“Often imitated...poorl y”

Since: Feb 08

Just east of Lyra.

#83 Aug 25, 2012
vox veritatis wrote:
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Awww...what happened to that 'can't we all just get along' Wiggley? I think you'll find that your comment fits both sides of the issue.
Shall we beat this dead horse some more? Why not...I'm game this morning.
Once again...the constitution states that the government cannot establish a state religion. It further states that all citizens have the right to the free exercise of their chosen religion. It says nothing about freedom FROM religion or the right of any one individual (or the government, for that matter) to prevent another individual from the free exercise of their own religion or forcing that person to 'hide' their religion from view so they don't have to be 'exposed' to it.
The way you atheists go on an on about it, you'd think that people actually have the ability to force you to believe something against your will and all it takes is simply to come into contact with it. Are your minds and wills really that weak that you can't say, "meh...believe what you will, it's not for me" and move on?
This is an entirely dishonest post. Intelligent people do not object to anyone practicing any form of mythology they should choose. Most of us think it is stupid to build your lives around fiction, but no one would try to take away your right to do so.

It is when you start to make laws that interfere with our lives based on your particular fable that makes us whip out Amendment One and remind you that this behavior was a large part of what drove the American Revolution.

Indulge yourself in your delusions as much as you like. Just keep them out of our courtrooms, classrooms, bedrooms and women's wombs, and things will be as they should be.
Really

Grand Rapids, MI

#84 Aug 25, 2012
Cyclops Rex wrote:
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This is an entirely dishonest post. Intelligent people do not object to anyone practicing any form of mythology they should choose. Most of us think it is stupid to build your lives around fiction, but no one would try to take away your right to do so.
It is when you start to make laws that interfere with our lives based on your particular fable that makes us whip out Amendment One and remind you that this behavior was a large part of what drove the American Revolution.
Indulge yourself in your delusions as much as you like. Just keep them out of our courtrooms, classrooms, bedrooms and women's wombs, and things will be as they should be.
Well, since you are so much smarter than anyone else in the class, Rexie, please point out which laws have recently been passed that have forced any certain religion down your throat?? And please take note, I said LAWS, not things private citizens or churches are doing, such as Menorahs or Nativity displays.

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“Often imitated...poorl y”

Since: Feb 08

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#85 Aug 25, 2012
Really wrote:
<quoted text>Well, since you are so much smarter than anyone else in the class, Rexie, please point out which laws have recently been passed that have forced any certain religion down your throat?? And please take note, I said LAWS, not things private citizens or churches are doing, such as Menorahs or Nativity displays.
Well, just this year the teabagger Congress passed a number of so-called "personhood" bills, to appease the religious right lunatic fringe. Thankfully, most of them died in the Senate.

And I cannot even count the number of DOMA- type marriage laws on the books, all based on the christian myth.

I cannot even believe you asked that question and expected not to have me blast a winner on the return.
Really

Grand Rapids, MI

#86 Aug 25, 2012
Cyclops Rex wrote:
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Well, just this year the teabagger Congress passed a number of so-called "personhood" bills, to appease the religious right lunatic fringe. Thankfully, most of them died in the Senate.
And I cannot even count the number of DOMA- type marriage laws on the books, all based on the christian myth.
I cannot even believe you asked that question and expected not to have me blast a winner on the return.
Ah, but you didn't win. Those laws were NOT passed. And DOMA was just found to be unconstitutional by an appeals court. That particular law, if you would stop and think, was passed AND signed by Billy Boy Clinton. So, are you saying that the hero of the Democratic party, Bill Clinton, was appeasing the Christian Right?? Why did he need to do that? Perhaps you should leave your arrogance at the door and actually read the questions posed to you?

“Often imitated...poorl y”

Since: Feb 08

Just east of Lyra.

