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Rob

United States

#21 Apr 5, 2013
SeenItBefore wrote:
<quoted text>Not to be as confrontational as it may seem Jim; it's a bit inconsistent to be saying it's time to stop the "blame game", while blaming the left for blaming Bush, and still being willing to blame Obama.

I agree; only a convoluted mind could be blaming Obama for the overt agitating antics of the pint size North Korean dictator.

Still there is much Bush IS accountable for what we are still suffering the effects.

As the Korean War was never ended I would have no problem with the U.S. sending in a few B-52s taking out every military installation in North Korea, along with the tiny minded bully dictator's house, if they take any overt military action. Not to kill him but force him to live in the squalor he has forced his own people to live in.

I see a huge difference in being reaction appropriate against North Korea under these circumstances than were taken against Iraq. I would prefer it not happen but... Maybe the Korean war would finally be ended rather than this 50+ year cease fire.
Oh yes, here we go! Jason is back to blame Bush. It must be his fault North Korea is about to kill some people. Jason you better get your dancing shoes and costume on before your late again.
Oneal

Grand Rapids, MI

#22 Apr 6, 2013
Gville Jim wrote:
<quoted text>I think it's about time to stop the "blame game".
I was never a big fan of Bush, and am not really a fan of Obama either.
But,....I don't think you can blame what is going on in North Korea on Obama.
I am fully aware, of those on the left, that blame Bush for everything!
I see it every day.
But, in this case, I cant see where putting any blame on Obama, for what is going on in North Korea makes any sense.
I'll blame Obama for things he does, that I might not agree with, but in the case of North Korea, how can you put any blame on Obama for it?
Good luck with that approach, Jim. You can see from SIB's reaction that calling for the "blame game" to end is merely putting blood in the water to unreasonable liberals like those on this site. As evidenced, they see that as an opportunity to say, "you're right, you can't blame Obama, but we're going to continue to blame Bush anyway".

They want to have the ability to play the "blame game", but not allow that to be used against them. Bully mentality at it's best.

Both leaders were put in difficult positions. Bush's was by far worse. We were attacked in a horrid manner. He chose to invade, received congressional approval (something the Topix lib bullies refuse to admit), and then when it became politically advantageous turned like dogs and haven't stopped barking.

Now it's time for Obama to do something more presidential than partying with celebrities and eyeballin' "good lookin'" women. Do you or I know what he should do? No more than anyone knew for sure what George Bush Jr should have done. But just as with W, the world is watching Obama, and will hold judge him and America by his reaction. They're not going to give him SIB's "poor naive Obama" pass.

Is it time to stop the "blame game"? Absolutely. Will liberals be adult enough to agree? SIB just answered that question.

“lover”

Since: Feb 09

Dorr MI

#23 Apr 6, 2013
democrats do like war just as much as republicans.

“Selected Marksman”

Since: Aug 08

Northern Virginia

#24 Apr 6, 2013
Oneal wrote:
<quoted text>
Good luck with that approach, Jim. You can see from SIB's reaction that calling for the "blame game" to end is merely putting blood in the water to unreasonable liberals like those on this site. As evidenced, they see that as an opportunity to say, "you're right, you can't blame Obama, but we're going to continue to blame Bush anyway".
They want to have the ability to play the "blame game", but not allow that to be used against them. Bully mentality at it's best.
Both leaders were put in difficult positions. Bush's was by far worse. We were attacked in a horrid manner. He chose to invade, received congressional approval (something the Topix lib bullies refuse to admit), and then when it became politically advantageous turned like dogs and haven't stopped barking.
Now it's time for Obama to do something more presidential than partying with celebrities and eyeballin' "good lookin'" women. Do you or I know what he should do? No more than anyone knew for sure what George Bush Jr should have done. But just as with W, the world is watching Obama, and will hold judge him and America by his reaction. They're not going to give him SIB's "poor naive Obama" pass.
Is it time to stop the "blame game"? Absolutely. Will liberals be adult enough to agree? SIB just answered that question.
You kinda forgot to mention Iraq.
I'd be interested in your thoughts on why we were ever in that country and was the cost of lives lost worth it.
Or were you going to sweep that one under the rug?
I also wonder if Colin Powell has ever forgiven Bush for the public embarrassment he experienced.

