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Liberty University Law School Dean: Gay Marriage is 'Beginning...

There are 311 comments on the Cybercast News Service story from Aug 5, 2014, titled Liberty University Law School Dean: Gay Marriage is 'Beginning.... In it, Cybercast News Service reports that:

Mathew D. Staver, dean of the Liberty University School of Law, said that efforts to change the definition of marriage to include same-sex "marriage" would be like trying to re-define the law of gravity, adding that, if it were tried, it would mark "the beginning of the end of Western civilization."

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DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#168 Aug 9, 2014
Dr X wrote:
<quoted text>It's a Catch-22. On one hand, you could argue that the law applies to everyone equally across the board thus rendering religious exemptions DOA. But part of the "equal" part of our nation's law is that it permits the freedom of religion and that of certain religious beliefs. Case in point is ongoing in Colorado where, as you know, a judge has ordered a baker to bake a wedding cake for a gay couple even though it's against the bakers religious beliefs. So, what's the answer?
No the judge never ordered the baker to bake the cake
Dr X wrote:
<quoted text> It could be argued that the baker is ignoring the rights of the gay couple and that, in doing so, he's violating the Constitution. It can also be argued that it is the baker who's rights are being infringed upon because he's being ordered to do something that is clearly against his personal faith. I see a dangerous trend here. I can foresee the day when religion, in general, is deemed too much of a burden on society and thus is cast away indefinitely. We know what happens after that...don't we?
Fine. If the baker gets to claim religious freedom as a reason he's immune then so can anyone for anything.

All those parents who murdered their children because "God told them to" or because "the devil was in it" did the right thing and should be free, right?

People should be allowed to stone others to death, right?
No the judge never ordered the baker to bake the cake

“Common sense prevails.”

Since: Mar 14

3rd rock from the sun.

#169 Aug 9, 2014
Batch 37 Pain Is Good wrote:
<quoted text>What is in the States Interest for any "marriage" then? Say it..... What?
The state establishes legal kinship, this comes into play for the purposes of taxation, property, inheritance and so on.

With or without a church ceremony, regardless of age, procreational ability or gender make up, a pair of non related adults can be married with full recognition by the state and federal government.

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#170 Aug 9, 2014
Really wrote:
<quoted text>Wow! the delusional one would be you. however, please continue as your argument only makes your views more ridiculous to someone with critical thinking skills.
OK.

critical thinking skills

Try this one on for size.

The claim is SSM will destroy traditional marriage.

SSM has been around for over 25 years now.

How many traditional marriages have been destroyed as a result of SSM?

“Common sense prevails.”

Since: Mar 14

3rd rock from the sun.

#171 Aug 9, 2014
Really wrote:
<quoted text>And those honorable judges are being swayed by 2% of the population and not the actual constitution.
Yes dearie, these judges ALL across the country who have degrees and know constitutional law forward, backwards and upside down are ALL blinded by 2%(?) of the total population.

Yep, I laughed too when I read it.

You are one of the best arguments for SSM, keep blathering away. People everywhere will be staying away in droves to be associated with you;0)

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#172 Aug 9, 2014
Duncan wrote:
Dean Staver is 100% correct on this.
Time for some serious questions.

If SSM destroys traditional marriages how many traditional marriages has SSM destroyed since Jul 24, 2011 in NEW YORK?

If SSM destroys traditional marriages how many traditional marriages has SSM destroyed since Mar 9, 2010 in WASHINGTON, D.C.?

If SSM destroys traditional marriages how many traditional marriages has SSM destroyed ince Jan 1, 2010 in NEW HAMPSHIRE?

How many traditional marriages has SSM destroyed since Sep 1, 2009 in VERMONT?

How many traditional marriages has SSM destroyed since Apr 24, 2009 in IOWA?

How many traditional marriages has SSM destroyed since Nov 12, 2008 in CONNECTICUT?

How many traditional marriages has SSM destroyed since May 17, 2004 in MASSACHUSETTS?

