Car buyers standing by GM

[Frank]

Old Rocker wrote:

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I agree with you on that point Frank. I'm just saying that a merit pay increase is better than an across the board negotiated pay increase to everyone regardless of their job performance. Employers get more bang for their buck that way and they have more, motivated employees. There is an incentive to do above average work because they know they will be rewarded for it. If everyone gets the same pay raise, there is no incentive for workers to improve. They are satisfied with the status quo. For companies to grow, they can never be satisfied with their short term successes. They must always be looking for ways to improve.

Another thing is we tried to get some kind of incentive program but they didn't want anything to do with that. The one in place is a joke and it's funny because the only time we get it is when a contract is up. We got a check for that program for the month before we went on strike. Its a joke, we even tried to give it back to them in a negotiation and they didn't want it. That just goes to show how good it is.

[Gville Jim]

Frank wrote:

<quoted text> I would love to get a pay raise for for the reasons you said but its not always like that. The company I work for has many plants that do the same kind of work but at different levels and our plant does the most difficult jobs and has their biggest customer. The current owners bought the company a few years ago and have done nothing but take from their employees, with the exception of us. We are the only union plant. If it was up to our owners we would be working for $8 an hour not $18 and cut benefits in half. I know they would do that because they done it at ALL their other plants and tried to do it at ours but good thing we had a voice and didn't have to just bend over and take it like the rest of them. It took a 3 month long strike but we won. I would love to find a job that pays close to what I make and get respected and pay based on performance but its not always like that. If there was no union I wouldn't make and have what I have. Sorry to go on for so long but I wanted to try to help you understand my situation.

I Do understand Frank.
I hope you didnt take what I said wrong,.. I did not mean to come off as being "anti-union".
It's been a long time, but I used to work for a unionized company.
But ever since then, I've been fortunate to work for a smaller company, which is kind of nice. If I want to, at any time I can talk to the owner if I want to, and it's much different where I am now. I know how it is at some big companies. I think I'm very lucky, and get to work in an environment like I do.
On a totally different note,......how do you like your new truck?
I'm on the fence right now, I've been looking a little bit at new ones. But mine only has 60K miles on it, and I dont really need a new one, but it's 8 years old, and sometimes, I just think I'd like something different.
I hope you like your new truck, I'm leaning towards just keeping mine for right now (main reason its paid for) which is kinda nice.
But then,..... a new one would be nice too.
The issue I have, is back about three years ago, the local Chevy dealer, and the GMC dealership were closed down, and it's now a 20 mile drive to one of those.
There is a Dodge dealership by me, and the Ford dealership where I bought mine at about 5 miles away, but no Chevy or GMC dealers near by.

[Mother Mary]

Understand//////Toyota is worlds ahead of GM=Govt Motors. Nobody believed for a second that the same company that was bailed out with taxpayers money was #1/////Its laughable!!!!!!News sells....not GM autos of course. Detroit news talked about the Space Shuttle Endeavor.They left out the part where thw Toyota Tundra pulled it .....the rest of the world told the whole story....not Derot!Toyota Envy Lives!!!!!!!!!!

[Ronald]

Gville Jim wrote:

<quoted text>I Do understand Frank.
I hope you didnt take what I said wrong,.. I did not mean to come off as being "anti-union".
It's been a long time, but I used to work for a unionized company.
But ever since then, I've been fortunate to work for a smaller company, which is kind of nice. If I want to, at any time I can talk to the owner if I want to, and it's much different where I am now. I know how it is at some big companies. I think I'm very lucky, and get to work in an environment like I do.
On a totally different note,......how do you like your new truck?
I'm on the fence right now, I've been looking a little bit at new ones. But mine only has 60K miles on it, and I dont really need a new one, but it's 8 years old, and sometimes, I just think I'd like something different.
I hope you like your new truck, I'm leaning towards just keeping mine for right now (main reason its paid for) which is kinda nice.
But then,..... a new one would be nice too.
The issue I have, is back about three years ago, the local Chevy dealer, and the GMC dealership were closed down, and it's now a 20 mile drive to one of those.
There is a Dodge dealership by me, and the Ford dealership where I bought mine at about 5 miles away, but no Chevy or GMC dealers near by.

so it looks like Frank and Jim have been doing pole dancers at the rainbow club. Both of you show your ignorance everytime you post. You guys are there to the biggest push back to sender or at least at the nothing else you were both a couple of real sure if you're down with pizza and I said that because that because of American car is always going to be better that you played great day after day and with slanted eyes and order your skin to touch with your interview rice.

[Old Rocker]

Frank wrote:

<quoted text> Another thing is we tried to get some kind of incentive program but they didn't want anything to do with that. The one in place is a joke and it's funny because the only time we get it is when a contract is up. We got a check for that program for the month before we went on strike. Its a joke, we even tried to give it back to them in a negotiation and they didn't want it. That just goes to show how good it is.

