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Liberty University Law School Dean: Gay Marriage is 'Beginning...

There are 311 comments on the Cybercast News Service story from Aug 5, 2014, titled Liberty University Law School Dean: Gay Marriage is 'Beginning.... In it, Cybercast News Service reports that:

Mathew D. Staver, dean of the Liberty University School of Law, said that efforts to change the definition of marriage to include same-sex "marriage" would be like trying to re-define the law of gravity, adding that, if it were tried, it would mark "the beginning of the end of Western civilization."

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Batch 37 Pain Is Good

Plymouth, MI

#47 Aug 6, 2014
passing by wrote:
<quoted text>It was the best way to make the point, that your wanting to legally nullify the existence of every marriage that has ever entered into, in order to slap a yet unidentified generic label on the relationship, for no other reason than a few folk unable to differentiate the concepts of religious and civil marriages, is going absolutely nowhere, because it insults the intelligence of everyone but you. Sorry, but y'all are just going to have to work on your coping skills on this one, the religious don't have a proprietary right to the word marriage, it was around before they were.
As stated before, no nullification is needed. I get the differences and why would a civil document be something it is not? You want to change the meaning of a word and I only suggest changing the name of the contract that gives equal rights to couples to run their affairs........ I think more mileage will be had by eliminating the word in a secular government operation. There is no need for the State to use the term in the future for your secular view....... The one thing, a word, has no real use for the purpose of a legal contract with the State. Good luck in Cincy Fed Court of Appeals today.
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#48 Aug 6, 2014
Rainbow Justice wrote:
the absolutes of law
You bet. Just ask OJ.
Batch 37 Pain Is Good

Plymouth, MI

#49 Aug 6, 2014
Rainbow Justice wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't see how Jerry Falwell's Liberty University students can graduate and make a living as lawyers; let alone to ever win a case
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Religious superstition is a total disconnect from the absolutes of law
So statutes never change........ The cast system in India has lots of beliefs too. Half the country craps in farm fields or edge of woods. They don't know why they get diarrhea and other diseases as they pick crops and take to market. They can't see the bacteria physically so they don't believe anything is on the produce........ The govt is trying to build toilets into villages but the people think it is disgusting and also having one in the house is disgusting too. Who wants to eat and sleep in the same place a toilet is at........ Your bigotry and bias is showing through in regards to graduates of LU law. They are sought after by many firms.......
passing by

Salina, KS

#50 Aug 6, 2014
Batch 37 Pain Is Good wrote:
As stated before, no nullification is needed.
As stated before, if existing marriages are not nullified, you create a two tier system with separate recognitions, which is inherently unequal.
Batch 37 Pain Is Good wrote:
I get the differences and why would a civil document be something it is not?
Obviously not or you wouldn't want to rename the civil to appease some of the religious.
Batch 37 Pain Is Good wrote:
You want to change the meaning of a word and I only suggest changing the name of the contract that gives equal rights to couples to run their affairs........
The "definition" changed the moment that the first same sex couple legally entered a marriage, you're a decade late and an idea short.
Batch 37 Pain Is Good wrote:
I think more mileage will be had by eliminating the word in a secular government operation. There is no need for the State to use the term in the future for your secular view....... The one thing, a word, has no real use for the purpose of a legal contract with the State. Good luck in Cincy Fed Court of Appeals today.
If you were thinking you wouldn't be beating a dead horse. The religious types are just going to have to work on their coping skills. as there is absolutely no need to rename the civil contract due to their choice of religious bigotries.
Ex Senator Stillborn

Philadelphia, PA

#51 Aug 6, 2014
Batch 37 Pain Is Good wrote:
<quoted text>What a bigoted hater....
Educated society has had enough of your lies and sexually sick defamation, so you better get used to being called out on your bigotry.

No one said you can't marry, adopt, serve openly, be protected from arbitrary firing just because you're a fundie loon. I'm not the bigot. liar.

Marriage has not been "one man and one woman" as you like to lie. Not until very recently in Western history. Thus, marriage has already undergone "re definition."

There are no legal arrangements which can substitute for a marriage license, as you lied. If you wish to maintain such a thing is possible then we can have those arrangements for any fundies who want to couple instead of letting _them_ marry.

None of this is about scripture, as evilgelicals like to lie. You don't see those xstain mullahs carrying on similarly about adulterers, the divorced, unrepentant coveters. So we know it's homophobia, not about scripture. If it were about scripture the "religious" trash would be demanding that adulterers not be permitted to marry.

You have a mental disorder is all. And you're uneducated. And you lie serially without a second thought.

Educated society will "pray for your eternal soul," bigot.
Ex Senator Stillborn

Philadelphia, PA

#52 Aug 6, 2014
Batch 37 Pain Is Good wrote:
<quoted text>Try picking up the book at the library..... It is called "Rules for Radicals"
That is a Fox News trope, and has nothing to do with your serial lying or my pleasure at calling sick, lying homophobes to account.