How many traditional marriages has SSM destroyed since Aug 1, 2013 in MINNESOTA?

How many traditional marriages has SSM destroyed since Aug 1, 2013 in RHODE ISLAND?

How many traditional marriages has SSM destroyed since Jul 1, 2013 in DELAWARE?

How many traditional marriages has SSM destroyed since Jun 28, 2013 in CALIFORNIA?

How many traditional marriages has SSM destroyed since Jan 1, 2013 in MARYLAND?

How many traditional marriages has SSM destroyed since Dec 29, 2012 in MAINE?

How many traditional marriages has SSM destroyed since Dec 9, 2012 in WASHINGTON?

How many traditional marriages has SSM destroyed since June 1 2014 in ILLINOIS ?

How many traditional marriages has SSM destroyed since May 20, 2014 in PENNSYLVANIA ?

How many traditional marriages has SSM destroyed since May 19, 2014 in OREGON ?

How many traditional marriages has SSM destroyed since Dec 19, 2013 in NEW MEXICO?

How many traditional marriages has SSM destroyed since Dec 2, 2013 in HAWAII?

How many traditional marriages has SSM destroyed since Oct 21, 2013 in NEW JERSEY?
Dr X

Grandville, MI

#173 Aug 9, 2014
DNF wrote:
<quoted text>
No the judge never ordered the baker to bake the cake
<quoted text>Fine. If the baker gets to claim religious freedom as a reason he's immune then so can anyone for anything.
All those parents who murdered their children because "God told them to" or because "the devil was in it" did the right thing and should be free, right?
People should be allowed to stone others to death, right?
No the judge never ordered the baker to bake the cake
Your arguments are that of a teenage adolescent. You are actually comparing what I said about the Colorado issue--which by the way, the judge DID side against the baker-- to murder...specifically individuals who murder in the name of God? You progressive communists are always trying to paint the other side of a constitutional argument as an extreme. Hey pal, guess what? The jig is up, you're exposed and the progressive movement in this country is going down. If you don't like that fact then you are more then free to GTFO! Like I've told that POS Pipesmoker, you should move to Europe where they like your sort.
Dr X

Grandville, MI

#174 Aug 9, 2014
By the way DNF, I think I need to tell you this. By the actions of the progressive movement, they are facilitating a pathway for Christian fascism to take root here. That my friend, is coming if the progressive movement continues. You'll see. A return back to 17th century England, care of the progressive idiots. Irony never had as much meaning.
Really

Grand Rapids, MI

#175 Aug 10, 2014
Abrahammock Regions wrote:
<quoted text>
Neither courts nor legislators nor educated persons demand that every right or law be found in literal text in the Constitution. That is a stupid idea you are pretending to push. Marriage has obviously been found to be a right, just as keeping your cell phone contents private from police without a warrant has been found to be a right - even though "cell phone" is not found in the Constitution.
You may have whatever opinion you want. And I can call you an uneducated moron by the same token. Go cry to Fox News, ignorant tee baggrz.
The level of sheer idiocy and denial and disingenuousness on the right is vile.
And I can call you an ignorant, racist, angry lib and there is nothing you can do about it . What would it accomplish? Absolutely nothing. But, since you seem to be one who prefers name calling and immature profanity, you go right ahead. You can be ignored just as well.
Really

Grand Rapids, MI

#176 Aug 10, 2014
DebraE wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes dearie, these judges ALL across the country who have degrees and know constitutional law forward, backwards and upside down are ALL blinded by 2%(?) of the total population.
Yep, I laughed too when I read it.
You are one of the best arguments for SSM, keep blathering away. People everywhere will be staying away in droves to be associated with you;0)
Actually, people everywhere are seeing you for what you are....an angry, loud, bigoted group of people hell bent on shoving your lifestyle on everyone else. All the while, you demand tolerance from everyone else and exhibit ZERO tolerance for anyone who disagrees with you and your opinions. It is totally obvious to more and more people who the actual intolerant, bigoted bullies are in this country and it is about 2% of the population, no where near the majority despite all your chest thumping, sign carrying screaming you do.