“lover”

Since: Feb 09

Dorr MI

#25 Apr 6, 2013
How quickly some people forget.
SeenItBefore

Jenison, MI

#26 Apr 6, 2013
Oneal wrote:
<quoted text>
Good luck with that approach, Jim. You can see from SIB's reaction that calling for the "blame game" to end is merely putting blood in the water to unreasonable liberals like those on this site. As evidenced, they see that as an opportunity to say, "you're right, you can't blame Obama, but we're going to continue to blame Bush anyway".
They want to have the ability to play the "blame game", but not allow that to be used against them. Bully mentality at it's best.
Both leaders were put in difficult positions. Bush's was by far worse. We were attacked in a horrid manner. He chose to invade, received congressional approval (something the Topix lib bullies refuse to admit), and then when it became politically advantageous turned like dogs and haven't stopped barking.
Now it's time for Obama to do something more presidential than partying with celebrities and eyeballin' "good lookin'" women. Do you or I know what he should do? No more than anyone knew for sure what George Bush Jr should have done. But just as with W, the world is watching Obama, and will hold judge him and America by his reaction. They're not going to give him SIB's "poor naive Obama" pass.
Is it time to stop the "blame game"? Absolutely. Will liberals be adult enough to agree? SIB just answered that question.
You once again conveniently misinterpreted what I was saying. I won't even try to explain it better as you will misinterpret again.

And why must you be reminded we were not attacked by any government authorization on 9/11. Or that just doesn't make any difference to you. And Congressional approval to invade Iraq was based on lies and contrived intelligence to facilitate an invasion desired long before the attack of 9/11. That has been established as fact.

You wouldn't know what being adult enough means. Being adult is recognizing appropriate accountability.
Oneal

Grand Rapids, MI

#27 Apr 6, 2013
Mr Wiggley wrote:
<quoted text>
You kinda forgot to mention Iraq.
I'd be interested in your thoughts on why we were ever in that country and was the cost of lives lost worth it.
Or were you going to sweep that one under the rug?
I also wonder if Colin Powell has ever forgiven Bush for the public embarrassment he experienced.
My thoughts are that Bush was given a very difficult decision to make after terrorists flew airliners into the World Trade Center, killing thousands of innocent people - and he made it in what he AND CONGRESS thought in the best interest of America.
My thoughts are that congress approved the invasion of Iraq, including Hillary Clinton and Colin Powell. That's always been my thought. It's been my thought for all the years you people stuck like broken records on Iraq and Bush have brought it up, time after time, to garner votes, demonize your "enemies", and excuse Obama for his continuing to wage wars in the Middle East.
My thoughts are of candidate Obama standing smugly in front of Americans and excoriating Bush for waging wars in the Middle East and how he was going to bring our troops home, close GITMO, and solve America's foreign affair problems by "meeting" with our enemies. He campaigned on a decidedly anti-war platform.
My thoughts are of how different President Obama's actions compared to his campaign promises, and how liberals like SIB are artfully and cowardly attributing that to his "naivety and lack of information", and how smartasses like yourself are going to continue using Bush's invasion of Iraq in the same opportunistic manner as liberals have abused the "race card", not that you are really all that overwrought about the deaths of Americans (as evidenced by the Benghazi rug sweeping attitudes), or the plight of people truly victims of racism, but because it's a convenient way to shut the people up who don't happen to agree with your opinions.
Oneal

Grand Rapids, MI

#28 Apr 6, 2013
Living Large2 wrote:
How quickly some people forget.
Forget what exactly?

“Selected Marksman”

