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Oneal

Grand Rapids, MI

#21 Mar 16, 2013
St Stephen wrote:
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That's where you are wrong! Republicans were so worried if they worked with the dems on health care that they would be labeled as being 'pro-health care reform' by their constituents at home or by their opponents in the next election cycle. It's a classic example of doing nothing and then complaining about the outcome, all to protect their political future. So don't turn this around on Obama and say he didn't work with republicans because anyone who followed health care reform knows that's just not true.
That's today's politics though isn't it? There's no such thing as compromise anymore. There's no working together, there's just a bunch of big babies yelling and screaming at each other until one of them takes their ball and goes home. It's disfunctional and embarrassing and it's about time the voters (the People) demanded more from their elected officials.
So you skip past the entire point of the comment and just get panty-wadded over a criticism of Obama. Grief! Obama is a big boy. I think he can handle a little criticism without every liberal Tom, Dick and Stephen running to his rescue.

Had Obama offered something remotely appealing to republicans (instead of having Robert Creamer write from his prison cell one of the worst pieces of legislation since GW's No Child Left Behind and then huddle behind closed doors to conjur a way to get it passed) you might have seen real bi-partisanship. However, anyone that followed health care reform knows Obama had no intention of compromise or bi-partisanship.

As for traveling policies, they would most certainly have resulted in more competition, which would naturally lead to lower cost and higher quality care. Republicans pointed this out countless times and they were right. Instead, we get one choice - the government way. Obama's way. Now there's a real confidence-builder considering the government's wonderful record of creating self-sustaining programs, to say nothing of Obama's stellar reputation for telling the truth.
Dr X

Byron Center, MI

#22 Mar 16, 2013
Bob wrote:
You village idiots might want to read the linked article....
Germany has a private provider system quite similar to the one evolving with ObamaCareóeveryone has to play and most folks are covered by mandatory government-subsidized, employer-based insurance; however, unlike ObamaCare, that system aggressively regulates prices through private-sector consensus building.
Again, like, a utility--thatís the point.
Germany caps health care spending, and sets provider prices through a complex system of private sector negotiations that divides up the pie.
Americans spend nearly $10,000 per person on health care, while the Germans spend half as much. By most measures, German health care is as good or superior to what Americans receive.
Just like the government doesnít always know best, markets and competition donít always contain costs effectively and provide the best outcomes. Germans--who arenít liberals-- get it, but conservative Republicans donít.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/03/14/con...
Comparing the German healthcare system to our system is not a fair assessment nor is it a meaningful comparison. 1. Germany does not have nearly the population of the United States nor does it have the flood of immigrants that we have who require care. 2. The Germans (as well as Europeans in general) do a lot more walking i.e. exercise because driving is less essential to their daily logistics. This, in turn, creates healthier people which, in turn, create less of a strain on healthcare per individual. 3. There are fewer medical specialists in Germany. It's great to be under that system if all you do is break your finger; but if you get brain cancer? Welcome to the list or outsourcing your specialist! Each country needs a system tailor-made for them. Healthcare was broken in this country and I agree that something needed to be fixed. Obamacare AHCA, though, is a completely unworkable system that will lead to an even worse system then that had existed previously. Like I said, it was designed that way on purpose. Time will prove me correct and you will NOT be able to refute it.
Bob

Big Rapids, MI

#23 Mar 17, 2013
Dr X wrote:
<quoted text>Comparing the German healthcare system to our system is not a fair assessment nor is it a meaningful comparison. 1. Germany does not have nearly the population of the United States nor does it have the flood of immigrants that we have who require care. 2. The Germans (as well as Europeans in general) do a lot more walking i.e. exercise because driving is less essential to their daily logistics. This, in turn, creates healthier people which, in turn, create less of a strain on healthcare per individual. 3. There are fewer medical specialists in Germany. It's great to be under that system if all you do is break your finger; but if you get brain cancer? Welcome to the list or outsourcing your specialist! Each country needs a system tailor-made for them. Healthcare was broken in this country and I agree that something needed to be fixed. Obamacare AHCA, though, is a completely unworkable system that will lead to an even worse system then that had existed previously. Like I said, it was designed that way on purpose. Time will prove me correct and you will NOT be able to refute it.
What time will prove is that the republicans refused to rise above its goal of making Obama a one term president. Before, during, and after Obamacare, the fanatics of the right have refused to address the problem, and refused to offer any help in making sure that the problem was taken care of. Unless of course you think that hundreds of bills calling for its repeal without anything to replace is your idea of leadership!
Oneal

Grand Rapids, MI

#24 Mar 17, 2013
Bob wrote:
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What time will prove is that the republicans refused to rise above its goal of making Obama a one term president. Before, during, and after Obamacare, the fanatics of the right have refused to address the problem, and refused to offer any help in making sure that the problem was taken care of. Unless of course you think that hundreds of bills calling for its repeal without anything to replace is your idea of leadership!
That response didn't address the previous poster's valid points about the differences between Germany's health care system and Obamacare in America. You just punted by making crap up again and regurgitating old stale rhetoric.

