Quixtar distributors go to court.

Several Quixtar Independent Business Operators from around the state of Michigan have assembled outside the Kent County Courthouse this afternoon. Full Story
GO TEAM

Auburn, MI

#21 Aug 20, 2007
Thank you for reporting a fair and neutral report. Go TEAM
Lisa

Amelia Court House, VA

#22 Aug 20, 2007
Martina wrote:
The reason these IBOs went to court was because Quixtar threatened to terminate them without cause. I am one of them. I have been representing Quixtar for more than eight years and have never been told I was violating any rules. But because Quixtar honchos are angry with the people who brought me into Quixtar, they have threatened terminate hundreds of innocent IBOs.
Since their year-end bonuses are based on volume through August 31, guess what termination means? Millions of dollars Quixtar won't have to pay in bonuses. And the IBOs who abided by and trusted the published rules, the ones who depend on this income, get nothing!
The way I read it, it sounds like the people who brought you in to the business have done something wrong, not you. You had until 5PM today to disassociate yourself from them and then you probably would get at least some of the money that you have earned up to this point.

It also sounds to me like you truly believed in the people in your up line. I am sorry that you find this so difficult to understand. The truth is that for years many Amway (or Alticor or Quixtar or whatever) distributors have abused the system and placed the Amway name in jeopardy. The original Amway vision was pure. I hope the company is able to somehow get its dignity back.
concerned

Grand Rapids, MI

#24 Aug 20, 2007
This is crazy I don't know how anyone could support amway or quixtar When they are the ones who are building the illegal pyramids. It really shows the true side of quixtar and telling "threatening" people with business termination ha! They should just do it and see how much business they lose. NOBODY is going to get involved with anything named AMWAY if they are smart. I hope quixtar goes DOWN!!!

“LET'S GO RED WINGS!!”

Since: Aug 07

America

#25 Aug 20, 2007
Does this have anything to do with "Team of Destiny?"

curious
mhl

Grand Rapids, MI

#26 Aug 20, 2007
Lisa wrote:
It is about time that Amway (Alticor, whichever you prefer) held its distributors accountable to some code of conduct. I am not sure what the distributors in question did, but this is the first time that Amway has ever taken action to protect the integrity of its marketing business.
That is absolutely false. I worked at Amway, dealing with distributors and there is and always has been a code of conduct. This company has always been based on christian ethics. I have seen many distributors lose their ability to do business with Amway. It is not a pleasant thing nor is it a wanted situation, but unfortenately it is something that does occassionally need to be addressed. Amway offers many learning opportunities and does offer second chances but when push comes to shove and these people will not do business properly they do lose their distributorship. What they have found in the past is that it is not just a distributor here and their but a group of them working together and that takes time to investigate. Amway also finds that customers do not usually complain, they just stop using the products so it is hard to track the problems.
mhl

Grand Rapids, MI

#27 Aug 20, 2007
concerned wrote:
This is crazy I don't know how anyone could support amway or quixtar When they are the ones who are building the illegal pyramids. It really shows the true side of quixtar and telling "threatening" people with business termination ha! They should just do it and see how much business they lose. NOBODY is going to get involved with anything named AMWAY if they are smart. I hope quixtar goes DOWN!!!
If they were doing illegal pyramids they would no longer be in business. This is not a company that stays under the radar. This is a huge international corporation! The products sold in America are made in America!! Their quality control department is outstanding. The products they create are amazing compared to what you can buy in the stores.
mhl

Grand Rapids, MI

#28 Aug 20, 2007
Proud IBO wrote:
Quixtar needs to forget this!! They are going to loose a ton of volume no matter the outcome. All they are achieve is a worse name for themselves at a time when they are going to change their name back to AmWay. Not so smart in my opinion!!!
What better time to clean house then now? At any time they find someone doing business improperly is the right time to get rid of them. I know how this works and they are given ample time to rectify their business. I have even seen them send heads of different groups to teach and explain the ways to do business. They try to not have to do this sort of thing. This is not the first time this has been done.
mhl

Grand Rapids, MI

#29 Aug 20, 2007
3kidskid wrote:
Allie, Dearest Allie, unfortunately there are people who think they can build a business of this type without "their tools". Sadly for you it is a proven fact that no one person in this whole industry has ever their business to a significant level without the use of "their tools". Allie maybe you are right, why would someone focus on "their tools" when they could buy a box of loundry soap for $28 bucks instead HMMM????
Laundry soap that lasts 3 months in a household of 8. Can't find a better deal that actually cleans your clothes.
happythishappene d