If that's the case, then the company is not a forward thinking company.

[Frank]

Gville Jim wrote:

<quoted text>I Do understand Frank.
I hope you didnt take what I said wrong,.. I did not mean to come off as being "anti-union".
It's been a long time, but I used to work for a unionized company.
But ever since then, I've been fortunate to work for a smaller company, which is kind of nice. If I want to, at any time I can talk to the owner if I want to, and it's much different where I am now. I know how it is at some big companies. I think I'm very lucky, and get to work in an environment like I do.
On a totally different note,......how do you like your new truck?
I'm on the fence right now, I've been looking a little bit at new ones. But mine only has 60K miles on it, and I dont really need a new one, but it's 8 years old, and sometimes, I just think I'd like something different.
I hope you like your new truck, I'm leaning towards just keeping mine for right now (main reason its paid for) which is kinda nice.
But then,..... a new one would be nice too.
The issue I have, is back about three years ago, the local Chevy dealer, and the GMC dealership were closed down, and it's now a 20 mile drive to one of those.
There is a Dodge dealership by me, and the Ford dealership where I bought mine at about 5 miles away, but no Chevy or GMC dealers near by.

I love my new truck. I was in the same situation but mine had 150,000 miles I couldn't pass up the deal. Old truck still ran great though. I love having a new truck but I do miss the old one.

[Jason the pole dancer]

Frank wrote:

<quoted text>I love my new truck. I was in the same situation but mine had 150,000 miles I couldn't pass up the deal. Old truck still ran great though. I love having a new truck but I do miss the old one.

I got my new toy I love my new toy It's big and black It's a nice toy with spots turd burglars on pizza in the back door with screws on the cars short weewee in the air on the fish last night when the rainbow club Saturday morning slept poverty in Obama back end angry black lady big butt! Lol! In the door second constitutions suck fruit with what angle black nefarious negro poor rainbows and elephants

[Go Blue Forever]

Mother Mary wrote:

Understand//////Toyota is worlds ahead of GM=Govt Motors. Nobody believed for a second that the same company that was bailed out with taxpayers money was #1/////Its laughable!!!!!!News sells....not GM autos of course. Detroit news talked about the Space Shuttle Endeavor.They left out the part where thw Toyota Tundra pulled it .....the rest of the world told the whole story....not Derot!Toyota Envy Lives!!!!!!!!!!

You do know, the ranking in this regard, is totally subject to sales numbers? It isn't about quality or innovation or fuel mileage....it isn't even about government subsidy, and by the way, the japanese have helped out their own corporations as well.....That is why it is a positive corporate step, when GM builds a plant in China or Toyota builds a truck plant in Thailand or California....It isn't necessarily about who is ahead of who....if it was, Mercedes Benz would likely be number one.....

[Frank]

Old Rocker wrote:

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If that's the case, then the company is not a forward thinking company.

I have talked to people that worked at other plants and done other research and all they do is take from their workers except for us because we are the only union shop and thats why we have a union. they told their other workers when they took 5% off of their pay and stopped 401k contributions they were looking toward the future. A good way to explain the way this company is, they started in the 80's as a small shop down south and the way they grew was to buy other plants, close the plants and add on to the plant down south. They still do that to this day. The other plants that are still open were bought because they specialize in something others don't and because of their location. There was a plant in our area they bought in the 90's that had about 500 workers and was one of the biggest plants in the industry at the time. As soon as they bought it they locked the gates and told the people working they had to leave because they were closing and the next shift coming in was locked out and told to go home. They had tractor trailers with flat beds lined up over a mile down the road, brought in security guards and the people that were taking machines out killed the power and air, took a sawzall to the air lines and electric lines and took out the machines. This was all done because a customer they got at their plant down south. The local plant had the big machines they needed for their new customer. They really made out they got a new customer, the machines they needed and extra work to go with it. On the other end almost 500 people are out of a job. I hope this helps you understand what the people are like I work for.

[straa]

Go Blue Forever wrote:

Meanwhile, seem's Toyota has taken back Number #1 status....overcoming their earthquake, tsunami and the sudden acceleration lawsuits....What can you say, they have a great lineup....

When ever I see a war torn nation on the news, there's always a bunch of militia, with AK47s, sitting in the back of a Toyota pick up truck, I think its the universal vehicle choice for insurgent guerrillas LOL

[straa]

Mother Mary wrote:

Understand//////Toyota is worlds ahead of GM=Govt Motors. Nobody believed for a second that the same company that was bailed out with taxpayers money was #1/////Its laughable!!!!!!News sells....not GM autos of course. Detroit news talked about the Space Shuttle Endeavor.They left out the part where thw Toyota Tundra pulled it .....the rest of the world told the whole story....not Derot!Toyota Envy Lives!!!!!!!!!!

