Since: Feb 08

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#21 Jan 23, 2011
Defender of Liberty wrote:
What happened republicans? GR was once a good city but that was before the gop moved in now its dying. gop fascism kills everything it touches.
http://www.mlive.com/business/west-michigan/i...
Good Day.

Simply absurd... might as well blame Mayor Heartwell, oops, he is a Democrat! And has held office since 2004.

It was not that long ago we were considered a good place to be. But we still are...

The problem is much, much larger than Grand Rapids itself, Kent Couty, or Western Michigan. It is endemic to the State and even the Nation. This is not so much a city issue in the case of G.R. but a State issue. Detroit and Flint have their own problems both connected to and separate from the State. It is not the fault of our city, per se, if the auto industry collapses and people move out of State to find work. It is not the fault of the city that country is in a recession.

Nor is it the fault of the city if people take on home loans they can't afford due to faulty legislation such as the CRA and so many homes in the city are in foreclosure. Many then having to move out to apptarments elsewhere in the area. Don't get me wrong, I am not defending city government, but the "city" in its entirety.

For example, the city does have fault in becoming too dependant on the State for services, funds and revenue sharing. They need to be more independant from the State rather than dependant.

Part of the fault of this study and its results is how the data, or should I say what data, was used to come to this conclusion. Unlike other studies that compare crime rates, economic health (like retail), entertainment and so on, this was strictly determined through Census numbers. And as such paints a very, no, extremely blurred and or skewed picture. Yes the city has its fair of problems as just about every other city in the US. To be "painted" as "dying" is perhaps true by some numbers but is very far away from the real truth. We have wolrdlcass medical facilities, manufacturers/tool and die shops that were smart enough to diversify their client base and stay open, several sports teams and lots of entertainment, downtown activities, the urban areas have some issues, but the rest of the neighborhoods are pretty nice, outdoor activities with Lake Michigan only minutes away, wonderful convention facilities, and so on. While the population numbers may be down, we are far from being a dying city.

Steelie

“Where I came from”

Since: Jan 09

the universe

#22 Jan 23, 2011
For a dying city there sure does seem to be a lot of life going on around here. Compared to other cities around the country I think GR is doing quite well. Again the writer of this article is just going by statistics not observation.

Since: Mar 09

Grandville, MI

#23 Jan 23, 2011
The article is going stricly by results of the census taken last year.
And we all know how accurate that is!.. LOL!!

All one has to do is look at the 7:00 AM traffic heading into town from both the north, and the south end.
If Grand Rapids is dying, why all the traffic?

While it could true that the population of the "City of Grand Rapids" has fallen by 2%, they dont comment about the surrounding communities.

I see that the author of the article corrected their mistake of saying that GVSU was in Allegan, and it has been changed now to Allendale. That alone should tell you that the author has no clue about this area.

“Don't touch my junk man!”

Since: Nov 07

Middle of the Mitten, Michigan

#24 Jan 24, 2011
I agree with you Steelie. It may be "dying" when you look at the numbers used to compile the list. When it comes to what's around the corner though, I see good things for Grand Rapids.

We need to continue to foster the independent, entrepreneurial spirit that will allow this city to grow. Based on the State of the State last week I would say our current leadership in Lansing is looking to do just that. I sure as hell hope he and our representatives don't let us down.

Since: Dec 10

Location hidden

#25 Jan 24, 2011
Montana Man wrote:
<quoted text>
I'll give you two guesses where that is.
Don't honestly care where you are. Just hope you are happy wherever it is, since you obviously were bitter and unhappy in Michigan.
rotflmao

Fremont, CA

#26 Jan 24, 2011
The Real Sandy wrote:
<quoted text>Don't honestly care where you are. Just hope you are happy wherever it is, since you obviously were bitter and unhappy in Michigan.
Michigan doesn't miss him either!
Thewayiseeit

United States

#27 Jan 24, 2011
Didn't this whole deal get going in Newsweek Magazine?? Just another bunch of whacked out libs demonizing another great city that is on the comeback trail after years of a Dumocrap governor. They left Detroit alone because of the UAW. My business failed last November.(Thanks Jenny, you blew me away!) BUT I will rebuild and go again. I just pray that at the age of 57, it doesn't take as long as it did the first time. And I WON'T need any socialistic handout from the government! Grand Rapids WILL NOT DIE!!! Up yours Newsweek!

