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Idea Maker

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we need a heating system for the roads, to melt the snow and ice in the winter.

would it be expensive? yes. but we can afford it, if we cut enough pork-barrel programs.
if we save more money from avoiding pork than the money spent on this heating system, that's a NET REDUCTION of tax-dollars being spent.

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Dec 9, 2009
 
Idea Maker wrote:
we need a heating system for the roads, to melt the snow and ice in the winter.
would it be expensive? yes. but we can afford it, if we cut enough pork-barrel programs.
if we save more money from avoiding pork than the money spent on this heating system, that's a NET REDUCTION of tax-dollars being spent.
Sheesh, we can't even keep our roads in decent condition now. Do you have any idea how expensive and how much energy it would take to heat the roads themselves? How much maintenance it would take? Eliminating Pork wouldn't even come close to paying for it.

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<quoted text>Sheesh, we can't even keep our roads in decent condition now. Do you have any idea how expensive and how much energy it would take to heat the roads themselves? How much maintenance it would take? Eliminating Pork wouldn't even come close to paying for it.
Hey make them solor 'green' and all that sun we get here in Michigan will do the work for us.....oh wait...what sun....lmao

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Hey make them solor 'green' and all that sun we get here in Michigan will do the work for us.....oh wait...what sun....lmao
LOL, of course that would work. Or... We can put little windmills on all the road-signs and do it that way.
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Hurley35 wrote:
<quoted text>Sheesh, we can't even keep our roads in decent condition now. Do you have any idea how expensive and how much energy it would take to heat the roads themselves? How much maintenance it would take? Eliminating Pork wouldn't even come close to paying for it.
Yeah, but it would be fun trying to dodge all the homeless people sleeping on them at night.

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Dec 9, 2009
 
Hurley35 wrote:
<quoted text>Sheesh, we can't even keep our roads in decent condition now. Do you have any idea how expensive and how much energy it would take to heat the roads themselves? How much maintenance it would take? Eliminating Pork wouldn't even come close to paying for it.
You took the words right out of my mouth. First thing I thought when I read the headline was... Great idea, but whose going to pay for it? The taxpayers?

In downtown Holland they have heated sidewalks. Wonder how much it costs to run those.

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Idea Maker wrote:
we need a heating system for the roads, to melt the snow and ice in the winter.
would it be expensive? yes. but we can afford it, if we cut enough pork-barrel programs.
if we save more money from avoiding pork than the money spent on this heating system, that's a NET REDUCTION of tax-dollars being spent.
I know that you mean well, but this would require complete demolition of every road so that the heated coil system could be installed and the roads be re-poured. The cost of the infrastructure and energy to run the system would be astronomical. I agree we need to get rid of pork-barrel legislation, but this would FAR from pay for somthing like this.
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Hurley35 wrote:
<quoted text>LOL, of course that would work. Or... We can put little windmills on all the road-signs and do it that way.
On a different subject, this just popped into my head. Why don't we put windmills on our cars? They could generate the power to run as we travel.

Hmmm! Somehow, I think there's a flaw in my thinking.

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EmmaRae wrote:
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You took the words right out of my mouth. First thing I thought when I read the headline was... Great idea, but whose going to pay for it? The taxpayers?
In downtown Holland they have heated sidewalks. Wonder how much it costs to run those.
The City of Holland is using waste heat from their municipal power plant to heat the downtown streets. Until they installed their snowmelt system, the same warm water was being dumped into the Macatawa River by the power plant. The only added cost was the power to run the pumps in the system.

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Gentle Taz wrote:
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The City of Holland is using waste heat from their municipal power plant to heat the downtown streets. Until they installed their snowmelt system, the same warm water was being dumped into the Macatawa River by the power plant. The only added cost was the power to run the pumps in the system.
Thanks Taz. I thought you would know the answer to that question.
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County trucks are heating the roads right now as I type. No snow, no slush... just wet... driving in tandem, blades down and sparks a flyin'! Maybe the drivers are throwin' all those sparks to save "wear & tear" on headlights? Makes perfect sense (in this county). My god, if a snow flake were to actually stick, they would set up cones and analyze the melt rate. When the "real" snow gets here, won't see hide nor hair of 'em 'cause the budget will have been spent. Same thing, every year. I can see the maintenance boys at the Road Comm. garage now.. rubbing their hands and "high fiving" one another as they contemplate the massive overtime to come. "Wear them blades down to a nub baby!".

If I recall correctly, many many years ago, Holland had a surplus of $millions$ and decided "heated sidewalks" were just what the city needed. Shortly after the install, water mains ruptured and the city went millions into the red. Hey, did ya hear the one about the guy towing his rusted out piece 'o crap car to the junk yard? On the way he stopped @ Discount Tire and had a nice full set of chrome wheels and rubber put on. He wanted to keep up appearances.