Since: Aug 08

Northern Virginia

#29 Apr 6, 2013
Oneal wrote:
<quoted text>
My thoughts are that Bush was given a very difficult decision to make after terrorists flew airliners into the World Trade Center, killing thousands of innocent people - and he made it in what he AND CONGRESS thought in the best interest of America.
My thoughts are that congress approved the invasion of Iraq, including Hillary Clinton and Colin Powell. That's always been my thought. It's been my thought for all the years you people stuck like broken records on Iraq and Bush have brought it up, time after time, to garner votes, demonize your "enemies", and excuse Obama for his continuing to wage wars in the Middle East.
My thoughts are of candidate Obama standing smugly in front of Americans and excoriating Bush for waging wars in the Middle East and how he was going to bring our troops home, close GITMO, and solve America's foreign affair problems by "meeting" with our enemies. He campaigned on a decidedly anti-war platform.
My thoughts are of how different President Obama's actions compared to his campaign promises, and how liberals like SIB are artfully and cowardly attributing that to his "naivety and lack of information", and how smartasses like yourself are going to continue using Bush's invasion of Iraq in the same opportunistic manner as liberals have abused the "race card", not that you are really all that overwrought about the deaths of Americans (as evidenced by the Benghazi rug sweeping attitudes), or the plight of people truly victims of racism, but because it's a convenient way to shut the people up who don't happen to agree with your opinions.
Colin Powell was deceived and given false information by Bush to present to the U.N. He clearly was disturbed by that when he realized it and you know it. It's a matter of Public record. He was Bush's scapegoat.
You are showing your incapability to reason here also. I do believe there was a much larger contingent that was fooled by Bush with regards to the invasion of Iraq.
Or have you forgotten that already also?
How dare you insult the integrity of such a great Soldier and American? I personally was affected when I learned that Bush had sent such an Honerable man as Colin on a mission to the U.N. that was based on lies and false information...that Bush supported.

And by the way, as you try so hard to build this strawman about what you think I think and believe...remember this...
You Fail...completely.

“lover”

Since: Feb 09

Dorr MI

#30 Apr 6, 2013
Oneal wrote:
<quoted text>
Forget what exactly?
Forget that democrats were beating the drums of war in the middle east long before Bush was president.
Bob

Big Rapids, MI

#31 Apr 6, 2013
Bush lied, Americans died.......

Only a fringe lunatic places the blame on the person who falls for the lie instead of the liar themselves.

Fortunately, the lie turned the country of Iraq into a nation that is at peace with not only its neighbors, but with its own citizens.
St Stephen

Grand Rapids, MI

#32 Apr 6, 2013
Living Large2 wrote:
<quoted text>Forget that democrats were beating the drums of war in the middle east long before Bush was president.
Beating a drum and actually starting a war that killed over 4,000 US troops are two totally different things.
St Stephen

Grand Rapids, MI

#33 Apr 6, 2013
Mr Wiggley wrote:
<quoted text>
Colin Powell was deceived and given false information by Bush to present to the U.N. He clearly was disturbed by that when he realized it and you know it. It's a matter of Public record. He was Bush's scapegoat.
You are showing your incapability to reason here also. I do believe there was a much larger contingent that was fooled by Bush with regards to the invasion of Iraq.
Or have you forgotten that already also?
How dare you insult the integrity of such a great Soldier and American? I personally was affected when I learned that Bush had sent such an Honerable man as Colin on a mission to the U.N. that was based on lies and false information...that Bush supported.
And by the way, as you try so hard to build this strawman about what you think I think and believe...remember this...
You Fail...completely.
And Powell followed orders as a good soldier does. He clearly did something he did not want to do and will live the rest of his life ashamed for what he did, but he followed orders.

Powell is a great American and patriot and the chickenhawks Cheney and Bush should put a gun to their own heads for what they did to Powell. OF COURSE the right vilified him and try to destroy his integrity when he came out with the truth, it's in their nature. They're doing it to Mark Kelly too!

There is a special place in politics for those who have served their country. McCain is another great American and so was Bush Sr. and Bob Dole. No matter how much I disagreed with those men's policies I never questioned their love of our country or tried to destroy their standing as patriots and great Americans.

“lover”

Since: Feb 09

Dorr MI

#34 Apr 6, 2013
Bob wrote:
Bush lied, Americans died.......
Only a fringe lunatic places the blame on the person who falls for the lie instead of the liar themselves.
Fortunately, the lie turned the country of Iraq into a nation that is at peace with not only its neighbors, but with its own citizens.
Watch the youtube video I posted. Maybe it should be subtitled because you obviously didn't here what those democrats said. The lies started way before Bush. For the record though I don't believe we should have sent our kids there either. We should have just turned the place into glass. Kaboom!
Bob

Big Rapids, MI

#35 Apr 6, 2013
Living Large2 wrote:
<quoted text>Watch the youtube video I posted. Maybe it should be subtitled because you obviously didn't here what those democrats said. The lies started way before Bush. For the record though I don't believe we should have sent our kids there either. We should have just turned the place into glass. Kaboom!
It was always a proven fact that the man had control over WMD at one point, but it has never been proven that it was justification for Dubyah's decision to spread democracy throughout the middle east.