#87 Aug 25, 2012
Really wrote:
<quoted text>Ah, but you didn't win. Those laws were NOT passed. And DOMA was just found to be unconstitutional by an appeals court. That particular law, if you would stop and think, was passed AND signed by Billy Boy Clinton. So, are you saying that the hero of the Democratic party, Bill Clinton, was appeasing the Christian Right?? Why did he need to do that? Perhaps you should leave your arrogance at the door and actually read the questions posed to you?
In this case, the intent is as important as the deed. If Rmoney and Ryan get into office, those laws will be signed, without question. Hell, Ryan even sponsored a few of those bills himself.

Clinton signed DOMA because it was veto-proof, and unlike today's teabaggers, he thought better than bog down the entire legislative branch on a matter of principle.

The thing I hate the most about you people, is that you are too stupid to know when you have lost, thus making overkill a necessity.

Since: Mar 09

Grandville, MI

#88 Aug 25, 2012
Mr Wiggley wrote:
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I made no reference to any specific religion and was only pointing out to two posters that their interpretation of the Constitution was incorrect.
Why do religious people like you so quickly throw out the word hatred when someone just disagrees with you?
And don't even tell me you are agnostic.
It's "FREEDOM OF RELIGION" Not freedom FROM religion. Is it possible that your interpretation of the Constitution is incorrect?
The Constitution allows you your right to follow your atheist beliefs, and also allows everyone else to follow their own religeous beliefs, even though they differ from yours.
You just cant seem to accept the fact that others believe differntly than you do.
What I believe is my own business, and no one elses.
Same thing goes for you!
I dont care what you believe in, or dont believe in, that is your own personal business.
Your constant attacks on others that dont follow your atheist beliefs just shows that you, and many of your fellow atheists can not seem to accept the fact that there are others that dissagree with you.

Here's a quote from one of your extream left wing atheist friends that is a prime example of the hate speech that you folks seem to spew constantly:

"The thing I hate the most about you people, is that you are too stupid to know when you have lost, thus making overkill a necessity."

Why is it that you have no issue with that?
I guess that it's o-k with you, because it comes from another left wing atheist like yourself.
I guess that would make you a "hypocrite" wouldnt it.

Have a nice day!

“Often imitated...poorl y”

Since: Feb 08

Just east of Lyra.

#89 Aug 25, 2012
Gville Jim wrote:
<quoted text>It's "FREEDOM OF RELIGION" Not freedom FROM religion. Is it possible that your interpretation of the Constitution is incorrect?
The Constitution allows you your right to follow your atheist beliefs, and also allows everyone else to follow their own religeous beliefs, even though they differ from yours.
You just cant seem to accept the fact that others believe differntly than you do.
What I believe is my own business, and no one elses.
Same thing goes for you!
I dont care what you believe in, or dont believe in, that is your own personal business.
Your constant attacks on others that dont follow your atheist beliefs just shows that you, and many of your fellow atheists can not seem to accept the fact that there are others that dissagree with you.
Here's a quote from one of your extream left wing atheist friends that is a prime example of the hate speech that you folks seem to spew constantly:
"The thing I hate the most about you people, is that you are too stupid to know when you have lost, thus making overkill a necessity."
Why is it that you have no issue with that?
I guess that it's o-k with you, because it comes from another left wing atheist like yourself.
I guess that would make you a "hypocrite" wouldnt it.
Have a nice day!
Let me clarify, Jim, because you are an idiot.

I hate the fact that you are an idiot. I do not hate you for being one. You are free to be just as stupid as nature and your imaginary god intended. It is the fact that you are an idiot, and you are easily led by the nose, usually through your beliefs, that makes you and your ilk so damned frustrating to those of us who do not wish to live in a fascist oligarchy.

I know that this will do little to make it all sensible for you, due to your obvious deficiencies, but it still needed to be said.
Diggs

Grand Rapids, MI

#90 Aug 25, 2012
Mr Wiggley wrote:
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I was merely correcting these two grossly incorrect comments...
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If you don't like that tough toenails.
You babies are even starting to write like immature children. It's not that hard to figure out, little atheist children:

Two clauses in the First Amendment guarantee freedom of religion. The establishment clause prohibits the government from passing legislation to establish an official religion or preferring one religion over another. The free exercise clause prohibits the government, in most instances, from interfering with a person's practice of their religion.

