American Axle says UAW proposal bette...

American Axle says UAW proposal better, still far too high

There are 39 comments on the WZZM Grand Rapids story from Apr 10, 2008, titled American Axle says UAW proposal better, still far too high. In it, WZZM Grand Rapids reports that:

American Axle and Manufacturing Holdings Inc. says a new contract proposal from the striking United Auto Workers is a little better but falls far short of giving the company the concessions it needs to compete ...

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area mom

United States

#1 Apr 11, 2008
HANG IN FOR WHAT YOU WANT. I WORK IN AUTO IND. AND WHERE I WORK THE UNION AGREED ON THE FIRST CONTRACT, WHICH WAS NOTHING. THE COMPANY CAME OUT THE WINNER. NOT THE WORKERS. GOOD LUCK TO THE UNION.
Neko

United States

#2 Apr 11, 2008
How about paying them in Yuan's instead of Dollars?

Just remember....plenty of folks in Asia who will do a lot more work for a whole lot less...

Those folks are the "competitors"

If the Unions really value those jobs...they best start working with the company to become more "competitive".

Besides...it won't be long and "shipping costs" are going to make Chinese products unaffordable.( a silver lining the politicians and the globalists don't see)

A few concessions now might mean job security in the future!
super scab

Grand Rapids, MI

#3 Apr 11, 2008
first of all, beacuse of this strike how many union members put there so called union brothers out of work, plus all the non union shops that supply parts to gm that have laid off a lot of people, in a time when the economy is down in the dumps. there are a lot of people that would be very happy to be working makeing $18.00hr. these union people have had it to good for to long. i belive people should be paid a fair wage for a days work, but makeing $30.00hr for sitting on your ass is b.s. how can we expect to keep work in the U.S. when the company has to pay up to $70.00hr per employee just to keep the doors open.
and these head strong union ****s think the company is takeing advantage of them. well when they have to go look for a job because the company went out of buisness they will realize just how good they had it.
Batch 37 Pain is Good

United States

#4 Apr 11, 2008
Neko wrote:
How about paying them in Yuan's instead of Dollars?
Just remember....plenty of folks in Asia who will do a lot more work for a whole lot less...
Those folks are the "competitors"
If the Unions really value those jobs...they best start working with the company to become more "competitive".
Besides...it won't be long and "shipping costs" are going to make Chinese products unaffordable.( a silver lining the politicians and the globalists don't see)
A few concessions now might mean job security in the future!
Good Morning Neko! You feeling alright? You seem subdued. Hope all is well...

“Common sense RULES ”

Since: Sep 07

West Michigan

#5 Apr 11, 2008
Unions have outlived their usefulness. They are one of the many reasons so many companies are moving out of the country. This company could just a easily fire everyone, and rehire people for less money because the economy is so bad in this state. For a company to vote to strike in these tough times is just plain stupid.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#6 Apr 11, 2008
What's important is that the workers do not accept a 60% cut. American Axle is profitable and the CEO stuffs ten of millions a year into his pocket.
With AA's competitors cutting costs, it is likely that AA will not be able to continue their trend of massive profits and bonuses for execs. They will have to make changes to compete in the future. However, the workers should not have to bear the full brunt of cost-cutting measures just so D*ck Dauch can continue stuffing tens of millions into his own pocket. Dauch pocketed $58 MILLION from 2003-2006, and continues to stuff millions more into his pockets. http://futureoftheunion.com/...
It is likely that the workers will accept some sort of concession, but it probably won't be the 60% cut that greedy Dauch wants.

These workers need to stay strong and stand together for a fair contract. It doesn't make any sense for them to accept a measly $12/hr when they could get that anywhere. If greedy AA won't pay them enough to even keep their homes, then they should just continue the strike until AA goes out of business.$12/hr is chump change and it isn't even worth going back there for. Let AA try to bring in the replacement workers. Even Dauch knows that a workforce of 100% untrained replacement workers would be total chaos and not be able to meet the demands for AA's customers and the company would be doomed.

This strike is about fairness. American Axle is still profitable (up to the strike, anyway.) The union workers are being reasonable. AA has not been reasonable at all.
Solidarity.

