Rob

United States

#27 May 14, 2014
Mark Luxford wrote:
<quoted text>Okay Rob....

1) What is your evidence that not a single American died in those embassy/consulate attacks during the Bush years?

2) I guess you're unaware of the fact that we had no military assets in that area that could have reached the consulate in time to save the people at the consulate.

3) True enough. There was no video available for Bush to blame them on. All he had left was to blame the "evil-doers".

4) Also true enough. Bush was too busy trying to cover up other things like domestic surveillance and torture of detainees to worry about covering up embassy attacks.

5) I believe you are mistaken on this point. I do remember such statements from the Bush administration in the early days of our invasion of Afghanistan when we did have the Taliban on the run before they made their resurgence.

Happy to help you out.
1. Prove there was a American that was killed
2. How long did the battle go on?
3. This video had nothing to do with Benghazi either. Bush could have picked any video.
4. Ya torture, lol! Obama just steps up the killing with no chance for intelligence.
5. Ok whatever
Rob

United States

#28 May 14, 2014
All other embassy's were vacant because of all the attempted killings and security breaches. They were increasing leading up to the attack. We were the last country to have someone still there. Why?
pipedream

Flint, MI

#29 May 14, 2014
No relevance to Benghazi eh Twerp. Why don't you just keep your big mouth shut stupid? You clearly are at the height of ignorance and stupidity.

October 23, 1983 Beirut Lebanon

On that autumn day in 1983, 220 Marines, 18 sailors and three American civilians were killed and another 60 were injured as a result of a horrific explosion detonated by a terrorist suicide truck bomb that destroyed the Marine barracks at the airport in Beirut, Lebanon.

It was the largest one-day death toll for Marines since the Battle for Iwo Jima in 1945.

With a force of six tons of TNT, it was described as the largest explosion since the end of World War II.

Those Marines had been ordered into Lebanon by President Ronald Reagan as a part of an international peacekeeping force following the June 1982 Israeli invasion of that country and the Palestine Liberation Organization’s withdrawal.

Making an already-dangerous situation even more hazardous, the Marines were under strict presidential orders not to load their weapons — this, so that they would appear as peacekeepers and not as armed belligerents in the conflict and despite the fact that they were moving into a war zone.

Realistically, they had become “sitting ducks” from the moment they entered Beirut. And as a result of their absurd orders, when the explosives-laden truck sped toward their doomed barracks, the two UNARMED guards had no way of stopping it.

According to Col. Timothy J. Geraghty, the commander of the Marines in Beirut:“It didn’t take a military expert to realize that our troops had been placed in an indefensible situation. Anyone following the situation in Lebanon in ordinary news reports could realize a tragedy was in the making.

While the Benghazi attack was certainly a tragedy, it pales in comparison with the errors in judgment by the Reagan administration that led to the Beirut bombing over 30 years ago and blatant cover-up that followed.
pipedream

Flint, MI

#30 May 14, 2014
The 1983 Beirut bombing debacle & Ronald Reagan's world-class cowardice

It is incontrovertible fact that Ronald Reagan's response to the 1983 terror attack which left 241 Americans dead was to turn tail and flee.

He cut.

He ran.

He abandoned the scene of the crime.

Nor did Mr. Reagan bring anyone to justice.

Reagan did not even state his intention to bring anyone to justice.
pipedream

Flint, MI

#31 May 14, 2014
Embassy attacks - the facts.

Far more embassy attacks occurred under Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush than have under Obama, and that Republican in Congress never investigated Reagan or Bush for their failures. To wit:

1. The US embassy in Athens, Greece, was attacked in 2007.

2. The US embassy in Serbia was burned down early in 2008?

3. The US embassy in Sanaa, Yemen, were attacked in September 2008

4. A suicide bombing at the US consulate in Karachi, Pakistan, in 2006 killed a US diplomat.

5. In 2006, a car bomb was set off outside the US embassy in Damascus.

6. Assailants set off bombs outside the US embassy in Tashkent, Uzbekistan, in 2004, at a time when the Uzbek government was allied with Bush in the ‘war on terror’ and was trying 15 persons it accused of al-Qaeda ties. Bush should have known.

7. The US consulate in Jiddah, Saudi Arabia, was attacked in 2004.

8. Anti-American Iraqis were regularly shelling the Green Zone in Baghdad where the US embassy is, in 2008.

9. In April 1983, radical Shiite suicide bombers blew up the US embassy in Beirut, killing 63. Reagan did nothing to prevent this attack, and his ultimate response to it and a later deadly attack on US Marines in Beirut was to quietly withdraw from Lebanon (he called it “redeploying offshore”). Democrats at the time controlled Congress but they didn’t have endless hearings on how Reagan failed our diplomats by not being prepared, not about whether it was wise for Reagan to shell Lebanese villages from the sea and kill 1,000 people.