That means when Mr and Mrs Ali Achbar decide to give their daughter a stoning under Sharia law on American soil they are subject to the same criminal laws as everyone else, but when someone decides to peacefully practice any religion or form of legal free speech they desire they are protected by law and from government - or stinky little God-haters like yourselves - to do so.

Twist and writhe, throw tantrums and argue all damned day, kiddies, until you finally succeed in convincing the ruling body the very first article of the US Constitution needs to be abandoned, you'll just have to stock up on Kleenex. Good luck with that :)

In other words, as young Mr Wiggley might say, "tough toenails".

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#91 Aug 25, 2012
Cyclops Rex wrote:
This is an entirely dishonest post.
Not that I agree with you, but let me borrow a recent line from your pal Wiggley: "if you don't like it, tough toenails".

BTW..I have seen plenty of proposals from you 'oh-so-tolerant' atheists wanting people to keep their religion 'behind closed doors'..but that wouldn't be trying to interfere with the free exercise of religion, would it? Not in your book, anyway.
Yes, you all are clearly frightened of religion to want it hidden from your sight, whether it be because you're afraid that just being exposed to it might somehow force you to believe it or whether you are afraid that someone might actually persuade you to accept their beliefs. Either way, the constant 'oh, we don't want to see it' is nothing less than fear. So I have to ask again...are you all so weak minded and weak willed that you have to be afraid of coming into contact with a belief that is different from your own?

“Selected Marksman”

Since: Aug 08

Northern Virginia

#92 Aug 25, 2012
Diggs wrote:
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You babies are even starting to write like immature children. It's not that hard to figure out, little atheist children:
Two clauses in the First Amendment guarantee freedom of religion. The establishment clause prohibits the government from passing legislation to establish an official religion or preferring one religion over another. The free exercise clause prohibits the government, in most instances, from interfering with a person's practice of their religion.
That means when Mr and Mrs Ali Achbar decide to give their daughter a stoning under Sharia law on American soil they are subject to the same criminal laws as everyone else, but when someone decides to peacefully practice any religion or form of legal free speech they desire they are protected by law and from government - or stinky little God-haters like yourselves - to do so.
Twist and writhe, throw tantrums and argue all damned day, kiddies, until you finally succeed in convincing the ruling body the very first article of the US Constitution needs to be abandoned, you'll just have to stock up on Kleenex. Good luck with that :)
In other words, as young Mr Wiggley might say, "tough toenails".
I understand being humiliated was not what you wanted to wake up to today so I also understand your feeble attempt to retaliate by what your perceive as an insult towards me.
Your failure and concession speech is noted.

“Selected Marksman”

Since: Aug 08

Northern Virginia

#93 Aug 25, 2012
Gville Jim wrote:
<quoted text>It's "FREEDOM OF RELIGION" Not freedom FROM religion. Is it possible that your interpretation of the Constitution is incorrect?
The Constitution allows you your right to follow your atheist beliefs, and also allows everyone else to follow their own religeous beliefs, even though they differ from yours.
You just cant seem to accept the fact that others believe differntly than you do.
What I believe is my own business, and no one elses.
Same thing goes for you!
I dont care what you believe in, or dont believe in, that is your own personal business.
Your constant attacks on others that dont follow your atheist beliefs just shows that you, and many of your fellow atheists can not seem to accept the fact that there are others that dissagree with you.
Here's a quote from one of your extream left wing atheist friends that is a prime example of the hate speech that you folks seem to spew constantly:
"The thing I hate the most about you people, is that you are too stupid to know when you have lost, thus making overkill a necessity."
Why is it that you have no issue with that?
I guess that it's o-k with you, because it comes from another left wing atheist like yourself.
I guess that would make you a "hypocrite" wouldnt it.
Have a nice day!
Your second paragraph contradicts your first paragraph.
Nothing more to say.