Since: Mar 07

Location hidden

#177 Aug 10, 2014
Really wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually, people everywhere are seeing you for what you are....an angry, loud, bigoted group of people hell bent on shoving your lifestyle on everyone else. All the while, you demand tolerance from everyone else and exhibit ZERO tolerance for anyone who disagrees with you and your opinions.......
This is indeed a problem with MANY so-called Christians, but even their numbers are dwindling.

The majority of Americans have no problem with the existence of gay folks, or ensuring that they have equal protections under the law.

“Common sense prevails.”

Since: Mar 14

3rd rock from the sun.

#178 Aug 10, 2014
Really wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually, people everywhere are seeing you for what you are....an angry, loud, bigoted group of people hell bent on shoving your lifestyle on everyone else. All the while, you demand tolerance from everyone else and exhibit ZERO tolerance for anyone who disagrees with you and your opinions. It is totally obvious to more and more people who the actual intolerant, bigoted bullies are in this country and it is about 2% of the population, no where near the majority despite all your chest thumping, sign carrying screaming you do.
Sorry dearie, my lifestyle is to work for a living.

BTW, I'm straight;0)
Ted Haggard s Gospel Rub

Philadelphia, PA

#179 Aug 10, 2014
Really wrote:
<quoted text>And I can call you an ignorant, racist, angry lib and there is nothing you can do about it . What would it accomplish? Absolutely nothing. But, since you seem to be one who prefers name calling and immature profanity, you go right ahead. You can be ignored just as well.
Hey stupid filth, the difference is there was content in my post. Actual arguments.

That fundie trash was lying about "believing in" science, was lying that civil unions are the same as marriage, was lying about not being against every advance of lgbt rights before and after marriage equality, was lying about the suggestion of civil unions (supposedly for everyone) was not based in anti gay bigotry.

Then the filth lied that I am the bigot here, even though I have never similarly said that talibangelical, moronic bigots may not marry, adopt, serve openly, be protected from arbitrary firing.

The right wing mind is so addled, so uneducated, so superstitious, so self deluding, so over confident, that it's sickening. You cannot fix that degree of stupidity and brainwashing. But it's fun to let the evilgelicals know that educated society is increasingly going to dismiss them as just another incarnation of the kkk, nothing more. Amen, you dumb pos.
Really

Grand Rapids, MI

#180 Aug 11, 2014
Ted Haggard s Gospel Rub wrote:
<quoted text>
Hey stupid filth, the difference is there was content in my post. Actual arguments.
That fundie trash was lying about "believing in" science, was lying that civil unions are the same as marriage, was lying about not being against every advance of lgbt rights before and after marriage equality, was lying about the suggestion of civil unions (supposedly for everyone) was not based in anti gay bigotry.
Then the filth lied that I am the bigot here, even though I have never similarly said that talibangelical, moronic bigots may not marry, adopt, serve openly, be protected from arbitrary firing.
The right wing mind is so addled, so uneducated, so superstitious, so self deluding, so over confident, that it's sickening. You cannot fix that degree of stupidity and brainwashing. But it's fun to let the evilgelicals know that educated society is increasingly going to dismiss them as just another incarnation of the kkk, nothing more. Amen, you dumb pos.
Juvenile name calling...typical of an angry, racist, bigoted lib. Your "arguments" are nothing more than hate filled tripe for anyone who disagrees with your opinions. The only thing about tolerance you know is perhaps how to spell it. Perhaps someday when you grow up, you will learn how to have a civil discussion with those who disagree with you. Then again, if no one has bothered to show you how to do that, perhaps you won't.
Really

