setrlvr

Lake Odessa, MI

#82 May 26, 2013
Baseless claims?? Snort, smirk, guffaw, you're hilarious as usual. Are you feeling like the starbellied sneech....all alone, not counting pipecream, in you adoration and fantasies of what could have been, but....alas, is not to be an inspiring, honest, uniting, responsible (etc) presidency. It really was a great opportunity, but was terribly exploited and ruined.
Oneal

Grand Rapids, MI

#83 May 26, 2013
Go Blue Forever wrote:
So, all bullsh*t as usual....you've got nothing? From now on, save your baseless claims, for those that believe your BS.....
Go Blue, you keep parroting the idea that the economy is improving,(and I'm not saying there aren't areas where it is improving or not) but I have a question for you:

According to the Obama administration, "Over the last fifteen quarters, the economy has expanded by 8.3 percent overall, and the private components of GDP have grown by 12.2 percent …"

Do the math: 15 quarters (45 MONTHS) divided by a grand total of 8.3%=.184% per month or .553% per quarter.

That does not equate to over 2%, in fact it's a far cry from that figure.

Couple that with the government's less-than-realistic claims that unemployment numbers are down, while they continue to drop people who are no longer looking out of that equation. Add those people back in and we see once again, that any improvement at all is hardly anything to think we have somehow turned a corner.

Here's something else:
According to the Commerce Department, Americans’ personal income fell 3.2 percent last quarter, as President Obama’s fiscal cliff tax hikes began ripping Americans off.

So, while there are indications we are not in the horrible free fall we were several years ago, I've provided facts that indicate this isn't the end of our economic woes by a long shot.

Now, you can call me all kinds of names and say I'm just being negative because Obama's black or whatever your standard claptrap insinuates, but I'd prefer you respond with something factual that backs up your frequent trumpeting of the economy.
pipedream

Grand Blanc, MI

#84 May 26, 2013
Oneal wrote:
<quoted text>
Do the math: 15 quarters (45 MONTHS) divided by a grand total of 8.3%=.184% per month or .553% per quarter.
WTF? Where'd you go to school? Dr. Dread U.? You know just enough about the U.S. economy as you do O-care. NOTHING!

Real Quarterly U.S. GDP Growth

2008 Q3 -3.7
2008 Q4 -8.9
2009 Q1 -6.7
2009 Q2 -0.7
2009 Q3 +1.7
2998 Q4 +3.8
2010 Q1 +3.9
2010 Q2 +3.8
2010 Q3 +2.5
2010 Q4 +2.3
2011 Q1 +0.4
2011 Q2 +1.3
2011 Q3 +1.8
2011 Q4 +3.0
2012 Q1 +2.2
2012 Q2 +1.3
2012 Q3 +3.1
2012 Q4 +0.4
2013 Q1 +2.5

All this despite having had had the worst economic and financial crisis since the Great Depression (2008), continuing high oil prices, the debt limit problems of 2011, Japanese earthquake and tsunami of 2011, & several years of the European debt crisis.
Oneal

Grand Rapids, MI

#86 May 27, 2013
pipedream wrote:
<quoted text>
WTF? Where'd you go to school? Dr. Dread U.? You know just enough about the U.S. economy as you do O-care. NOTHING!
Real Quarterly U.S. GDP Growth
2008 Q3 -3.7
2008 Q4 -8.9
2009 Q1 -6.7
2009 Q2 -0.7
2009 Q3 +1.7
2998 Q4 +3.8
2010 Q1 +3.9
2010 Q2 +3.8
2010 Q3 +2.5
2010 Q4 +2.3
2011 Q1 +0.4
2011 Q2 +1.3
2011 Q3 +1.8
2011 Q4 +3.0
2012 Q1 +2.2
2012 Q2 +1.3
2012 Q3 +3.1
2012 Q4 +0.4
2013 Q1 +2.5
All this despite having had had the worst economic and financial crisis since the Great Depression (2008), continuing high oil prices, the debt limit problems of 2011, Japanese earthquake and tsunami of 2011, & several years of the European debt crisis.
I've already contended the 2013 figures provided by the government don't add up. So you counter with a larger list of government provided figures? You can't defend crap with more crap.

Don't bother replying with your usual unimaginative insults, pipedream. That might still be entertaining to the others here, but it's about as meaningful to me as you liberals crying racism every time you can't win an argument with facts.
pipedream

Grand Blanc, MI

#87 May 27, 2013
You are some kind of special stupid.

The figures I provided are on on the web. They come from Treasury and Commerce.

So now you're going to dispute those govt GDP figures because you don't like them and make up your own?

Where are your figures?

You're absolutely nuts. People like you should be locked up.