Since: Mar 08

Rockford, MI

#7 Apr 11, 2008
Neko wrote:
How about paying them in Yuan's instead of Dollars?
Just remember....plenty of folks in Asia who will do a lot more work for a whole lot less...
Those folks are the "competitors"
If the Unions really value those jobs...they best start working with the company to become more "competitive".
Besides...it won't be long and "shipping costs" are going to make Chinese products unaffordable.( a silver lining the politicians and the globalists don't see)
A few concessions now might mean job security in the future!
You must be an idot ,Yeah so we can get paid in Yuan's .

Since: Mar 08

Rockford, MI

#8 Apr 11, 2008
super scab wrote:
first of all, beacuse of this strike how many union members put there so called union brothers out of work, plus all the non union shops that supply parts to gm that have laid off a lot of people, in a time when the economy is down in the dumps. there are a lot of people that would be very happy to be working makeing $18.00hr. these union people have had it to good for to long. i belive people should be paid a fair wage for a days work, but makeing $30.00hr for sitting on your ass is b.s. how can we expect to keep work in the U.S. when the company has to pay up to $70.00hr per employee just to keep the doors open.
and these head strong union ****s think the company is takeing advantage of them. well when they have to go look for a job because the company went out of buisness they will realize just how good they had it.
My Husband worked for Reynolds medals and it was Union .The workers took an $4.00 cut in pay,And where did that get them,they still shut the doors. Im not all for Unions,But Im not for taking whats shoved down my throat either ,like alot of people would to take. You didnt hear so much b.itching about what they made per hour when the econmy was good ,Or if you were making those wages ,you wouldnt be complaing either.
American Auto Worker

Toledo, OH

#9 Apr 11, 2008
Humm now isn't this an interesting news report.
Pay close attention to the last sentence.

Apr 11, 2008
Detroit News

American Axle & Manufacturing Holdings Inc. was "disappointed" in an offer from the United Auto Workers union that would have paid workers double the market rate, the company said Thursday.

Formal negotiations will continue, but the two sides remain far apart on wages and benefits, American Axle said in a statement.

American Axle characterized the proposal as "a slight improvement from the UAW's previous bargaining positions," but didn't elaborate.

Union officials did not return calls seeking comment.
The union is asking for wages and benefits of between $40 and $60 an hour, according to American Axle spokeswoman Renee Rogers. The company is proposing a wage and benefit package of between $20 and $30 an hour.

Contract talks between the UAW and the Detroit-based auto supplier had been stalled for more than three weeks until the full bargaining teams met Wednesday to try and hammer out a deal.

The strike began Feb. 26 after 3,650 union members at five plants in Michigan and New York walked off the job after their previous contracts expired.

American Axle executives say the supplier can no longer pay the previous all-in labor costs of $73.48 per hour and be competitive with other unionized U.S. suppliers, such as Dana Corp. and Delphi Corp., which both won wage concessions while in bankruptcy.

"AAM needs a structural change in labor costs at its original U.S. locations," the statement read. "If the UAW continues to refuse to make realistic economic proposals, AAM will be forced to consider closing these facilities."
Batch 37 Pain is Good

United States

#10 Apr 11, 2008
American Auto Worker wrote:
Humm now isn't this an interesting news report.
Pay close attention to the last sentence.
Apr 11, 2008
Detroit News
American Axle & Manufacturing Holdings Inc. was "disappointed" in an offer from the United Auto Workers union that would have paid workers double the market rate, the company said Thursday.
Formal negotiations will continue, but the two sides remain far apart on wages and benefits, American Axle said in a statement.
American Axle characterized the proposal as "a slight improvement from the UAW's previous bargaining positions," but didn't elaborate.
Union officials did not return calls seeking comment.
The union is asking for wages and benefits of between $40 and $60 an hour, according to American Axle spokeswoman Renee Rogers. The company is proposing a wage and benefit package of between $20 and $30 an hour.
Contract talks between the UAW and the Detroit-based auto supplier had been stalled for more than three weeks until the full bargaining teams met Wednesday to try and hammer out a deal.
The strike began Feb. 26 after 3,650 union members at five plants in Michigan and New York walked off the job after their previous contracts expired.
American Axle executives say the supplier can no longer pay the previous all-in labor costs of $73.48 per hour and be competitive with other unionized U.S. suppliers, such as Dana Corp. and Delphi Corp., which both won wage concessions while in bankruptcy.
"AAM needs a structural change in labor costs at its original U.S. locations," the statement read. "If the UAW continues to refuse to make realistic economic proposals, AAM will be forced to consider closing these facilities."
This is the end, beautiful friend, the end. This is the end my only friend, the end. Of all elaborate plans, the end. Of everything that stands, the end. No safety or surprise, the end. I'll never look into your eyes again. Can you picture what will be, so limitless and free. Desperately in need of some strangers hand in a desperate land....All the children are insane....
whatever