Lying is a sin, too, Jethro. You remember that next time you contemplate jeesus.
Ex Senator Stillborn

Philadelphia, PA

#53 Aug 6, 2014
Batch 37 Pain Is Good wrote:
<quoted text>OK, now you sound militant....
You are the theocratic extremist. Most Christians in the West, including in the US, favor even marriage equality.

You lose, Gomer.

Since: Aug 11

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#54 Aug 6, 2014
Rainbow Justice wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't see how Jerry Falwell's Liberty University students can graduate and make a living as lawyers; let alone to ever win a case
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Religious superstition is a total disconnect from the absolutes of law
That says it all. They can join the long string of losers.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#55 Aug 6, 2014
Do you think they can win court cases using such straw man arguments?

“Common sense prevails.”

Since: Mar 14

3rd rock from the sun.

#56 Aug 6, 2014
"It's the end of Western Civilisation as we know it
and I feel fine."

Apologies to R.E.M. ;0)

passing by

Salina, KS

#57 Aug 6, 2014
Rainbow Justice wrote:
I don't see how Jerry Falwell's Liberty University students can graduate and make a living as lawyers; let alone to ever win a case
.
Religious superstition is a total disconnect from the absolutes of law
There's actually a fairly sizable job market for good Christian lawyers. Their fellow good Christians are a fairly litigious bunch and then when you add in all the ones whose bigotry runs them afoul of various anti-discrimination laws, they have plenty of work to go around. Liberty grads are probably always welcome over at Liberty Counsel, the Heritage Foundation's non-profit good Christian legal group. If you have a good Christian cause and imagine you have a lawsuit, they are the pro bono answer to your prayers. Their track record is so-so, they win the easy cases, but tend to flame out when the stakes are higher. A sample of their handiwork can be seen in their representation of disappearing good Christian ex-lesbian bio-mom and child abductor Lisa Miller and her co-conspirators.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#58 Aug 6, 2014
passing by wrote:
<quoted text>There's actually a fairly sizable job market for good Christian lawyers. Their fellow good Christians are a fairly litigious bunch and then when you add in all the ones whose bigotry runs them afoul of various anti-discrimination laws, they have plenty of work to go around. Liberty grads are probably always welcome over at Liberty Counsel, the Heritage Foundation's non-profit good Christian legal group. If you have a good Christian cause and imagine you have a lawsuit, they are the pro bono answer to your prayers. Their track record is so-so, they win the easy cases, but tend to flame out when the stakes are higher. A sample of their handiwork can be seen in their representation of disappearing good Christian ex-lesbian bio-mom and child abductor Lisa Miller and her co-conspirators.
That says it all.
Batch 37 Pain Is Good

Northville, MI

#59 Aug 7, 2014
Wow, bigotry from Homosexuals is astounding...... One word that I suggest is so important to seize on by them that there can be no other way....... A hateful lot has been exposed....... They are unreasonable....... No couple, homo or hetero, would have unequal treatment in society, as much as claimed. All comments appear to be from outside the State of Michigan which indicates trolling for any subject matter on a national level....... No quarter on this subject in ANY capacity...
Really

Wyoming, MI

#60 Aug 7, 2014
Batch 37 Pain Is Good wrote:
Wow, bigotry from Homosexuals is astounding...... One word that I suggest is so important to seize on by them that there can be no other way....... A hateful lot has been exposed....... They are unreasonable....... No couple, homo or hetero, would have unequal treatment in society, as much as claimed. All comments appear to be from outside the State of Michigan which indicates trolling for any subject matter on a national level....... No quarter on this subject in ANY capacity...
You sound surprised? Why are you surprised? Unless and until this country decides that 2 or 3% of the citizenry are NOT the majority, this will continue.
Batch 37 Pain Is Good

Northville, MI

#61 Aug 7, 2014
Really wrote:
<quoted text>You sound surprised? Why are you surprised? Unless and until this country decides that 2 or 3% of the citizenry are NOT the majority, this will continue.
Not really surprised. I conducted an experiment that provided reinforcement of what the pundits have been talking about when dealing with the militant homosexual lobby. First, they are unreasonable when offered a remedy to their demands...... They want to include the word marriage in a State license. They claim they want to be secular but want to use a term that has a traditional connotation. Two, they are bigoted against a vast majority of people who hold a religious belief. The hate for these people is off the chart. Why would they want to emulate the very thing they hate....... For years we hear they can't visit their partner in a hospital because they are not family...... A, let's call it a "domestic license", would remedy this and allow them to pay additional taxes because of the license like the rest of us....... Nope, they claim it would be unequal when it is not since hetero couples would have to get the same license once the word marriage is replaced. They only serve to alienate themselves by being bigoted and hateful toward their neighbors...... Militant approaches does not endear sympathy and even if they win, their case will not make gains with those they blame for their perceived problems........
Latter Day Taints

Philadelphia, PA

#62 Aug 7, 2014
Batch 37 Pain Is Good wrote:
Wow, bigotry from Homosexuals is astounding....
You are unhinged, you stupid bigot. Neither lgbt nor str8 allies said you sexually depraved homophobes may not have equal rights in marriage or adoption or military service or private sexual conduct or employment protections.