10. The American embassy in Kuwait was attacked under Reagan in 1983 by radical members of the Da`wa (Islamic Mission) Party. George W. Bush later presided over the election of one of the bombers to the Iraqi parliament. The Da`wa Party, which has since given up terrorism and become a democratic party, has ruled Iraq since 2005, courtesy of Bush.

11. April 18, 1983
Bombing of U.S. Embassy in Beirut

A suicide bomber in a pickup truck loaded with explosives rammed into the U.S. Embassy in Beirut, Lebanon. Sixty-three people were killed, including 17 Americans, eight of whom were employees of the Central Intelligence Agency, including chief Middle East analyst Robert C. Ames and station chief Kenneth Haas.
pipedream

Flint, MI

#32 May 14, 2014
Three terrorist attacks, seven Americans killed (including two ambassadors), one embassy/consulate attacked/overrun by terrorists under Republican President Gerald Ford.

Two terrorist attacks, One American (ambassador) killed, one embassy/consulate overrun under Democratic President Jimmy Carter

Eleven terrorist attacks, 466 Americans killed, three embassies/consulates overrun/attacked under Republican President Ronald Reagan

Six terrorist attacks, 237 Americans killed, two embassies/consulates overrun/attacked under Democratic President Bill Clinton

Sixteen terrorist attacks, 2,418 Americans killed, nine embassies/consulates overrun/attacked under Republican President George W. Bush

Six terrorist attacks, 25 Americans killed (including one ambassador), 2 embassies/consulates overrun/attacked, under Democratic President Barrack Obama
pipedream

Flint, MI

#33 May 14, 2014
Really wrote:
history has shown time and time and time again that when the Democrats are in office and they try "talking" and "being friendly" to terrorists, the results are the same. Americans die until a strong President steps up and takes care of things. SMH
Shake your stupid head at this.

Since 1974 – President Gerald Ford – there have been 44 terrorist attacks against American interests, as a result of which 3,154 Americans have been killed (including four ambassadors), and 18 American embassies or consulates overrun or attacked; so, with those numbers in mind, under which party’s Presidents have American interests – and citizens – suffered less?

Fourteen (14) terrorist attacks, 263 Americans killed (including two ambassadors), five embassies/consulates overrun/attacked under Democratic Presidents.

Thirty (30) terrorist attacks, 2,891 Americans killed (including two ambassadors), 13 embassies/consulates attacked/overrun by terrorists under Republican Presidents.

Facts really suck when they don’t paint the picture you’re attempting to palm off on the American people. Facts are Republicans – in spite of talking like a character in a John Wayne movie – have failed and failed miserably over the past 37 years to protect Americans and America’s interest at home and abroad.

And there were plenty of coverups of REPUBLICAN failures by REPUBLICAN Administrations!
pipedream

Flint, MI

#34 May 14, 2014
Rob wrote:
1. Those people were not Americans.
2. Bush did not leave them hanging while they were under attack.
3. Bush did not blame it on a video.
4. Bush did not cover it up while running for a second term.
5. Bush did not claim the terrorists were on the run.
How ignorant can you be twerp?

11 Sep 01 (BUSH), hijackers crashed two commercial jets into twin towers of World Trade Center, New York City; two more hijacked jets were crashed into the Pentagon, Arlington, VA and a field in rural PA. Total dead and missing numbered 2,379 Americans and 373 of other nationalities.

1 Aug – 22 Oct 02 (BUSH), John Allen Muhammad and Lee Boyd Malvo begin a shooting spree throughout the DC area including Maryland and Virginia killing ten people and critically injuring three others before being arrested.

22 Jan 02 (BUSH), Gunmen attack a U.S. government information center in Calcutta, India, near the U.S. Consulate.

14 Jun 02 (BUSH), a bomb explodes outside American consulate in Karachi, Pakistan.

12 May 03,(BUSH), suicide bombers kill 34, including 8 Americans, at housing compounds for Westerners in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia.

29-31 May 04 (BUSH), terrorists attack the offices of a Saudi oil company in Khobar, Saudi Arabia; take foreign oil workers hostage in a nearby residential compound, leaving 22 people dead including one American.

