet the media will be all over this, mourning the loss of heroic Americans. Of course Benghazi still remains taboo to discuss, and the memory of those heros has been brushed under the rug and on this site even mocked by people who were more concerned about some politician's reelection chances than they are justice and honor.
Obama promised to bring our troops back, close GITMO and repair our foreign relations with dangerous counties, trying to convince America he could do so by meeting face to face with radicals. Bush lied? Obama LIED.
I must first say Thank You for showing your christian backside by calling me a jackass. I promise to be the best jackass your christian religion can endure. You expose your weakness and insecurity by the use of name calling. I actually pity you. I'm certainly not angry and hope you seek help.
Second, let's discuss campaign promises. Show me one, even one, candidate elected to office that has ever been able to keep all the promises they made to get elected to office. No need to specifiy any particular office.
I'll wait....

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<quoted text>We all know your "typical dodge tactic" ..... blame Bush, and conservatives for everything.
What you fail to see, is that the democrats in the Senate, are being obstructionist's themselves.
You continue to put the blame on Bush, and republican's, or teabaggers, which is the name you continue to spew constantly, but you fail to admit that those in your own party are equally responsible.
Good luck, your constant name calling, and offensive comments reflect the exact same rhetoric that we see from our current administration.
Keep your head in the sand,....and keep blaming Bush, and conservatives for everything!
A "true leader" would at least attempt to put an end to the partisan bickering being displayed by both sides.
I'm not defending Bush at all,....I was never a big fan of him, but I don't think that our current president is any better.
If you don't like my opinion,...so be it.
I really don't care.
Hey there Jim...
Hope all is well with you...
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<quoted text>I must first say Thank You for showing your christian backside by calling me a jackass. I promise to be the best jackass your christian religion can endure. You expose your weakness and insecurity by the use of name calling. I actually pity you. I'm certainly not angry and hope you seek help.
Second, let's discuss campaign promises. Show me one, even one, candidate elected to office that has ever been able to keep all the promises they made to get elected to office. No need to specifiy any particular office.
I'll wait....
Are you that dumb? Never mind. It is quite obvious that Obama when compared to most presidents in history is lacking with keeping his campaign promises.
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Are you that dumb? Never mind. It is quite obvious that Obama when compared to most presidents in history is lacking with keeping his campaign promises.
PROVE IT.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promi...
Don't forget to go through all 13 pages of it.

Some of those promises I don't even agree are the best choices. HOWEVER, what it does do is point out that your right-wing propaganda machine on "It is quite obvious that Obama when compared to most presidents in history is lacking with keeping his campaign promises" is, once again, missing a few gears.

And from this one I'm sure you'll be able to pick out the ones I am not happy with him not fulfilling.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promi...

I'm also sure you'll be able to figure out which ones were compromised on as to why.

Oh, and just so it's more out front so you don't have to strain looking for it?, the right-wing rhetoric on Obama breaking his promise to close Guontanamo;
" Close the Guantanamo Bay Detention Center

Promise Broken

Obama has tried to close the detention center for terrorist suspects in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. But Congress has put up roadblocks.
http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/01/19/3190442...

Now it's your turn. Prove it.

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Hey there Jim...
Hope all is well with you...
Hope all is well with you too.

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So you cite to me WHERE Obama has sent us into "more regions of war".
I have family members that have been sent to Egypt. Libya, and Syria.
I guess that doesn't count, because they are not a "region of war"
Good call.

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