Grand Rapids, MI

#181 Aug 11, 2014
DebraE wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry dearie, my lifestyle is to work for a living.
BTW, I'm straight;0)
Whatever. You still exhibit no tolerance for those who disagree with you, something you seem to be demanding from those who disagree with you. BTW, I'm straight and I work for a living as well. Do you want a pat on the back or an attaboy?
Batch 37 Pain Is Good

Brighton, MI

#182 Aug 11, 2014
Ted Haggard s Gospel Rub wrote:
<quoted text>
Hey stupid filth, the difference is there was content in my post. Actual arguments.
That fundie trash was lying about "believing in" science, was lying that civil unions are the same as marriage, was lying about not being against every advance of lgbt rights before and after marriage equality, was lying about the suggestion of civil unions (supposedly for everyone) was not based in anti gay bigotry.
Then the filth lied that I am the bigot here, even though I have never similarly said that talibangelical, moronic bigots may not marry, adopt, serve openly, be protected from arbitrary firing.
The right wing mind is so addled, so uneducated, so superstitious, so self deluding, so over confident, that it's sickening. You cannot fix that degree of stupidity and brainwashing. But it's fun to let the evilgelicals know that educated society is increasingly going to dismiss them as just another incarnation of the kkk, nothing more. Amen, you dumb pos.
You are still a hate filled bigot...... Wonder if you are racist too.....

Since: Mar 07

Location hidden

#183 Aug 11, 2014
Really wrote:
<quoted text>Whatever. You still exhibit no tolerance for those who disagree with you, something you seem to be demanding from those who disagree with you. BTW, I'm straight and I work for a living as well. Do you want a pat on the back or an attaboy?
Well, when the "disagreement" surrounds the basic humanity of others, and a need to deny disliked groups basic civil and human rights, there is NO need to be tolerant.

One should never be tolerant of lies, oppression, irrational discrimination, or allowing harm to other citizens simply because some group or another doesn't like or understand them.
Batch 37 Pain Is Good

Keego Harbor, MI

#184 Aug 11, 2014
Quest wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, when the "disagreement" surrounds the basic humanity of others, and a need to deny disliked groups basic civil and human rights, there is NO need to be tolerant.
One should never be tolerant of lies, oppression, irrational discrimination, or allowing harm to other citizens simply because some group or another doesn't like or understand them.
Isn't that special....... You just identified your militant response....... You are not a victim of any of what you listed but accurately display how you treat those who have their own opinions...... Bigot.....

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#185 Aug 11, 2014
Dr X wrote:
<quoted text>Your arguments are that of a teenage adolescent. You are actually comparing what I said about the Colorado issue--which by the way, the judge DID side against the baker-- to murder...specifically individuals who murder in the name of God? You progressive communists are always trying to paint the other side of a constitutional argument as an extreme. Hey pal, guess what? The jig is up, you're exposed and the progressive movement in this country is going down. If you don't like that fact then you are more then free to GTFO! Like I've told that POS Pipesmoker, you should move to Europe where they like your sort.
LMAO

SPARE ME THE RELIGIOUS FREEDOM CRAP!

FACT: Indiana GOP passes law making it a crime for clergy to perform gay weddings
7/9/2013

BTW why is a will in Alabama invalid when the man leaves his estate to his spouse?
Gay Widower Shares Heartbreaking Story Of Why He's Suing Alabama

"No story breaks the heart quite like one about love.

In a conversation with HuffPost Live's Marc Lamont Hill about whether Alabama is falling behind in the nationwide fight for lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender equality, the story took a more personal turn.

Paul Hard, an associate professor and department counselor at Auburn University, opened up about how he was denied access to his husband's hospital room after he was killed in a car accident. Hard said he "had to stand and plead to be allowed into his room" but was forbidden because of Alabama's ban on gay marriage.

"The nurse that I saw in the emergency room that said,'Iím sorry, but I can't let you see David,' apologetically and very tearfully later on said,ĎIím sorry. I would have let you in if I could,'" Hard said. "This law makes unwilling accomplices of decent people."