11-19 Jun 04 (BUSH), terrorists kidnap and execute Paul Johnson Jr., an American, in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. 2 other Americans and BBC cameraman killed by gun attacks.

6 Dec 12 (BUSH), terrorists storm the U.S. consulate in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, killing 5 consulate employees.

9 Nov 05 (BUSH), suicide bombers hit 3 American hotels, Radisson, Grand Hyatt, and Days Inn, in Amman, Jordan, killing 57, including 4 Americans.

2 Mar 06 (BUSH), a U.S. diplomat and his driver are among at least four people killed in an apparent suicide attack outside the U.S. Consulate in Karachi, Pakistan.

12 Sep 06 (BUSH), Syrian authorities kill three attackers and apprehend a suspect outside the U.S. Embassy after a car explodes near the walls of the Damascus building.

2 Jan 07 (BUSH), the U.S. embassy in Athens, Greece is fired on by an anti-tank missile causing damage but no injuries.

16 Sep 07 (BUSH), a car bomb and a rocket strike the U.S. embassy in Yemen as staff arrived to work, killing 16 people, including 4 civilians.

26 Nov 07 (BUSH), in a series of attacks on several of Mumbai’s landmarks and commercial hubs that are popular with Americans and other foreign tourists, including at least two five-star hotels, a hospital, a train station, and a cinema. About 300 people are wounded and nearly 190 people die, including at least 5 Americans.

9 Jul 08 (BUSH), the U.S. Consulate in Istanbul, Turkey, is attacked in what the American ambassador to the country calls “an obvious act of terrorism” aimed at the U.S.

17 Sep 08 (BUSH), heavily armed fighters attack the U.S. Embassy in Yemen. A car bomb is detonated.

Sixteen terrorist attacks, 2,418 Americans killed, nine embassies/consulates overrun/attacked under Republican President George W. Bush
Rob

Oxford, MI

#35 May 14, 2014
We all know your reading and comprehension skill leave a lot to be desired so I am willing to give you another chance. Just have mommy read it to you and I will forget everything you just posted. Try to stay on topic. It might help if you take your meds first.

This is all beside the point though. This has nothing to do with embassies being attacked and people being killed under the Bush administration, and it's relationship to the outrage over Benghazi. This is the problem with you, you can't stay on one subject. Soon as you lose you try to change the subject.

"what difference does it make?"
The only relevance this has to the conversation is that terrorists did it and people died. This has nothing to do with Benghazi the Bush administration. Take your meds or find a thread a thread more suitable for you. It is easy to see that this one is much to complicated for you.

All other embassy's were vacant because of all the attempted killings and security breaches. They were increasing leading up to the attack. We were the last country to have someone still there. Why?

1. Prove there was a American that was killed
2. How long did the battle go on?
3. This video had nothing to do with Benghazi either. Bush could have picked any video.
4. Ya torture, lol! Obama just steps up the killing with no chance for intelligence.
5. Ok whatever
Really

Grand Rapids, MI

#36 May 15, 2014
pipedream wrote:
<quoted text>
Shake your stupid head at this.
Since 1974 – President Gerald Ford – there have been 44 terrorist attacks against American interests, as a result of which 3,154 Americans have been killed (including four ambassadors), and 18 American embassies or consulates overrun or attacked; so, with those numbers in mind, under which party’s Presidents have American interests – and citizens – suffered less?
Fourteen (14) terrorist attacks, 263 Americans killed (including two ambassadors), five embassies/consulates overrun/attacked under Democratic Presidents.
Thirty (30) terrorist attacks, 2,891 Americans killed (including two ambassadors), 13 embassies/consulates attacked/overrun by terrorists under Republican Presidents.
Facts really suck when they don’t paint the picture you’re attempting to palm off on the American people. Facts are Republicans – in spite of talking like a character in a John Wayne movie – have failed and failed miserably over the past 37 years to protect Americans and America’s interest at home and abroad.
And there were plenty of coverups of REPUBLICAN failures by REPUBLICAN Administrations!
Apparently you are truly much too young to remember the over 400 days that Americans were held by the Iranian terrorists as hostages?(thanks to Jimmy "I can't make a decision and stick with it" Carter. they were only released on the very day that Ronald Reagan was inaugurated as President. Hmmmm, similarities to Obama abound. You also apparently "couldn't find" the information about the brave service members who died trying to "rescue" said hostages under Carter's orders. And your "sources" for all your "information" on the "few" terrorist attacks under the Democrats? How about Clinton's failures or don't they count? What a failure as a viable source of information you actually are there little man. Too bad your "education" was such a waste. Another fine example of throwing too much money at a problem, something else the Democrats are known for.
pipedream