Holland & GH just do not "get it". Always coming up with ideas in attempt to get people to spend @ taxpayer expense, still blind to the fact that the only residents in the area with real "play money" are the Dutch... and they're not coming off a penny. Now if they had a "wishing well" that one could climb into and retrieve 2 cents for every penny tossed? Holland would have a mob scene.

Grand Haven wants to "cool" the boardwalk for summer tourists... to keep their little piggy’s from going "wee wee wee" all the way home. We just need one good R12 man and a bicycle pump.

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Bob wrote:
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Yeah, but it would be fun trying to dodge all the homeless people sleeping on them at night.
I just found out Mountain Dew burns like hell coming out of your nose.

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Dec 9, 2009
 
snomad wrote:
County trucks are heating the roads right now as I type. No snow, no slush... just wet... driving in tandem, blades down and sparks a flyin'! Maybe the drivers are throwin' all those sparks to save "wear & tear" on headlights? Makes perfect sense (in this county). My god, if a snow flake were to actually stick, they would set up cones and analyze the melt rate. When the "real" snow gets here, won't see hide nor hair of 'em 'cause the budget will have been spent. Same thing, every year. I can see the maintenance boys at the Road Comm. garage now.. rubbing their hands and "high fiving" one another as they contemplate the massive overtime to come. "Wear them blades down to a nub baby!".
If I recall correctly, many many years ago, Holland had a surplus of $millions$ and decided "heated sidewalks" were just what the city needed. Shortly after the install, water mains ruptured and the city went millions into the red. Hey, did ya hear the one about the guy towing his rusted out piece 'o crap car to the junk yard? On the way he stopped @ Discount Tire and had a nice full set of chrome wheels and rubber put on. He wanted to keep up appearances.
Holland & GH just do not "get it". Always coming up with ideas in attempt to get people to spend @ taxpayer expense, still blind to the fact that the only residents in the area with real "play money" are the Dutch... and they're not coming off a penny. Now if they had a "wishing well" that one could climb into and retrieve 2 cents for every penny tossed? Holland would have a mob scene.
Grand Haven wants to "cool" the boardwalk for summer tourists... to keep their little piggy’s from going "wee wee wee" all the way home. We just need one good R12 man and a bicycle pump.
My morning rant
And a mighty fine rant it was. It almost seems like a race to see how fast they can burn thru their budget, then they sit back and say "if only we had more money".

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Yeah, but it would be fun trying to dodge all the homeless people sleeping on them at night.
Or if we don't dodge them..... we could solve 2 problems at once.... Heck if we could get our politicians to do the groundbreaking ceremony on the side of a major highway we could potentially solve 3 problems.

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<quoted text>LOL, of course that would work. Or... We can put little windmills on all the road-signs and do it that way.
ROFLMAO!:) Can't be any worse than the turtle walkway right? We can make the mini-windmills a Dutch version for the tourists.....lol... Oh...and we should make sure the roadsigns say 'paid for by the Obama stimulous...'

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Bob wrote:
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Yeah, but it would be fun trying to dodge all the homeless people sleeping on them at night.
Did you see "Men of a Certain Age" last night? They hit a opossom in the road and then ran over it a few more times to make sure it was dead.... lol....

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I know that you mean well, but this would require complete demolition of every road so that the heated coil system could be installed and the roads be re-poured. The cost of the infrastructure and energy to run the system would be astronomical. I agree we need to get rid of pork-barrel legislation, but this would FAR from pay for somthing like this.
Well in some areas the roads are self-destructing anyway so not a whole lot of demolition there...lol....

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Old Rocker wrote:
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On a different subject, this just popped into my head. Why don't we put windmills on our cars? They could generate the power to run as we travel.
Hmmm! Somehow, I think there's a flaw in my thinking.
OMG - I can see the commercial now....with Grandmole promoting the state of Michigan as the new place to be for windmill running cars....roflmao!
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Dec 11, 2009
 
Hurley35 wrote:
Eliminating Pork wouldn't even come close to paying for it.
spartanman wrote:
<quoted text>I agree we need to get rid of pork-barrel legislation, but this would FAR from pay for somthing like this.
i'm not so sure of that. we have a LOT of pork.
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Dec 11, 2009
 
spartanman wrote:
<quoted text>..this would require complete demolition of every road so that the heated coil system could be installed and the roads be re-poured.
perhaps we can start with the roads in the worst condition, that need to be fixed ANYWAY.

then we can move on to the busiest roads, one at a time.

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