Liberty University Law School Dean: Gay Marriage is 'Beginning...

Aug 5, 2014 Full story: Cybercast News Service 311

Mathew D. Staver, dean of the Liberty University School of Law, said that efforts to change the definition of marriage to include same-sex "marriage" would be like trying to re-define the law of gravity, adding that, if it were tried, it would mark "the beginning of the end of Western civilization."

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Batch 37 Pain Is Good

Keego Harbor, MI

#27 Aug 5, 2014
Pat Robertson s Fatwass wrote:
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Contrary to the hilarious "Dean" of the "University," marriage has already been redefined in the West to include same sex marriage. He's speaking as though it's something that hasn't happened. It has happened throughout the Western democracies except in the backwards, red, buybull states of the US.
Christardates should also recognize that through most of Western civilization, including in the buybull, "marriage" meant one man and many women, or one man and a child bride, or one man and a woman who legally was property, chattel.
Also, the right wing bigots made marriage in this context a federal issue when they passed DOMA.
Prior to that there had been federal intervention in state administration of marriage on many occasions, including when some reprobate, Southern states insisted on barring interracial marriage. That was an appropriate role for the federal govenrment/judiciary.
You don't know anything. You are too ignorant and deluded and theocratic to get one single fact correct. Disgusting.
Interesting, I have been writing about a solution that works for this Conservative and you have to express your bigotry to the point that you resorted to a typical Progressive response in the end...... Conservatives are not bigots. They happen to possess standards they believe are correct to their way of life..... You need to think about how you will accomplish a rational approach to your position...... Just because society is different than you does not make them your problem. Stop with the bigotry and find a creative way to work through your issue. Interracial marriage is not the issue today......
Batch 37 Pain Is Good

Keego Harbor, MI

#28 Aug 5, 2014
passing by wrote:
<quoted text>Marriage licenses are a legal contract, the registration of firearms isn't. Various permits and licenses governing activities by a state's residents aren't constitutionally required be recognized under the laws of any other states, they only do so, when they do, out of the principle of comity. Legal contracts and court proceedings are constitutionally required to be recognized in all states, even if the laws of the other states does not agree. Divorce decrees in any state are constitutionally required to be recognized and enforced in every other state, this has been a matter of settled law for more than a century. When it comes to the recognition of marriages from state to state, despite it being a legal contract, the enforcement of it was left to comity. There haven't been any federal cases on the question. When the issue comes up in state courts, most states rely on what is known as the Mays Standard, which is, if a marriage was legal at its time and place of celebration, it remains legal, regardless of the laws against it if they choose to move. the Mays case is the stuff of soap operas. A younger uncle marries a considerably older niece under a bizarre exemption to incestuous marriage prohibitions once written in Rhode Island law, it allowed those of the Jewish faith to marry those not specifically prohibited to them under Mosaic law. Uncle niece marriages, not on the list, Aunts can't marry nephews, but....They got themselves a then legal Rhode Island marriage. The exemption was voted out shortly after what happened next. The fun started when shortly after moving back to New York, where such marriages were specifically prohibited, the old lady passed and her uncle asserted his rights as her husband. Her kids from a previous marriage, quite understandably. sued. According to New York law, there never was a marriage. They lost, the odd little Rhode Island law held precedence, the marriage was legal where and when it was entered into, that can't be voided simply because another state does not approve.
It's good that you got to know about all this, it's about to become the federal standard as well, all states are going to be constitutionally required to recognize the legal validity of any and all marriages performed in other states, if they were legal when entered into. Even those between same sex couples.
We will just have to wait and see how the courts develop the precedent for that legal action....... My main point is words mean things and I am not opposed to what you want except the change in definition...... Legal remedies exist and should be looked at fairly.... I realize there are radicals who want to put a stick in the eye of Conservatives just because of their stance. I think it time to accept what your 'team' always wanted legally and argued for but without stepping on the windpipe of others who are entitled to their beliefs....... It's been fun. Stay classy....
Pat Robertson s Fatwass

Philadelphia, PA

#29 Aug 5, 2014
Batch 37 Pain Is Good wrote:
<quoted text>Interesting, I have been writing about a solution that works for this Conservative and you have to express your bigotry.
You are repeating the same lies about marriage being "one man and one woman," despite having been corrected, you are repeating the same lies about marriage being a state matter, despite having been corrected, so we know you're a stinking bigot.