Republicans offered alternatives to Obamacare and Harry Reid pronounced the DOA before they were even considered. And seriously, do you not think that a party's goal is the make the opposing party's presidency a one-termer? Come on.
Dr X

Byron Center, MI

#25 Mar 17, 2013
Bob wrote:
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What time will prove is that the republicans refused to rise above its goal of making Obama a one term president. Before, during, and after Obamacare, the fanatics of the right have refused to address the problem, and refused to offer any help in making sure that the problem was taken care of. Unless of course you think that hundreds of bills calling for its repeal without anything to replace is your idea of leadership!
It's all about left vs right with you isn't it? Admit it now that the AHCA is a disaster and that we deserve credit for saying it back in 2010. Take a pride pill and swallow the reality that your party made a big boo boo.
Bob

Big Rapids, MI

#26 Mar 18, 2013
Oneal wrote:
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That response didn't address the previous poster's valid points about the differences between Germany's health care system and Obamacare in America. You just punted by making crap up again and regurgitating old stale rhetoric.
Republicans offered alternatives to Obamacare and Harry Reid pronounced the DOA before they were even considered. And seriously, do you not think that a party's goal is the make the opposing party's presidency a one-termer? Come on.
My response didn't address the previous poster's opinions on unfounded differences between the two countries. No links - No proof.....

Just like your offerings that the GOP came up with any workable alternatives to ACA. Unless you count repeal or the abolishment of litigation as a real alternative.
Bob

Big Rapids, MI

#27 Mar 18, 2013
Dr X wrote:
<quoted text>It's all about left vs right with you isn't it? Admit it now that the AHCA is a disaster and that we deserve credit for saying it back in 2010. Take a pride pill and swallow the reality that your party made a big boo boo.
Sorry, I'm looking forward to seeing the disaster that Massachusett's health care is, spreading across the entire country.

This in no way means that I expect you to face reality though, so please continue with your continued display of fear mongering!
Oneal

Three Rivers, MI

#28 Mar 18, 2013
Bob wrote:
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My response didn't address the previous poster's opinions on unfounded differences between the two countries. No links - No proof.....
Just like your offerings that the GOP came up with any workable alternatives to ACA. Unless you count repeal or the abolishment of litigation as a real alternative.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/200...

Here's a link right on the top of my search whenI typed in GOP alternative ideas for health care.

Now, provide something that proves the GOP hasn't provided any ideas.
Dr X

Byron Center, MI

#29 Mar 18, 2013
Bob wrote:
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Sorry, I'm looking forward to seeing the disaster that Massachusett's health care is, spreading across the entire country.
This in no way means that I expect you to face reality though, so please continue with your continued display of fear mongering!
I'd get a better conversation from a beach rock than I ever would from you Bob. You're just ignorant of too many facts.
Bob

Big Rapids, MI

#30 Mar 19, 2013
Oneal wrote:
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http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/200...
Here's a link right on the top of my search whenI typed in GOP alternative ideas for health care.
Now, provide something that proves the GOP hasn't provided any ideas.
I think you've proven my point for me.

You type in a search for any ideas the GOP have had for health care reform and your best link was written on August 13, 2009. I guess nothoing happended in 2010, 2011, 2012, or the first part of this year....

That's Leadership!
Bob

Big Rapids, MI

#31 Mar 19, 2013
Dr X wrote:
<quoted text>I'd get a better conversation from a beach rock than I ever would from you Bob. You're just ignorant of too many facts.
Agreed! You should search out someone on your level to converse with.....

Beach rocks are very close to Sandy in the Crack, Sea Slugs, and other assorted lower life forms you should feel empowered by.
Oneal

Three Rivers, MI

#32 Mar 19, 2013
Bob wrote:
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I think you've proven my point for me.
You type in a search for any ideas the GOP have had for health care reform and your best link was written on August 13, 2009. I guess nothoing happended in 2010, 2011, 2012, or the first part of this year....
That's Leadership!
The only point that has been proven is that you were wrong ... again.

One, it was the very FIRST link that popped up. I never said it was the best, just didn't want to waste a bunch of time doing your homework for you. Type it in yourself, there's only dozens of similar reports stating the GOP did indeed provide alternative ideas, and those ideas were summarily ignored by the democrats. Maybe if you ever actually researched a subject yourself ...

Secondly, it stands to reason the GOP would have offered ideas close to the time that Obamacare was being introduced. What the hell difference does it make now that this monstrosity has made into law? If it's ever repealed the GOP's initial ideas would still be relevant, and just because you don't venture out of your small liberal shell doesn't mean the republicans haven't been repeating those ideas continually throughout the past 4 years.

One of my biggest criticisms of the GOP is that they do indeed have alternative ideas to what Obama is proposing but they fail to adequately get that message out to sources other than those that are only seen by conservatives. If the republicans truly want to get a broader audience they need to catch up with the times and start implementing some of the same multi-media, social networking tactics the left has seen great success with.
Dr X

Byron Center, MI

#33 Mar 19, 2013
Bob wrote:
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Agreed! You should search out someone on your level to converse with.....
Beach rocks are very close to Sandy in the Crack, Sea Slugs, and other assorted lower life forms you should feel empowered by.
You're a low-birth, ignorant troll.

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