Since: Mar 09

Grandville, MI

#94 Aug 25, 2012
Cyclops Rex wrote:
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Let me clarify, Jim, because you are an idiot.
I hate the fact that you are an idiot. I do not hate you for being one. You are free to be just as stupid as nature and your imaginary god intended. It is the fact that you are an idiot, and you are easily led by the nose, usually through your beliefs, that makes you and your ilk so damned frustrating to those of us who do not wish to live in a fascist oligarchy.
I know that this will do little to make it all sensible for you, due to your obvious deficiencies, but it still needed to be said.
Wow! thats all you have?
You have NO idea what I believe in or dont believe in!
And yet all you can do is swear, and call people names?
You should seek help soon!
You've gone down the path of your leader, you seem to follow him without question.
I feel sad for you and your fellow sheep.

Since: Mar 09

Grandville, MI

#96 Aug 25, 2012
Mr Wiggley wrote:
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Your second paragraph contradicts your first paragraph.
Nothing more to say.
Is that a promise?

“Selected Marksman”

Since: Aug 08

Northern Virginia

#97 Aug 25, 2012
Gville Jim wrote:
<quoted text>Is that a promise?
What??? That you contradicted yourself and didn't even know it?
I guess if you want me to promise I will...it was just a statement of fact.
Really

Grand Rapids, MI

#98 Aug 25, 2012
Cyclops Rex wrote:
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In this case, the intent is as important as the deed. If Rmoney and Ryan get into office, those laws will be signed, without question. Hell, Ryan even sponsored a few of those bills himself.
Clinton signed DOMA because it was veto-proof, and unlike today's teabaggers, he thought better than bog down the entire legislative branch on a matter of principle.
The thing I hate the most about you people, is that you are too stupid to know when you have lost, thus making overkill a necessity.
Sorry, Rexie, I keep forgetting the motto that the progressives coined after Clinton was in office. "don't pay attention to what was done, look at the intentions. Oh wait, that only applies to everyone else." You are so transparent it's truly becoming boring. Perhaps you should take your superior "knowledge" to Obama, he sure could use some help these days. I kind of feel sorry for him, he has to deal with Biden AND chewing on his own shoe leather.

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#99 Aug 26, 2012
I still can't believe that all the democrats took pictures of their junk and put it on twitter

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#100 Aug 26, 2012
I agree with Rex!
The government should pay for all abortions!
Even Post birth.
If you dont agree with Rex, then you are racist!!
Go OBAMA!

“Lost my mind”

Since: Apr 07

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#101 Aug 26, 2012
Cyclops Rex wrote:
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In this case, the intent is as important as the deed. If Rmoney and Ryan get into office, those laws will be signed, without question. Hell, Ryan even sponsored a few of those bills himself.
Clinton signed DOMA because it was veto-proof, and unlike today's teabaggers, he thought better than bog down the entire legislative branch on a matter of principle.
The thing I hate the most about you people, is that you are too stupid to know when you have lost, thus making overkill a necessity.
Maybe you should consider at least thinking about the BS Dems in the Senate who haven't passed a DAMN thing the House has sent them, including numerous budgets. In fact, Reid declared anything sent from the House was DOA.

How, who's bogging down the entire legislative branch as a matter of principle?
Mark

Rockford, MI

#102 Aug 26, 2012
You guys are giving Rex an aneurism...and it appears to be affecting his judgment. Rex was you dad older when he and your momma conceived you?

http://medicalxpress.com/news/2012-08-childre...
Harry B Hind

Grand Rapids, MI

#103 Aug 27, 2012
Bubbly4now wrote:
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I keep wondering about the unholy spirit that took control of the 20 some - Republicans on an official visit to Israel. Seems they had a little too much wine and jumped into the Sea of Galilee without their underpants.
There was a child there, and I wonder if the kid will need counseling -- as I'm sure that was quite a sight.
One can only pray, some nice Israeli had a video camera handy.
People have been jumping naked into the Sea of Galilee since the time of Christ. Seems the appropriate attire for taking a plunge. Now "working in the oval office without a pants on is a different story!

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