Since: Dec 10

Location hidden

#28 Jan 24, 2011
Thewayiseeit wrote:
Didn't this whole deal get going in Newsweek Magazine?? Just another bunch of whacked out libs demonizing another great city that is on the comeback trail after years of a Dumocrap governor. They left Detroit alone because of the UAW. My business failed last November.(Thanks Jenny, you blew me away!) BUT I will rebuild and go again. I just pray that at the age of 57, it doesn't take as long as it did the first time. And I WON'T need any socialistic handout from the government! Grand Rapids WILL NOT DIE!!! Up yours Newsweek!
Actually, I agree with you. If you look at the numbers they used, they have an entire egg farm all over their face. They think we should be grateful to "blown away" Jenny. Did you read the most current story on her?? Cal-Berkley thinks she and her husband are "intelligent and insightful" and will make wonderful instructors for the Spring and Fall. And we wonder what is wrong with CA???? Good luck with your rebuilding...it can be done, it will just take a lot of hard work, but you already know that!

“Lost my mind”

Since: Apr 07

be back later

#29 Jan 24, 2011
"We used the most recent data from the Census Bureau on every metropolitan area with a population exceeding 100,000 to find the 30 cities that suffered the steepest population decline between 2000 and 2009. Then, in an attempt to look ahead toward the future of these regions, we analyzed demographic changes to find which ones experienced the biggest drop in the number of residents under 18. In this way, we can see which cities may have an even greater population decline ahead due to a shrinking population of young people."

http://www.newsweek.com/2011/01/21/america-s-...

So.. they looked at the number of children and the metropolitan areas. Personally I wouldn't live in the city limits and have to deal with GRPS for my children.

Glad to see this was such a great 'survey'!

Since: Mar 09

Grandville, MI

#30 Jan 24, 2011
neecer wrote:
"We used the most recent data from the Census Bureau on every metropolitan area with a population exceeding 100,000 to find the 30 cities that suffered the steepest population decline between 2000 and 2009. Then, in an attempt to look ahead toward the future of these regions, we analyzed demographic changes to find which ones experienced the biggest drop in the number of residents under 18. In this way, we can see which cities may have an even greater population decline ahead due to a shrinking population of young people."
http://www.newsweek.com/2011/01/21/america-s-...
So.. they looked at the number of children and the metropolitan areas. Personally I wouldn't live in the city limits and have to deal with GRPS for my children.
Glad to see this was such a great 'survey'!
Also,... how much trust can you put into the census bureau results?
The "census" takers were paid $16.00 per hour plus commission.
And many of them just filled out false forms to increase their pay.
Besides, lets just say the numbers are true, maybe people just moved out of the city limits, but yet still go to the city for work?
The city of Grand Rapids has been on the national news several times lately.
There was Art Prize, which made nationl television news, and also the princess Di exibit going on, NBC had coverage of both of those events.
Too bad that some people will believe what some reporter sitting in a cubicle in New York think as a fact, without ever even being here, or seeing what is going on here.
Census numbers???.......pffffttttt!
Maybe the so called author should visit G.R. so they have a clue as to what they are talking about.
Sassy

Wixom, MI

#31 Jan 24, 2011
The facts to back up your statement?
Gville Jim wrote:
<quoted text>And many of them just filled out false forms to increase their pay.

Since: Mar 09

Grandville, MI

#32 Jan 24, 2011
RFist383

Vicksburg, MI

#33 Jan 24, 2011
The cockroaches are expanding their horizons.