This matter is in the federal courts and we know where it's heading, just like we knew at a certain point where bans against interracial marriage were headed.

Besides, only a moron thinks in the long run that having some marriages recognized in some states but not others is going to work administratively.

You're a bigot. I'll be a bigot the day I say lying homophobes and "conservatives" can't marry, adopt, serve openly, be protected from arbitrary firing.

Trash.
Pat Robertson s Fatwass

Philadelphia, PA

#30 Aug 5, 2014
Batch 37 Pain Is Good wrote:
<quoted text>I am not opposed to what you want except the change in definition...... Legal remedies exist....
You are a liar. The re definition happened when we got rid of polygamy, etc. You apparently didn't object to that re definition.

There are no "legal remedies" which result in the federal rights and responsibilities and which remain in effect when traveling overseas...except for a marriage license.

To say you supposedly support equal rights but not the word "marriage" is nonsensical, bigot.

“THERE IS NO GOD”

Since: Feb 09

Northern California

#31 Aug 5, 2014
Fa-Foxy wrote:
Why are so many people, unable, or unwilling to SEPARATE religious marriages from civil marriages ? The two are NOT THE SAME !!!
What is wrong with these NUTS ??? They obviously have no concept nor understanding of logic. What's wrong with these people ?
What is wrong with them is that it is important to them to keep the facts muddled so as to keep people misinformed and better controlled. Much like Nixon did with fusion and fission nuclear power, even today most people do not know the difference. It is also like how politicians speak about democracy as if America was not a Republic.
Batch 37 Pain Is Good

Keego Harbor, MI

#32 Aug 5, 2014
Pat Robertson s Fatwass wrote:
<quoted text>
You are repeating the same lies about marriage being "one man and one woman," despite having been corrected, you are repeating the same lies about marriage being a state matter, despite having been corrected, so we know you're a stinking bigot.
This matter is in the federal courts and we know where it's heading, just like we knew at a certain point where bans against interracial marriage were headed.
Besides, only a moron thinks in the long run that having some marriages recognized in some states but not others is going to work administratively.
You're a bigot. I'll be a bigot the day I say lying homophobes and "conservatives" can't marry, adopt, serve openly, be protected from arbitrary firing.
Trash.
I sense a bit of hate and bigotry from you. I think your issues involve more than your claim of being denied a life..... Get help...... God bless my son.......
Batch 37 Pain Is Good

Keego Harbor, MI

#33 Aug 5, 2014
Pat Robertson s Fatwass wrote:
<quoted text>
You are a liar. The re definition happened when we got rid of polygamy, etc. You apparently didn't object to that re definition.
There are no "legal remedies" which result in the federal rights and responsibilities and which remain in effect when traveling overseas...except for a marriage license.
To say you supposedly support equal rights but not the word "marriage" is nonsensical, bigot.
There is that hostility again..... Best to work on that before it eats you....... Go with God son.......
Batch 37 Pain Is Good

Keego Harbor, MI

#34 Aug 5, 2014
Reverend Alan wrote:
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What is wrong with them is that it is important to them to keep the facts muddled so as to keep people misinformed and better controlled. Much like Nixon did with fusion and fission nuclear power, even today most people do not know the difference. It is also like how politicians speak about democracy as if America was not a Republic.
We knew the difference but they taught that in school back in the day. Progressives and Unions have changed what is being taught today....... Fortunately, my family was involve in science in the Days of Nixon. Apollo programs too.......
Pat Robertson s Fatwass

Philadelphia, PA

#35 Aug 5, 2014
Batch 37 Pain Is Good wrote:
<quoted text>I sense a bit of hate and bigotry
Hey troll, you forgot to address your lying. Jaysus will be very, very angry at you.