Grandville, MI

#11 Apr 11, 2008
Arctic49519 wrote:
What's important is that the workers do not accept a 60% cut. American Axle is profitable and the CEO stuffs ten of millions a year into his pocket.
With AA's competitors cutting costs, it is likely that AA will not be able to continue their trend of massive profits and bonuses for execs. They will have to make changes to compete in the future. However, the workers should not have to bear the full brunt of cost-cutting measures just so D*ck Dauch can continue stuffing tens of millions into his own pocket. Dauch pocketed $58 MILLION from 2003-2006, and continues to stuff millions more into his pockets. http://futureoftheunion.com/...
It is likely that the workers will accept some sort of concession, but it probably won't be the 60% cut that greedy Dauch wants.
These workers need to stay strong and stand together for a fair contract. It doesn't make any sense for them to accept a measly $12/hr when they could get that anywhere. If greedy AA won't pay them enough to even keep their homes, then they should just continue the strike until AA goes out of business.$12/hr is chump change and it isn't even worth going back there for. Let AA try to bring in the replacement workers. Even Dauch knows that a workforce of 100% untrained replacement workers would be total chaos and not be able to meet the demands for AA's customers and the company would be doomed.
This strike is about fairness. American Axle is still profitable (up to the strike, anyway.) The union workers are being reasonable. AA has not been reasonable at all.
Solidarity.
GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT GENIOUS.

AMERICAN AXLE IN MICHIGAN HAS BEEN LOSING MONEY FOR THREE YEARS STRAIGHT.

american axle also has plants in mexico. one local trucking company has already gone out of business because they transported for gm. another local trucking company has laid off over half of their drivers because of this strike and the remaining people have had to take a $3/hr paycut on average (and they don't make anywhere near what AA did to begin with) and are no longer allowed to work any overtime. So the truckers are bringing up stuff from the plants in mexico.

AA strikes, closes how many GM plants now? forces a LOCAL company out of business, forces HUNDREDS of other LOCAL workers onto unemployment (sure the state needs that). these AA people should be happy that they have ANY job. if they don't like it then GET A DIFFERENT ONE.

Since: Mar 08

Rockford, MI

#12 Apr 11, 2008
American Auto Worker wrote:
Humm now isn't this an interesting news report.
Pay close attention to the last sentence.
Apr 11, 2008
Detroit News
American Axle & Manufacturing Holdings Inc. was "disappointed" in an offer from the United Auto Workers union that would have paid workers double the market rate, the company said Thursday.
Formal negotiations will continue, but the two sides remain far apart on wages and benefits, American Axle said in a statement.
American Axle characterized the proposal as "a slight improvement from the UAW's previous bargaining positions," but didn't elaborate.
Union officials did not return calls seeking comment.
The union is asking for wages and benefits of between $40 and $60 an hour, according to American Axle spokeswoman Renee Rogers. The company is proposing a wage and benefit package of between $20 and $30 an hour.
Contract talks between the UAW and the Detroit-based auto supplier had been stalled for more than three weeks until the full bargaining teams met Wednesday to try and hammer out a deal.
The strike began Feb. 26 after 3,650 union members at five plants in Michigan and New York walked off the job after their previous contracts expired.
American Axle executives say the supplier can no longer pay the previous all-in labor costs of $73.48 per hour and be competitive with other unionized U.S. suppliers, such as Dana Corp. and Delphi Corp., which both won wage concessions while in bankruptcy.
"AAM needs a structural change in labor costs at its original U.S. locations," the statement read. "If the UAW continues to refuse to make realistic economic proposals, AAM will be forced to consider closing these facilities."
Well it sounds like some CEO's will not be getting their fat bonus then. Cut-pay from the top dog on down. And ,they will close their doors anyways if it fits their needs and pocket Books.
not a golfer

Glen Spey, NY

#13 Apr 11, 2008
Arctic49519 wrote:
What's important is that the workers do not accept a 60% cut.....
Yeah, keep listening to the go-union-rah BS and go for the 100% paycut instead.