You don't have to look a whole lot further than Colin Powell. Of course nobody wants to discuss Valerie Plame either.

The bottom line is that we didn't need to go there, we should have concentrated on getting the real enemy of this country, and we should have figured out a way to pay for the damn thing. Bush took his eyes off of the real target, and besides human lives, we will have to spend trillions in disability payments to those that made it home.

And what's the real shocker I've got today?

Obama has stayed way to long in Afghanistan. His lack of any military background, or a lack of control over the military/industrial complex has kept us in a place where no one else has ever brought peace.
Phil

Oxford, MI

#36 Apr 6, 2013
Living Large2 wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =RhZ2ZvS2t_EXX democrats do like war just as much as republicans.
Impressive video!! Thanks. I noticed SOB does not want to comment on the video.
Phil

Oxford, MI

#37 Apr 6, 2013
St Stephen wrote:
<quoted text>And Powell followed orders as a good soldier does. He clearly did something he did not want to do and will live the rest of his life ashamed for what he did, but he followed orders.

Powell is a great American and patriot and the chickenhawks Cheney and Bush should put a gun to their own heads for what they did to Powell. OF COURSE the right vilified him and try to destroy his integrity when he came out with the truth, it's in their nature. They're doing it to Mark Kelly too!

There is a special place in politics for those who have served their country. McCain is another great American and so was Bush Sr. and Bob Dole. No matter how much I disagreed with those men's policies I never questioned their love of our country or tried to destroy their standing as patriots and great Americans.
This coming from the guy that wants to take away everyone's guns. Poor Jason!
Phil

Oxford, MI

#38 Apr 6, 2013
Bob wrote:
<quoted text>It was always a proven fact that the man had control over WMD at one point, but it has never been proven that it was justification for Dubyah's decision to spread democracy throughout the middle east.

You don't have to look a whole lot further than Colin Powell. Of course nobody wants to discuss Valerie Plame either.

The bottom line is that we didn't need to go there, we should have concentrated on getting the real enemy of this country, and we should have figured out a way to pay for the damn thing. Bush took his eyes off of the real target, and besides human lives, we will have to spend trillions in disability payments to those that made it home.

And what's the real shocker I've got today?

Obama has stayed way to long in Afghanistan. His lack of any military background, or a lack of control over the military/industrial complex has kept us in a place where no one else has ever brought peace.
You should have stopped talking after the first paragraph.

Since: Mar 09

Grandville, MI

#39 Apr 6, 2013
Oneal wrote:
<quoted text>
Good luck with that approach, Jim. You can see from SIB's reaction that calling for the "blame game" to end is merely putting blood in the water to unreasonable liberals like those on this site.

Is it time to stop the "blame game"? Absolutely. Will liberals be adult enough to agree? SIB just answered that question.
Yeah,.......what was I thinking????

But then,.....maybe they are right,.....and EVERYTHING is Bush's fault?
Oneal

Grand Rapids, MI

#40 Apr 6, 2013
SeenItBefore wrote:
<quoted text>
You once again conveniently misinterpreted what I was saying. I won't even try to explain it better as you will misinterpret again.
And why must you be reminded we were not attacked by any government authorization on 9/11. Or that just doesn't make any difference to you. And Congressional approval to invade Iraq was based on lies and contrived intelligence to facilitate an invasion desired long before the attack of 9/11. That has been established as fact.
You wouldn't know what being adult enough means. Being adult is recognizing appropriate accountability.
SIB, of course you won't try to explain it better because you can only regurgitate the superficial accusation and conspiracy theories we've heard parroted time after time from you barking moonbats. You have no idea what intel came into the White House or congress, so how about you just stop pretending to be some form of end all authority on the subject.

Back to the topic at hand, Obama has had every opportunity to do what he promised on the campaign trail, including ending these wars and brining our troops home, and he hasn't. Why do you suppose that is? Why didn't he close GITMO?? Nothing Bush did has made it impossible for Barry to pull our troops out or for him to close GITMO. He could have pulled our troops out immediately, cut out losses and blamed it squarely on Bush. But he didn't. Hmmm...

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