I'll be the bigot when I pass laws saying talibangelicals can't marry, adopt, serve openly, be protected from arbitrary firing, etc.

All I do is mock stupid, sexually sick cafeteria christianists.

Since: Mar 07

Louisa, VA

#36 Aug 5, 2014
I don't think that the word "liberty" means what this Dean thinks it does ...
Batch 37 Pain Is Good

Keego Harbor, MI

#37 Aug 5, 2014
Pat Robertson s Fatwass wrote:
<quoted text>
Hey troll, you forgot to address your lying. Jaysus will be very, very angry at you.
I'll be the bigot when I pass laws saying talibangelicals can't marry, adopt, serve openly, be protected from arbitrary firing, etc.
All I do is mock stupid, sexually sick cafeteria christianists.
You must have a whole list of bigoted problems. What lying? I only spoke to my belief's but you decided to continue hate for those who are not like you....... You must be a Saul Alinsky follower and an SEIU union member by your behavior........ Or get help.......
Pat Robertson s Fatwass

Philadelphia, PA

#38 Aug 5, 2014
Batch 37 Pain Is Good wrote:
<quoted text>What lying? I only spoke to my belief's but you decided to continue hate for those who are not like you....... You must be a Saul Alinsky
Hey sick liar, I never tried to take your right to marry, adopt, serve openly, be protected from arbitrary firing away. We know who the bigots are - the ones trying to take others' equal rights away.

That you have "an opinion" or your "beliefs" has nothing to do with your being a bigot, you moron. The kkk has their "beliefs," too. Right wingers are so creepy in using that completely illogical line - that it's not bigotry if it's "an opinion."

I don't know who Alinsky is except that Fox mouthbreathers often mention him, but I know you "forgot" to acknowledge simple reality in contradiction of your claims - marriage has already been re defined in that we no longer have polygamy, child brides, brides as chattel.
Belle Sexton

Santa Cruz, CA

#39 Aug 6, 2014
If that is the level of reasoning that he upholds and fosters as the standard as Dean of his Law School, I doubt that we have much to fear from that quarter anytime soon.
Batch 37 Pain Is Good

Keego Harbor, MI

#40 Aug 6, 2014
Pat Robertson s Fatwass wrote:
<quoted text>
Hey sick liar, I never tried to take your right to marry, adopt, serve openly, be protected from arbitrary firing away. We know who the bigots are - the ones trying to take others' equal rights away.
That you have "an opinion" or your "beliefs" has nothing to do with your being a bigot, you moron. The kkk has their "beliefs," too. Right wingers are so creepy in using that completely illogical line - that it's not bigotry if it's "an opinion."
I don't know who Alinsky is except that Fox mouthbreathers often mention him, but I know you "forgot" to acknowledge simple reality in contradiction of your claims - marriage has already been re defined in that we no longer have polygamy, child brides, brides as chattel.
What a bigoted hater....... Get help.
Batch 37 Pain Is Good

Keego Harbor, MI

#41 Aug 6, 2014
Finally, the issue is being heard in the 6th Court of Appeals in Cincy. This could go to SCOTUS. Let's listen in......

Funny, I really don't recognize the names of respondents to this story. It seems they search the Country about this topic from different towns and address only this issue...... Activists maybe?
Batch 37 Pain Is Good

Keego Harbor, MI

#42 Aug 6, 2014
Pat Robertson s Fatwass wrote:
<quoted text>
Hey sick liar, I never tried to take your right to marry, adopt, serve openly, be protected from arbitrary firing away. We know who the bigots are - the ones trying to take others' equal rights away.
That you have "an opinion" or your "beliefs" has nothing to do with your being a bigot, you moron. The kkk has their "beliefs," too. Right wingers are so creepy in using that completely illogical line - that it's not bigotry if it's "an opinion."
I don't know who Alinsky is except that Fox mouthbreathers often mention him, but I know you "forgot" to acknowledge simple reality in contradiction of your claims - marriage has already been re defined in that we no longer have polygamy, child brides, brides as chattel.
Try picking up the book at the library..... It is called "Rules for Radicals" by Saul Alinsky. Read the Dedication first....... How did FNC come into play here? What in their reporting do they get wrong...... If they are telling lies then why are they mopping the floor with the competition as number one? You ought to read more to know your opposition. While at the library, pick up "Art of War" too. It may help with your anger management issues....
passing by