Since: Mar 08

Rockford, MI

#14 Apr 11, 2008
super scab wrote:
first of all, beacuse of this strike how many union members put there so called union brothers out of work, plus all the non union shops that supply parts to gm that have laid off a lot of people, in a time when the economy is down in the dumps. there are a lot of people that would be very happy to be working makeing $18.00hr. these union people have had it to good for to long. i belive people should be paid a fair wage for a days work, but makeing $30.00hr for sitting on your ass is b.s. how can we expect to keep work in the U.S. when the company has to pay up to $70.00hr per employee just to keep the doors open.
and these head strong union ****s think the company is takeing advantage of them. well when they have to go look for a job because the company went out of buisness they will realize just how good they had it.
I can agree with you they can take a step down on pay,But only if th eCompany takes a cut in pay scale to,Lik ethat will happen.The CEO'S make their bonus by screwing the workers ,Not because their the good and Fair Guy.

Since: Mar 08

Rockford, MI

#15 Apr 11, 2008
Sorry ,I shouldnt type with Dog on Lap.
Batch 37 Pain is Good

United States

#16 Apr 11, 2008
tampabay wrote:
Sorry ,I shouldnt type with Dog on Lap.
I was gonna say! Thought you were having trouble...not like you!

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#17 Apr 11, 2008
whatever wrote:
<quoted text>
GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT GENIOUS.
AMERICAN AXLE IN MICHIGAN HAS BEEN LOSING MONEY FOR THREE YEARS STRAIGHT.
american axle also has plants in mexico. one local trucking company has already gone out of business because they transported for gm. another local trucking company has laid off over half of their drivers because of this strike and the remaining people have had to take a $3/hr paycut on average (and they don't make anywhere near what AA did to begin with) and are no longer allowed to work any overtime. So the truckers are bringing up stuff from the plants in mexico.
AA strikes, closes how many GM plants now? forces a LOCAL company out of business, forces HUNDREDS of other LOCAL workers onto unemployment (sure the state needs that). these AA people should be happy that they have ANY job. if they don't like it then GET A DIFFERENT ONE.
Wrong. American axle has been profitable.
http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/articles/...

But you're exactly right that if they don't like it then they don't have to work there....and that's exactly what happened. They didn't like it and they walked out.
just a worker

London, Canada

#18 Apr 11, 2008
Look what I just found. WOW
AAM strikers in the US had better open their eyes quickly now. Go back to work now or face unemployment. Some pay is better than NO pay.

American Axle & Manufacturing Reaches Contract Agreements with Unions in Mexico and the United Kingdom
PRNewswire-FirstCall
DETROIT
(:AXL)

DETROIT, April 11 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/-- American Axle & Manufacturing (AAM), which is traded as AXL on the NYSE, announced today that it has reached agreements with the unions representing its associates in England, Mexico and Scotland.

"All of AAM's hourly associates at AAM de Mexico and our wholly-owned subsidiary Albion Automotive in the United Kingdom have union representation," said AAM Co-Founder, Chairman & CEO Richard E. Dauch. "The recently signed agreements in Mexico and the United Kingdom achieved a market competitive labor cost structure in those regions where the facilities are located. This was all done quietly, professionally, responsibly and effectively with no production disruption."
just a worker

London, Canada

#19 Apr 11, 2008
Bet Richard promised them all US AAM strikers jobs.
Don't you think its time to go back to work before you have no work to go back to.
just a worker

London, Canada

#20 Apr 11, 2008
tampabay wrote:
<quoted text> Well it sounds like some CEO's will not be getting their fat bonus then. Cut-pay from the top dog on down. And ,they will close their doors anyways if it fits their needs and pocket Books.
Wow tampabay is that "all" you understood from that article the American Auto worker posted?

CEO's transfer to other location silly. They won't be out of a job. Just the strikers will be out of a job.

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