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#88 May 27, 2013
Yeah, pipedream....Don't bother replying with all those facts.....can't be bothered with them.....makes it hard to ignore the recovery....
Oneal

Grand Rapids, MI

#89 May 27, 2013
pipedream wrote:
You are some kind of special stupid.
The figures I provided are on on the web. They come from Treasury and Commerce.
So now you're going to dispute those govt GDP figures because you don't like them and make up your own?
Where are your figures?
You're absolutely nuts. People like you should be locked up.
And of course you believe everything posted on the web is true.

I provided my figures already. They're what you replied to, moron. If you can't keep up go play in the shallow end of the pool with the other kiddies.

Absolutely I'm disputing what the government posts, especially when they're own math doesn't add up to reality. Yo should be too, if you weren't such an insufferably submissive pawn. As taxpaying citizens it is our right as well as responsibility to question the government and demand they provide accurate figures. Unlike you pussified liberals evidently, most people still realize the government should be working for us, not the other way around.

It's submissive Useful Idiots like you, who make ridiculously socialistic comments such as claiming fellow Americans who question the government should "locked up", that continue to empower the government to make statements like your pal Pete Stark did:


"The federal government can do almost anything it likes ..." ???

Well Pipedream, if weak-minded liberal lapmonkeys like you would have it, the federal government could do whatever it likes.
Oneal

Grand Rapids, MI

#90 May 27, 2013
Go Blue Forever wrote:
Yeah, pipedream....Don't bother replying with all those facts.....can't be bothered with them.....makes it hard to ignore the recovery....
Yea, Go Blue, don't bother taking the time to take the facts provided by the government and actually add them up. Just trust them implicitly when they have a D in front of their name - because they've done so much to earn the trust of the American people.

You two really are a politician's dream come true.

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#91 May 27, 2013
Oneal wrote:
<quoted text>
Yea, Go Blue, don't bother taking the time to take the facts provided by the government and actually add them up. Just trust them implicitly when they have a D in front of their name - because they've done so much to earn the trust of the American people.
You two really are a politician's dream come true.
You do understand, this isn't about childish team sports or anything like that, right?...It's about the good of the country, eh?....I could give a sh*t about the D's and R's...and am about the reality of what is REALLY HAPPENING, regarding the economic recovery and our government doing it's best for the people and America.........
pipedream

Grand Blanc, MI

#92 May 27, 2013
what govt. facts don't add up? the GDP numbers are what they are. I can give you "REAL" quarterly GDP going back to 1947. They are what they are. They are presented quarterly on an annualized percent basis. Nobody is fudging the numbers, except of course YOU. You are playing the same silliness with this issue as you did with the O-care discussion even after you were shown that what you were publishing (parroting from right wing crazy bloggers) critical of O-care was complete and utter NONSENSE. Go back to that thread and read what I cited as PROOF you don't know what you're talking about.

You 'Really' need to get your medication adjusted BEFORE you go off the edge. On second thought don't get treated and PLEASE do go over the edge. You won't be missed.
Oneal

Grand Rapids, MI

#93 May 27, 2013
Go Blue Forever wrote:
<quoted text>You do understand, this isn't about childish team sports or anything like that, right?...It's about the good of the country, eh?....I could give a sh*t about the D's and R's...and am about the reality of what is REALLY HAPPENING, regarding the economic recovery and our government doing it's best for the people and America.........
Yep, do you? I'm done with Pipedream, as it's pretty obvious for him this is just a game of "I'm right, you're wrong, no matter what". As for me, as I've said many times in the past, I hope REALITY proves me wrong, but thus far reality has proven I have every right to be skeptical. If you are truly concerned about the "good of the country", you should be careful too when it comes to being to eager to just accept we've turned the economic corner, too.

The reality is that there are signs of a recovery, and thank goodness! It's an incredibly slow recovery, but at least it's not going backwards. However, the government's 2013 growth figures don't add up to reality. Furthermore, to adopt your idea of what is "really happening", figures like jobs still give us reason to be concerned, as we all know the government does not figure people who have given up looking for jobs into their numbers, and if they did, according to most polls and figures, the jobs report would be far less rosy than it is. JOBS, after all, are the most real thing to everyone's personal economical situation.