We know who the bigots are, and there's nothing wrong with calling out the uneducated kkk members or anti Semities or homophobes on their bigotry. They have fully earned the enmity with which educated society looks upon them.

Amen.
Latter Day Taints

Philadelphia, PA

#63 Aug 7, 2014
Batch 37 Pain Is Good wrote:
<quoted text>First, they are unreasonable when offered a remedy to their demands...... They want to include the word marriage in a State license. They claim they want to be secular but want to use a term that has a traditional connotation. Two, they are bigoted against a vast majority of people who hold a religious belief....For years we hear they can't visit their partner in a hospital because they are not family...... A, let's call it a "domestic license"
You are an ignorant liar, beginning to end.

Fundie trash don't and haven't merely opposed marriage equality. They've opposed every instance of equal lgbt rights.

Most of the educated states already have marriage equality using the word "marriage" on the license. Your wording to the contrary is a lie. It has already substantially happened.

Marriage is a legal contract. Any religious ceremony is purely optional. You're confused.

The majority of Christians in the West and in the US might have a "religious" belief, but it is not a homophobic one, because the majority of Christians now support marriage equality.

There is more to marriage than hospital visitation rights, although that's been one effective example. No "domestic license" confers the 1000+ federal benefits or remains in effect when traveling abroad. You are lying again.

But since you think this fictional "domestic license" is good enough for others then I think that's what we should offer fundie trash...rather than a marriage license. See how they like being treated as they would treat others.

You talibangelical trash are outliers except in your backwards, buybull enclaves.

Now go equally bar those who take the lawd's name in vain from marriage, adoption, military service and employment protection rights._That's_ a Commandment.(In other words, you merely have a sex problem. It has nothing to do with any "religious" belief.)
Batch 37 Pain Is Good

Royal Oak, MI

#64 Aug 7, 2014
You can see the hatred and bigotry exhibited by the above poster...... Another example of how unreasonable and unhinged the militant homosexual has become...... They seem to lack social skills that would help them gain acceptance to the majority of society...... Tragic really.... A lost opportunity.......
Rainbow Kid

Alpharetta, GA

#65 Aug 7, 2014
Batch 37 Pain Is Good wrote:
<quoted text>OK, now you sound militant...... Why is it so important for you to take on a word that has a religious connotation which you seem to driven crazy about..... Why do you want to get so near those you despise in society? I am sure it goes beyond a legal questions....... Perhaps it's to attack a societal norm since no reasonable discussion is allowed by a small small vocal minority...... Take note that I haven't called you names or disparaged your argument in this discussion and am only out of phase of your argument by 1 degree..... But you and others on this topic have responded with hatred and bigotry against any discussion even by 1 degree...... I submit your faction is unreasonable about the subject like Hamas is with Israel..... The only one that has a problem with homosexuals are the militant homosexuals who have issues dealing with everyday life. The homosexuals I know don't act like the people on this thread. They concentrate on their careers, pay their bills and don't feel a need to share what goes on in their sex life just like everyone else in the office....... They don't have any guilt feelings they need to act up on and get along with everyone as team members or relatives, great sense of humor, watch movies, go out for business dinners and other company functions and are treated no different than anyone else. That reminds me, NFL football is coming up so yes, party in the man cave... Even my black cousin, who is a banker, never worries about being black. He is just the best at what he does....... No my friend, I think the hate comes from you........ How about just being a human being and get on with it.......
You are missing a huge chunk of info
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For the price of a $35 marriage license the Federal Government pays out $467.562.00 in rights; benefits; and privileges over the life of each and every marriage throughout all of the United States of America and its territories
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This gives the Federal Government dibs on 'defining' marriage because there is not one single state in the entire union that can afford to finance even so much as one single measly marriage benefits package. So the states don't have a horse in the race
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Checking the 'married' box on the IRS tax form triggers the federal benefits package
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/03/your-money/... ;
Latter Day Taints

Philadelphia, PA

#66 Aug 7, 2014
Batch 37 Pain Is Good wrote:
You can see the
Talibangelicals can neither see nor deal with the many indisputable facts in my post.

Because it's all about their anti rational, sexual sickness and lying. All the unrepentant, lying bigots can do now is whine - incredibly - that the targets of their bigotry are becoming less kindly disposed towards the stupid bigots. As is educated society generally.

Again, most Christians in the US support lgbt rights, even the most contentious marriage equality. What we have is a backwater, evilgelical subset in its death throes.

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