What are you talking about, "miles ahead", the Japanese car industry has taken massive blows recently, from performance, design and mechanical faults, European cars are the worlds best right now, and have been for a long time, Japan has fallen behind

[straa]

Gm have a division in britain and europe called vauxhall, and it is one of the best selling cars in europe and especially in britain, ford are also big sellers in europe, but the other american car companies are rarely seen here, Chevrolet, Buick, cadilacs, etc, they dont seem to sell in Europe and you hardly ever see them, allthoe there are a lot of massive humvees in Britain

[Go Blue Forever]

straa wrote:

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When ever I see a war torn nation on the news, there's always a bunch of militia, with AK47s, sitting in the back of a Toyota pick up truck, I think its the universal vehicle choice for insurgent guerrillas LOL

Good on gas and takes a 50cal. like a man.....

[Go Blue Forever]

straa wrote:

Gm have a division in britain and europe called vauxhall, and it is one of the best selling cars in europe and especially in britain, ford are also big sellers in europe, but the other american car companies are rarely seen here, Chevrolet, Buick, cadilacs, etc, they dont seem to sell in Europe and you hardly ever see them, allthoe there are a lot of massive humvees in Britain

Buick is supposed to be one of the big favorites in China....

[Ronald]

Go Blue Forever wrote:

<quoted text>Buick is supposed to be one of the big favorites in China....

what do you know about China Jason? Anything you get from China is your little blow up dolls that you bounce around the rainbow club with Laurie Anderson bro in your corner little bit I told you that I can't go there because it's brown and black in the girl in the middle to keep you wish.

[Mother Mary]

straa wrote:

<quoted text>
What are you talking about, "miles ahead", the Japanese car industry has taken massive blows recently, from performance, design and mechanical faults, European cars are the worlds best right now, and have been for a long time, Japan has fallen behind

You mean GM=Govt Motors inst #1....oh my!

[Old Rocker]

Frank wrote:

<quoted text> I have talked to people that worked at other plants and done other research and all they do is take from their workers except for us because we are the only union shop and thats why we have a union. they told their other workers when they took 5% off of their pay and stopped 401k contributions they were looking toward the future. A good way to explain the way this company is, they started in the 80's as a small shop down south and the way they grew was to buy other plants, close the plants and add on to the plant down south. They still do that to this day. The other plants that are still open were bought because they specialize in something others don't and because of their location. There was a plant in our area they bought in the 90's that had about 500 workers and was one of the biggest plants in the industry at the time. As soon as they bought it they locked the gates and told the people working they had to leave because they were closing and the next shift coming in was locked out and told to go home. They had tractor trailers with flat beds lined up over a mile down the road, brought in security guards and the people that were taking machines out killed the power and air, took a sawzall to the air lines and electric lines and took out the machines. This was all done because a customer they got at their plant down south. The local plant had the big machines they needed for their new customer. They really made out they got a new customer, the machines they needed and extra work to go with it. On the other end almost 500 people are out of a job. I hope this helps you understand what the people are like I work for.

Why would you want to work for such a company? The union cannot stop them from doing the same thing to your plant.
Just look at what happened at Hostess.
Management greed vs. Union greed. The union lost. 18,000 people without a job.

[1960brookwood]

straa wrote:

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What are you talking about, "miles ahead", the Japanese car industry has taken massive blows recently, from performance, design and mechanical faults, European cars are the worlds best right now, and have been for a long time, Japan has fallen behind

You need to start smoking better stuff--Consumer Reports top ten list for best reliability is all Japanese owned companies.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/money_co/2011...

While BMW,Audi, and Porsche have made several worst reliability lists

http://autos.ca.msn.com/showroom/consumer-rep...

[1960brookwood]

Just got back from vacation and decided to rent Instead of putting a pile of miles on the car I own--a Toyota built Pontiac--we decided to rent.

Had the misfortune of getting a 2012 Ford Focus hatchback with the sync system.

The good--The top line Focus has a pretty good suspension--sporty and compliant with decent cornering.

The bad--in nearly 4k miles the compass never came off East--the cruise and climate controls worked once in a while after multiple reboot attempts. The "sport" trans took forever to shift and there was a constant shudder upon takeoff--and the mileage was about 2 MPG less than I was used to getting with my 4 year old Vibe/Matrix.

Detroit needs to step up their game to be competitive IMHO

[Go Blue Forever]

One of our cars that has been outstanding...a Honda Fit Sport, so versitale and fuel efficient....not only from the most innovative of the japanese brands, but built in Japan too....on trip across state and back, at high speed with cruise, it averaged 42mpg on Cevron reg.....