The "final straw," however, was when Hard found out that his husband's death certificate read "never married." Even though the couple had legally wed in Massachusetts, Alabama did not recognize the marriage or grant Hard any legal standing over his partner's will. Hard is now suing Alabama to challenge the state's ban on same-sex marriage.

He added that the more personal the fight of LGBT rights becomes, the more likely change is to happen.

"Very often folks here in Alabama say,'You know, I voted for that law, but I would never have put you through what youíve gone through,' Hard said. "It's one thing ... as a matter of my personal principal to stand up for traditional marriage, however that's understood to be. But when [opponents] start seeing the human toll that takes on people and how that affects other human beings, Iíve seen people back up from that."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/06/gay-...

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#186 Aug 11, 2014
DNF wrote:
<quoted text>Time for some serious questions.
If SSM destroys traditional marriages how many traditional marriages has SSM destroyed since Jul 24, 2011 in NEW YORK?
If SSM destroys traditional marriages how many traditional marriages has SSM destroyed since Mar 9, 2010 in WASHINGTON, D.C.?
If SSM destroys traditional marriages how many traditional marriages has SSM destroyed ince Jan 1, 2010 in NEW HAMPSHIRE?
How many traditional marriages has SSM destroyed since Sep 1, 2009 in VERMONT?
How many traditional marriages has SSM destroyed since Apr 24, 2009 in IOWA?
How many traditional marriages has SSM destroyed since Nov 12, 2008 in CONNECTICUT?
How many traditional marriages has SSM destroyed since May 17, 2004 in MASSACHUSETTS?
How many traditional marriages has SSM destroyed since Aug 1, 2013 in MINNESOTA?
How many traditional marriages has SSM destroyed since Aug 1, 2013 in RHODE ISLAND?
How many traditional marriages has SSM destroyed since Jul 1, 2013 in DELAWARE?
How many traditional marriages has SSM destroyed since Jun 28, 2013 in CALIFORNIA?
How many traditional marriages has SSM destroyed since Jan 1, 2013 in MARYLAND?
How many traditional marriages has SSM destroyed since Dec 29, 2012 in MAINE?
How many traditional marriages has SSM destroyed since Dec 9, 2012 in WASHINGTON?
How many traditional marriages has SSM destroyed since June 1 2014 in ILLINOIS ?
How many traditional marriages has SSM destroyed since May 20, 2014 in PENNSYLVANIA ?
How many traditional marriages has SSM destroyed since May 19, 2014 in OREGON ?
How many traditional marriages has SSM destroyed since Dec 19, 2013 in NEW MEXICO?
How many traditional marriages has SSM destroyed since Dec 2, 2013 in HAWAII?
How many traditional marriages has SSM destroyed since Oct 21, 2013 in NEW JERSEY?
I sincerely hope that anti=gays can come up= with real numbers since this is the main basis for their appeals!.
Holy Silicon Wafer

Philadelphia, PA

#187 Aug 11, 2014
Really wrote:
<quoted text>Juvenile name calling...typical of an angry, racist, bigoted lib. Your "arguments" are nothing more than hate filled tripe for anyone who disagrees with your opinions. The only thing about tolerance you know is perhaps how to spell it. Perhaps someday when you grow up, you will learn how to have a civil discussion with those who disagree with you. Then again, if no one has bothered to show you how to do that, perhaps you won't.
Wrong again, filth, Of course you're an ignorant, uneducated, mouthbreathing bigot, but I mentioned some actual arguments.

The idiot fundie in question is a serial liar:

Lied that those who condemn bigots are the _real_ bigots.

Lied about "believing in" science.

Lied about how it's impossible to say how old the earth is since you "weren't present."

Lied about civil unions being the same as marriage.

Lied about how suddenly suggesting civil unions, supposedly for everyone, is not merely and anti lgbt gambit.

And so on.

You can't refute that, so all you do is whine about namecalling. I'll tell you what, you stupid mullah, you go complain equally about Ann Coulter and Rushkiting L.'s use of invective.

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