Flint, MI

#37 May 15, 2014
Really wrote:
<quoted text>And your "sources" for all your "information" on the "few" terrorist attacks under the Democrats?
You claimed Americans are less safe under Democrat Administrations I also provided credible information showing that your claim is false.. My included facts about the takeover of the Iranian embassy and Carter's response. Carter's response to free the hostages failed. Its that simple. I went so far as to provide information on terrorist attacks under each president since Gerald R. Ford, including the numbers of dead and the numbers of American's killed in these attacks. Are you disputing my facts? If so, lets see your facts to support you claim that American's are less safe under Democrat Administrations.

I also posted information regarding the bombing of the Beirut Marine Barracks in October 1983 during Reagan's presidency, including facts that shows this tragedy was the result of Reagan's orders that Marines and other military personnel there not be armed, not even the marine sentries on duty the morning of the explosion. Reagan's blunders clearly resulted in the deaths of 241 military personnel. Not only that, but after this tragedy Reagan just cut and run and never made any attempt to bring the perpetrators to justice. You want to know what really stinks about this is that on April 18, 1983, just 6 months prior to the bombing of the Marine barracks, a suicide bomber in a pickup truck loaded with explosives rammed into the U.S. Embassy in Beirut, Lebanon. Sixty-three people were killed, including 17 Americans, eight of whom were employees of the Central Intelligence Agency, including chief Middle East analyst Robert C. Ames and station chief Kenneth Haas.

Considering how the embassy in Beirut Lebanon was attacked with great loss of life in April 1983, how stupid was it of Reagan to respond by sending Marines there as "unarmed peacemakers". How could Reagan have been so stupid as to order that the military personnel on the ground there be unarmed, even the sentries guarding the Marine barracks the morning of the explosion that killed 241.

So tell us again Stupid ... just what information that I've posted do you object to. And tell us why you think Reagan should get a pass for the debacle he presided over in Lebanon in 1983
Rob

United States

#38 May 15, 2014
pipedream wrote:
<quoted text>You claimed Americans are less safe under Democrat Administrations I also provided credible information showing that your claim is false.. My included facts about the takeover of the Iranian embassy and Carter's response. Carter's response to free the hostages failed. Its that simple. I went so far as to provide information on terrorist attacks under each president since Gerald R. Ford, including the numbers of dead and the numbers of American's killed in these attacks. Are you disputing my facts? If so, lets see your facts to support you claim that American's are less safe under Democrat Administrations.

I also posted information regarding the bombing of the Beirut Marine Barracks in October 1983 during Reagan's presidency, including facts that shows this tragedy was the result of Reagan's orders that Marines and other military personnel there not be armed, not even the marine sentries on duty the morning of the explosion. Reagan's blunders clearly resulted in the deaths of 241 military personnel. Not only that, but after this tragedy Reagan just cut and run and never made any attempt to bring the perpetrators to justice. You want to know what really stinks about this is that on April 18, 1983, just 6 months prior to the bombing of the Marine barracks, a suicide bomber in a pickup truck loaded with explosives rammed into the U.S. Embassy in Beirut, Lebanon. Sixty-three people were killed, including 17 Americans, eight of whom were employees of the Central Intelligence Agency, including chief Middle East analyst Robert C. Ames and station chief Kenneth Haas.

Considering how the embassy in Beirut Lebanon was attacked with great loss of life in April 1983, how stupid was it of Reagan to respond by sending Marines there as "unarmed peacemakers". How could Reagan have been so stupid as to order that the military personnel on the ground there be unarmed, even the sentries guarding the Marine barracks the morning of the explosion that killed 241.

So tell us again Stupid ... just what information that I've posted do you object to. And tell us why you think Reagan should get a pass for the debacle he presided over in Lebanon in 1983
All this common sense you claim to have yet total ignorance on Benghazi. What a dope!!! For you it is always well they did it so why can't we.
pipedream

Flint, MI

#39 May 15, 2014
For anyone wanting to make Benghazi an issue, then Reagan and the two bushes are fair game also. Period.
Rob

United States

#40 May 15, 2014
pipedream wrote:
For anyone wanting to make Benghazi an issue, then Reagan and the two bushes are fair game also. Period.
You can raise any question you want even though they are far from the same thing. But if you want to stop being a hypocrite you would be all for getting truth and justice out of Benghazi for the families of the victims.