Greenville, MI

#30 Aug 21, 2007
The laundry soap is awesome, and mine lasted for 6 months. That was doing laundry everyday, and it was cheap. Amway is a decent company, it the IBO's that make a bad name for them. There are numerouse "Groups" out there that are affiliated with them, but they run the same ways as the team, I was involved with one, but got sick of all the promotional cd's and books, confrence's, etc... that you have to do, or they won't help you. I am happy that they did this, it's been a long time coming. They have been dealing with this in the UK too, recently.
Enterprise

Muskegon, MI

#31 Aug 21, 2007
Quixtar has been working with the team and their leaders for quite some time now to get compliant with their "business practices." In order to be a legal MLM company the FCC has set guidelines for how the business must be structured. Team, 5k, and Legacy did not follow the legal "6-4-2" structure and had to be corrected. All of the Alticor companies uphold the highest integrity and standards unfortunately like all fields of work there are individuals who tarnish that reputation. The business practices have nothing to do tools. Quixtar is not an illegal shoppers club, IBOs have to do a certain amount of client volume in order to stay compliant and paid.

In the future if you do not know what you are talking about and have no experience in the MLM field do not post in here.
duss

Holland, MI

#32 Aug 21, 2007
danasue wrote:
Does this have anything to do with "Team of Destiny?"
curious
Yes. Its called "Team" or "The Team" now.
In my opinion, it seems like there are a lot of finger pointing going on. Quixtar obviously has a problem with the way "The Team" does business and doesn't what them to be associated with them. It almost seems like "the team" got to a point where they thought they could control the prices of Quixtar's product.
I have to go with Quixtar on this one. I was in "the team" for 2 years, and i always had a gut feeling something wasn't right, so i got out. My parents are still in it because they like using Quixtar's products (e.i. energy drinks, power bars) but they looked online the other day and have no idea who there upline is. That's what quixtar has a problem with. Thats what there reffering to as "stacking"

“Lost my mind”

Since: Apr 07

be back later

#33 Aug 21, 2007
Enterprise wrote:
Quixtar has been working with the team and their leaders for quite some time now to get compliant with their "business practices." In order to be a legal MLM company the FCC has set guidelines for how the business must be structured. Team, 5k, and Legacy did not follow the legal "6-4-2" structure and had to be corrected. All of the Alticor companies uphold the highest integrity and standards unfortunately like all fields of work there are individuals who tarnish that reputation. The business practices have nothing to do tools. Quixtar is not an illegal shoppers club, IBOs have to do a certain amount of client volume in order to stay compliant and paid.
In the future if you do not know what you are talking about and have no experience in the MLM field do not post in here.
I'm sorry, but where do you get off telling people not to post here? This is a PUBLIC forum for thoughts and opinions. Just because you don't agree with them or they don't agree with you doesn't mean you get the right to tell people where they can and can't post.

I for one have NOT bought any Amway products because of the way they have treated some of their factory employees. And there are a LOT of products out there manufactured by Amway that doesn't bare their "name".

Just remember, without the workers actually making the products, the IBO's wouldn't have product to sell. It's a circle and everyone involved is important, right down to the person who sweeps the floors. Without all involved, Amway wouldn't be where it is today. I think they needs to remember that.
Not a Fan

Grand Blanc, MI

#34 Aug 21, 2007
I have been approached twice in the last year (by people I like) who want me to get involved with Quixtar/Alticor/Amway. I went to a meeting with one of them, and was impressed by the appeals to family and faith and dreams. I already knew I was addicted to the little XS energy drinks, and half the room was drinking them, although it was 8:00 at night and they looked a little odd. I wondered when they sleep, as those things keep me up all night.

One speaker in particular seemed to have his priorities straight. He left a high-paying job to stay home more with his wife and kids, and makes enough to do that distributing Q/A/A. Right at the end, however, his wife got up and waved a shiny ticket and said that everyone needed to go to a convention that weekend to learn more about the business, and the convention ticket is only $90 plus hotel and meals. Ka-ching!

Quickly looking around at the room, I realized that if only half the folks there went, the lady and man and other speakers would make thousands and thousands of dollars. This is not rocket science. The average IBO makes a little over $100 a month. These people presenting ARE wealthy, but it is not because of selling high quality soap and tasty energy drinks.