Salina, KS

#43 Aug 6, 2014
Batch 37 Pain Is Good wrote:
<quoted text>We will just have to wait and see how the courts develop the precedent for that legal action....... My main point is words mean things and I am not opposed to what you want except the change in definition...... Legal remedies exist and should be looked at fairly.... I realize there are radicals who want to put a stick in the eye of Conservatives just because of their stance. I think it time to accept what your 'team' always wanted legally and argued for but without stepping on the windpipe of others who are entitled to their beliefs....... It's been fun. Stay classy....
Your "legal alternative" is nothing but an insult to the intelligence of the American people designed to placate the bigotry of delusional zealots. Whether you like it or not, same sex marriages will be joining opposite sex marriages, including the ones blessed by your faith, as LEGAL marriages in all 50 states. Any "issues" you have with same sex marriages being called marriages are your problem, not theirs.
Batch 37 Pain Is Good

Keego Harbor, MI

#44 Aug 6, 2014
passing by wrote:
<quoted text>Your "legal alternative" is nothing but an insult to the intelligence of the American people designed to placate the bigotry of delusional zealots. Whether you like it or not, same sex marriages will be joining opposite sex marriages, including the ones blessed by your faith, as LEGAL marriages in all 50 states. Any "issues" you have with same sex marriages being called marriages are your problem, not theirs.
OK, now you sound militant...... Why is it so important for you to take on a word that has a religious connotation which you seem to driven crazy about..... Why do you want to get so near those you despise in society? I am sure it goes beyond a legal questions....... Perhaps it's to attack a societal norm since no reasonable discussion is allowed by a small small vocal minority...... Take note that I haven't called you names or disparaged your argument in this discussion and am only out of phase of your argument by 1 degree..... But you and others on this topic have responded with hatred and bigotry against any discussion even by 1 degree...... I submit your faction is unreasonable about the subject like Hamas is with Israel..... The only one that has a problem with homosexuals are the militant homosexuals who have issues dealing with everyday life. The homosexuals I know don't act like the people on this thread. They concentrate on their careers, pay their bills and don't feel a need to share what goes on in their sex life just like everyone else in the office....... They don't have any guilt feelings they need to act up on and get along with everyone as team members or relatives, great sense of humor, watch movies, go out for business dinners and other company functions and are treated no different than anyone else. That reminds me, NFL football is coming up so yes, party in the man cave... Even my black cousin, who is a banker, never worries about being black. He is just the best at what he does....... No my friend, I think the hate comes from you........ How about just being a human being and get on with it.......
passing by

Salina, KS

#45 Aug 6, 2014
Batch 37 Pain Is Good wrote:
OK, now you sound militant......
It was the best way to make the point, that your wanting to legally nullify the existence of every marriage that has ever entered into, in order to slap a yet unidentified generic label on the relationship, for no other reason than a few folk unable to differentiate the concepts of religious and civil marriages, is going absolutely nowhere, because it insults the intelligence of everyone but you. Sorry, but y'all are just going to have to work on your coping skills on this one, the religious don't have a proprietary right to the word marriage, it was around before they were.
Rainbow Justice

Alpharetta, GA

#46 Aug 6, 2014
Belle Sexton wrote:
If that is the level of reasoning that he upholds and fosters as the standard as Dean of his Law School, I doubt that we have much to fear from that quarter anytime soon.
I don't see how Jerry Falwell's Liberty University students can graduate and make a living as lawyers; let alone to ever win a case
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Religious superstition is a total disconnect from the absolutes of law

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