As was posted earlier:
We all know your reading and comprehension skill leave a lot to be desired so I am willing to give you another chance. Just have mommy read it to you and I will forget everything you just posted. Try to stay on topic. It might help if you take your meds first.

This is all beside the point though. This has nothing to do with embassies being attacked and people being killed under the Bush administration, and it's relationship to the outrage over Benghazi. This is the problem with you, you can't stay on one subject. Soon as you lose you try to change the subject.

"what difference does it make?"
The only relevance this has to the conversation is that terrorists did it and people died. This has nothing to do with Benghazi the Bush administration. Take your meds or find a thread a thread more suitable for you. It is easy to see that this one is much to complicated for you.

All other embassy's were vacant because of all the attempted killings and security breaches. They were increasing leading up to the attack. We were the last country to have someone still there. Why?

1. Prove there was a American that was killed
2. How long did the battle go on?
3. This video had nothing to do with Benghazi either. Bush could have picked any video.
4. Ya torture, lol! Obama just steps up the killing with no chance for intelligence.
5. Ok whateve
Really

Grand Rapids, MI

#41 May 15, 2014
pipedream wrote:
For anyone wanting to make Benghazi an issue, then Reagan and the two bushes are fair game also. Period.
How about Mr. Clinton and the aspirin factory? Oh wait, sorry, my bad....you only want to blame one side instead of all the politicians who don't give a crap about your sorry behind or anyone's but their own.
pipedream

Flint, MI

#42 May 15, 2014
You want to blame Clinton for that one?

How about this stupid. The U.S. government stated several reasons for its attack on the Al-shifa pharmaceutical factory in the Sudan:

1. Retaliation for the 1998 United States embassy bombings against the U.S. embassies in Dar es Salaam, Tanzania and Nairobi, Kenya.

2. The alleged use of the factory for the processing of VX nerve agent.
3. For alleged ties between the owners of the plant and al-Qaeda.

At least Clinton did something. More than you can say for Ronnie.
Phil

Oxford, MI

#43 May 15, 2014
pipedream wrote:
You want to blame Clinton for that one?

How about this stupid. The U.S. government stated several reasons for its attack on the Al-shifa pharmaceutical factory in the Sudan:

1. Retaliation for the 1998 United States embassy bombings against the U.S. embassies in Dar es Salaam, Tanzania and Nairobi, Kenya.

2. The alleged use of the factory for the processing of VX nerve agent.
3. For alleged ties between the owners of the plant and al-Qaeda.

At least Clinton did something. More than you can say for Ronnie.
1. Lol!!! Retaliation for 1998 bombings!!! You are a joke!!! Let's just bomb buildings that we allegedly think bad guys own, and we allegedly thing that they have ties to more bad guys. BTW did they ever find any nerve gas dipshit?
Batch 37 Pain Is Good

Plymouth, MI

#44 May 15, 2014
Phil wrote:
<quoted text>
1. Lol!!! Retaliation for 1998 bombings!!! You are a joke!!! Let's just bomb buildings that we allegedly think bad guys own, and we allegedly thing that they have ties to more bad guys. BTW did they ever find any nerve gas dipshit?
Funny how the children in diapers back then knew anything about what was really going on then....... Piper was finger painting with his own crap........
Phil

Oxford, MI

#45 May 15, 2014
Batch 37 Pain Is Good wrote:
<quoted text>Funny how the children in diapers back then knew anything about what was really going on then....... Piper was finger painting with his own crap........
Lol!!!!!!!!!! Ha, ha, ha...... Poor poledancer!!!!
Really

Grand Rapids, MI

#46 May 16, 2014
pipedream wrote:
You want to blame Clinton for that one?
How about this stupid. The U.S. government stated several reasons for its attack on the Al-shifa pharmaceutical factory in the Sudan:
1. Retaliation for the 1998 United States embassy bombings against the U.S. embassies in Dar es Salaam, Tanzania and Nairobi, Kenya.
2. The alleged use of the factory for the processing of VX nerve agent.
3. For alleged ties between the owners of the plant and al-Qaeda.
At least Clinton did something. More than you can say for Ronnie.
And I Call BS on your 3 points....history has proven that all 3 were lies as there were no nerve agents found at the factory, and retaliation???? That's a laugh..thanks I needed that this morning. And Clinton firmly denied that Al Qaeda even existed in the 90's and THAT was on tape for proof! You are a huge joke which we surely enjoy laughing at. Please note, I did NOT say laughing with since we laugh at you and your stupidity on a daily basis!

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