On the other hand, my friend likes the people she has met, likes the meetings and conventions, and they are like a support group to her. So I guess the price of admission is not too steep...I think of it as being similar to a church. A church devoted to the god of capitalism, but it offers community and a higher purpose I suppose. It just doesn't, very often, offer a living. Good to have eyes wide open.
Kentwood Parent

Grand Rapids, MI

#35 Aug 21, 2007
mhl wrote:
<quoted text>
Laundry soap that lasts 3 months in a household of 8. Can't find a better deal that actually cleans your clothes.
AMEN! I had a set in stain that Tide couldn't take out but my Amway detergant did? YAHOO!!! A pair of shorts saved. Plus lets see the cost saving hmmmmm, that's a no brainer.
Derk

Holland, MI

#36 Aug 21, 2007
Once again, the press (WZZM) spins!

It's not Quixtar vs. IBO - it's Alticor & IBOs vs. TEAM & Assoc.
ADS

Saint Charles, IL

#37 Aug 21, 2007
The Corporation is just looking out for it’s foundation of principles it built it’s business upon. When it joined the world of the internet as Quixtar, after time it lost it’s original identity and focus.

Amway is a business of buying/selling Products, and then earning money back from sales through a MLM distribution style. It was never meant to be about the “tools”, they are only meant to be an aid learning how to think like a Business Person and to be able to direct people to buy/sell their Products and find others to do the same. The Products are very good, some a little overpriced but many are a Bulk style item intended for longer lasting, meaning more up front but less overtime.

Hopefully once the dust settles, those who abused the idea will have learned a life lesson and will lead a more honest business, and Amway can review their pricing and return to the Original business ways it was built upon.
FindYourPurpose

Saint Clair Shores, MI

#39 Aug 21, 2007
Believe it or not Not A Fan that $90 probably goes towards payment for the building/employees etc. And even if the speakers get paid they should, and rightfully so. They give you teaching and inspirationg that you probably wouldn't get otherwise. Cds books and seminars aren't pushed for money making purposes, these are people are people of integrity and hopefully with eyes wide open you will see that one day. Your friend is doing the right thing and i hope you support her in everything she does, i'm sure you are a great friend to her!
Pat

United States

#40 Aug 21, 2007
My husband did this a little bit before we were married several years ago. He kind of 'burned out of it', so to speak. Several of his friends still do it, and though we love them dearly, we cannot stand them being in 'The business'. Much of their free time is spend recruiting... including constantly trying to recruit us. They dont seem to make much money off of it, yet they go to these seminars all the time. Several of them have been in 'The Business' for over seven years, and do not have much to show for it, thought they are quite active.

The worst thing of all is how nauseating it gets hearing them talk about it, constantly.
Cost Accountant

Detroit, MI

#41 Aug 21, 2007
What gets me is that when you are invited to these "discussions" you are not told what you are getting into. If Amway is so great, why can't someone just say "I'd like to talk to you and your wife about Amway." Instead you hear "We'd like to talk to you about something." This has happened twice to me, even from a distant family member.

For some person to make $100 a month while the guys at the top are still getting a cut is utterly ridiculous.
KNP

Byron Center, MI

#42 Aug 21, 2007
The retaliation by Quixtar against of thousands of Independent Business Owners (IBO’s) is clearly a retaliatory action due to the class action lawsuit filed in Los Angeles on August 9th.
All the plaintiff’s in yesterday’s case, filed in Grand Rapids, are IBO’s who were in good standing with Quixtar. In fact, several were awarded incentive trips by Quixtar for their achievements. These are some of the top IBO’s in the country.
The primary complaint issued in the Class Action suit is Quixtar’s product pricing. As the suit states, only a VERY small percentage of product are retailed, and the rest are internally consumed by business owners in order to achieve bonus checks. By definition, this could cause Quixtar/Amway to be deemed an illegal pyramid scheme.
It is also rumored that many complaints have recently been filed at the Michigan Attorney General’s office by IBO’s to protect themselves and their businesses, from the very company they are suppose to be in business with!
The actions and reactions of Alticor/Quixtar over the past week have been both strange and twisted. Especially coming from a multi-billion dollar corporation who is trying to improve their image and reputation. Attacking the very distribution network they are suppose to be supporting, without just cause or following their own internally defined Rules of Conduct, just makes no logical sense!

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