It WAS Detroit, now they bring the slums to GR.

No free handouts, all black people, all slums all bad so they leave Detroit and come here.
Hell even the BLACK and WHITE, the few whites, students are spanking the adults in Muskegon,!!! all blacks running the place.

Maybe Obama IS having a good effect.bout time.

Oh you can call me racist bigot all day long, I could care less, truth to power.
bobolinq

Haslett, MI

#34 Feb 2, 2011
this city has been a legend in its own mind for generations; it's high time it looks around and realizes what it is not, e.g., boston, cambridge, new york or even chicago.
what it once was thought to be or perhaps never was, will never be again.
better figure out what it wants to be when it grows up and stop playing with the arts and crafts and learn a trade.

Since: Jun 09

GR

#35 Feb 5, 2011
bobolinq wrote:
this city has been a legend in its own mind for generations; it's high time it looks around and realizes what it is not, e.g., boston, cambridge, new york or even chicago.
what it once was thought to be or perhaps never was, will never be again.
better figure out what it wants to be when it grows up and stop playing with the arts and crafts and learn a trade.
Instead of whining about others' opinions of GR I suggest you learn the bus schedule and take the first available to Cambridge.

“Lost my mind”

Since: Apr 07

be back later

#36 Feb 5, 2011
bobolinq wrote:
this city has been a legend in its own mind for generations; it's high time it looks around and realizes what it is not, e.g., boston, cambridge, new york or even chicago.
what it once was thought to be or perhaps never was, will never be again.
better figure out what it wants to be when it grows up and stop playing with the arts and crafts and learn a trade.
Did you ever think that maybe people don't want GR to be a Boston, Cambridge, NYC, or even a Chicago?

Personally I like the small town feel from GR, and still have most of the things a big city.

Since: Jun 09

GR

#37 Feb 5, 2011
neecer wrote:
<quoted text>
Did you ever think that maybe people don't want GR to be a Boston, Cambridge, NYC, or even a Chicago?
Personally I like the small town feel from GR, and still have most of the things a big city.
Me too, Neecer!
Far as I'm concerned Chicago can have it's crime and politics and Boston can have it's traffic. Those are great cities to visit and do business in, but to live and raise a family I choose GR.

“Lost my mind”

Since: Apr 07

be back later

#38 Feb 5, 2011
_Dingo wrote:
<quoted text>
Me too, Neecer!
Far as I'm concerned Chicago can have it's crime and politics and Boston can have it's traffic. Those are great cities to visit and do business in, but to live and raise a family I choose GR.
Exactly Dingo. Being a gal who likes open spaces, visiting those cities are enough for me. And I don't even have the urge to go to Chicago OR NYC. Was in Chicago this fall, that was more than enough for me!

Boston has great history, but so do towns like Savannah, Gettysburg, Washington DC/Arlington. Fabulous places to visit, but I'll take little podunk GR and the burbs of here.:)
Defender of Liberty

United States

#39 Feb 6, 2011
going going gone - GR will be the next detroit thanks to the union busting gop scumbags. the gop party of low wages creates the ghettos. by the time you gop stups translate the gop phrase "becomming globally competitive" it will be too late. bye bye GR

“Lost my mind”

Since: Apr 07

be back later

#40 Feb 6, 2011
Defender of Liberty wrote:
going going gone - GR will be the next detroit thanks to the union busting gop scumbags. the gop party of low wages creates the ghettos. by the time you gop stups translate the gop phrase "becomming globally competitive" it will be too late. bye bye GR
Yeah! Maybe we need to be like Union Thug run Detroit! We need to have a corrupt Mayor, his staff, city council, the failure rate of DPS! That's the ticket!

That or we should strive to be just like your ISP - Muskegon! Oh wait, I know.. Flint!

Eventually we can be just like them. We can strive to be another Armpit of Michigan!

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