So, before you go off the Pipedream deep end, and just run around claiming anyone who is questioning figures that aren't adding up should be "locked up", just understand, we're all glad to see some signs of improvement, but common sense and a true concern for the good of the country should still make us all wary not to buy into these rosy economic claims too easily.
Really

Grand Rapids, MI

#94 May 27, 2013
Go Blue Forever wrote:
Yeah, pipedream....Don't bother replying with all those facts.....can't be bothered with them.....makes it hard to ignore the recovery....
And you like his "facts" because they agree with your "reality". If he were posting "facts" that disagreed with your "reality", you would be replying with snotty, name calling venom, just like the pipester. No wonder you two are BFF, you are like two peas in a pod.
Really

Grand Rapids, MI

#95 May 27, 2013
Go Blue Forever wrote:
<quoted text>You do understand, this isn't about childish team sports or anything like that, right?...It's about the good of the country, eh?....I could give a sh*t about the D's and R's...and am about the reality of what is REALLY HAPPENING, regarding the economic recovery and our government doing it's best for the people and America.........
You are becoming as big a liar and coward as the pipester Blue. You only care about your perception of the facts because you think they are telling you the truth and the only ones who ever lie are the Republicans. So, once again, you refuse to stand up and admit to being a political hack for Obama. Shame on you. Oh yeah, please ignore this post.

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#96 May 27, 2013
A Slow recovery would be just what the economy needs....anything overheated, would look too much like 2007....."we're all glad to see some signs of improvement"......lol.... ..
Oneal

Grand Rapids, MI

#97 May 27, 2013
Go Blue Forever wrote:
A Slow recovery would be just what the economy needs....anything overheated, would look too much like 2007....."we're all glad to see some signs of improvement"......lol.... ..
See, I try to be rational with you and openly state that I am thankful to see signs of improvement, albeit slow, and you just can't bring yourself out of the static stereotyping insinuation of "conservatives just want Obama to fail". It makes you as unreasonable as Pipedream,, which is a shame.

I could see where some people with personal investment in politics, and a radical mentality, would wish the worst for America - and specifically Obama - in order to gain something. After all, many have accused radical progressives of wishing for the destruction of our economy in order to proclaim capitalism a failure and reason that we should adopt a more socialist economic philosophy. THAT has more merit as a possible reality than accusing fellow average citizens of wishing ill-will on an economy we depend on and are effected by as much as you, simply because we don't like Obama, or worse, we have racist intentions.

Now, come on, we've argued and insulted each other unreasonably in the past, but you have to recognize that there is merit in what I am saying here. Do you honestly think I wish our economy to fail because of party loyalty or a dislike for one president? Really??

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#98 May 27, 2013
...Too begrudgingly....rarely worthy of reply.....
Batch 37 Pain Is Good

Oxford, MI

#99 Jun 3, 2013
Go Blue Forever wrote:
<quoted text>Sorry, Sandy...i had a lot of outside work today in like, 88 degrees....so, i'm afraid i can't be available, everytime you want to spit out your vile spin and venom....So, the economy isn't doing well?.....Please provide proof of that claim, cause your patriotrism is slipping.....
Blue, you just can't get past the Stock Market.... The Fed printing large volumes of dollars is not equal a good economy when Wall St. is grabbing much of it as possible.......
Batch 37 Pain Is Good

Oxford, MI

#100 Jun 3, 2013
pipedream wrote:
<quoted text>
WTF? Where'd you go to school? Dr. Dread U.? You know just enough about the U.S. economy as you do O-care. NOTHING!
Real Quarterly U.S. GDP Growth
2008 Q3 -3.7
2008 Q4 -8.9
2009 Q1 -6.7
2009 Q2 -0.7
2009 Q3 +1.7
2998 Q4 +3.8
2010 Q1 +3.9
2010 Q2 +3.8
2010 Q3 +2.5
2010 Q4 +2.3
2011 Q1 +0.4
2011 Q2 +1.3
2011 Q3 +1.8
2011 Q4 +3.0
2012 Q1 +2.2
2012 Q2 +1.3
2012 Q3 +3.1
2012 Q4 +0.4
2013 Q1 +2.5
All this despite having had had the worst economic and financial crisis since the Great Depression (2008), continuing high oil prices, the debt limit problems of 2011, Japanese earthquake and tsunami of 2011, & several years of the European debt crisis.
Yeah, you have assets.......

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#101 Jun 3, 2013
Batch 37 Pain Is Good wrote:
<quoted text>Blue, you just can't get past the Stock Market.... The Fed printing large volumes of dollars is not equal a good economy when Wall St. is grabbing much of it as possible.......
Please read a proper buisness section occasionally, Batch....the dollar is strong as hell, right now....this economy is recovering and what does anything have to do with the treasury and the Mint's workload?....I don't come on Topix, for parroted Fox talking points....educate yourself, don't depend on them to do it.....BTW, can you show the source, that reports Treasury's currency printing volumn?....
Really

Grand Rapids, MI

#102 Jun 3, 2013
Apparently reading a business section substitutes for reading other publications these days and having even a rudimentary knowledge of economics would tell one that with Treasury printing money hand over fist and borrowing money hand over fist is leading us to a crash. However, there are a whole lot of people right now who would prefer to play "I'm an ostrich, you can't see me".

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