Snyder wants to raise taxes and fees in Michigan

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Freedom

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#66
Feb 12, 2013
 
you want to know why we have so many taxes with everything. This shows it very well. The Republicans need more money so instead of taxing the people that are doing the best we want to tax the people that are doing the worst.
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#67
Feb 12, 2013
 
youtube.com/watch...
Goverment at Work,,also say no to the Tax raises those politicians just want a pay raise
Oneal

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#68
Feb 13, 2013
 
Freedom wrote:
you want to know why we have so many taxes with everything. This shows it very well. The Republicans need more money so instead of taxing the people that are doing the best we want to tax the people that are doing the worst.
Hopefully you're kidding. Republicans need more money? Democrats don't. Got it. I guess democrats never raise taxes on the middle class on your planet. Maybe you were out to lunch when it was revealed that Obamacare came with a pantload of tax increases and hidden costs to people of all levels of success or failure. Or maybe you just choose to ignore it when democrat politicians raise taxes under the popular premise that it will be only on people earning a million dollars, or is that $250,000, or $100,000 ...
Oneal

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Feb 13, 2013
 
SeenItBefore wrote:
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I'm not whining about it. But then I'm not the only one that lives in this state. There is no doubt in my mind that that could be a breaking point for some. That $10.00 could mean that much less gas, combined with the increases in gas taxes, they need to get back and forth to their overpaid jobs you claim there are so many of.
And as far as it being deductible, that doesn't come till the first quarter of the following year.
The lack of empathy always amazes me. Yet you freak out that companies have to pay taxes. Astounding.
While I am entirely against raising gas taxes, for personal and common sense reasons, and agree with your breaking point comment, I take issue with this now-common "empathy" argument.

If there was a shred of responsibility in how the government has taxed and spent, or we could see some impact in the trillions we've paid in taxes, there might be an argument, albeit still flawed, in the value of taxing at a greater rate those that can afford it to help those who cannot help themselves.

But how dare anyone accuse people who have been personally taxed, or had their businesses taxed, to the point of ridiculousness, without any evidence of effectiveness for all their hard hours worked and risk incurred to simply have it ripped from their wallets, that they somehow lack "empathy".

If we spent a fraction of the time developing focused charity organizations that we do arguing about whether "rich" people are paying enough to the government, we'd see a far greater impact on the lives of struggling people and you know it.

You leave empathy in the hands of individuals and you will see tangible results. You empower the government to simply take more money from one individual based on their level of success and we'll be arguing about the same damn thing a decade from now.

Lack of empathy?
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Feb 13, 2013
 
Oneal wrote:
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While I am entirely against raising gas taxes, for personal and common sense reasons, and agree with your breaking point comment, I take issue with this now-common "empathy" argument.
If there was a shred of responsibility in how the government has taxed and spent, or we could see some impact in the trillions we've paid in taxes, there might be an argument, albeit still flawed, in the value of taxing at a greater rate those that can afford it to help those who cannot help themselves.
But how dare anyone accuse people who have been personally taxed, or had their businesses taxed, to the point of ridiculousness, without any evidence of effectiveness for all their hard hours worked and risk incurred to simply have it ripped from their wallets, that they somehow lack "empathy".
If we spent a fraction of the time developing focused charity organizations that we do arguing about whether "rich" people are paying enough to the government, we'd see a far greater impact on the lives of struggling people and you know it.
You leave empathy in the hands of individuals and you will see tangible results. You empower the government to simply take more money from one individual based on their level of success and we'll be arguing about the same damn thing a decade from now.
Lack of empathy?
So you have missed that the powerful influence the "rules" made more than those without the power to be heard at least as loudly?
That is where the rules come from. Those who have been able to buy the ears of the rule makers bending them to their favor.

If it were not so we wouldn't still have the $2billion dollars in tax cuts for business in this state and the need to raise the taxes and fess on everyone.

We have enough charity organizations and churches that if they could handle the load we would not be having this disagreement. Churches and charity organizations can not do the charitable work necessary if there is a shortage of people donating to them. And when the majority of people have been hamstrung financially wage and taxation wise we should be expecting those few at the top to increase their giving to take up the slack? Is that what you're saying. Apparently they haven't because we are still having the problem.

The lack of empathy is not in the inability for whatever reason to help those unable to help themselves. The lack of empathy is in the inability to recognize the only $10 per month is or just may be causing more hardship on others more than just one's self.
Batch 37 Pain Is Good

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Feb 13, 2013
 
SeenItBefore wrote:
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So you have missed that the powerful influence the "rules" made more than those without the power to be heard at least as loudly?
That is where the rules come from. Those who have been able to buy the ears of the rule makers bending them to their favor.
If it were not so we wouldn't still have the $2billion dollars in tax cuts for business in this state and the need to raise the taxes and fess on everyone.
We have enough charity organizations and churches that if they could handle the load we would not be having this disagreement. Churches and charity organizations can not do the charitable work necessary if there is a shortage of people donating to them. And when the majority of people have been hamstrung financially wage and taxation wise we should be expecting those few at the top to increase their giving to take up the slack? Is that what you're saying. Apparently they haven't because we are still having the problem.
The lack of empathy is not in the inability for whatever reason to help those unable to help themselves. The lack of empathy is in the inability to recognize the only $10 per month is or just may be causing more hardship on others more than just one's self.
Apparently you contribute little......
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#72
Feb 13, 2013
 
Batch 37 Pain Is Good wrote:
<quoted text>Apparently you contribute little......
Yet still more than you do.
Batch 37 Pain Is Good

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Feb 13, 2013
 
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Yet still more than you do.
Not quite Marx.....
Oneal

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#74
Feb 13, 2013
 
SeenItBefore wrote:
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So you have missed that the powerful influence the "rules" made more than those without the power to be heard at least as loudly?
That is where the rules come from. Those who have been able to buy the ears of the rule makers bending them to their favor.
If it were not so we wouldn't still have the $2billion dollars in tax cuts for business in this state and the need to raise the taxes and fess on everyone.
We have enough charity organizations and churches that if they could handle the load we would not be having this disagreement. Churches and charity organizations can not do the charitable work necessary if there is a shortage of people donating to them. And when the majority of people have been hamstrung financially wage and taxation wise we should be expecting those few at the top to increase their giving to take up the slack? Is that what you're saying. Apparently they haven't because we are still having the problem.
The lack of empathy is not in the inability for whatever reason to help those unable to help themselves. The lack of empathy is in the inability to recognize the only $10 per month is or just may be causing more hardship on others more than just one's self.
I hear you. And I don't think most people have a problem understanding people are stretched thin, some more than others.

A coworker of mine has breast cancer and we've been doing small charity events to help her out. It's funny you cited $10, because that was precisely what we figured each employee would need to contribute in order to reach our goal for an event. It's clear, despite our employees earning decent salaries, that $10 stings to give away. I get that.

However, after the Connecticut school shooting that town had to literally go public with pleas to stop donating. They asked that further donations be directed elsewhere, which indicates there isn't a shortage of people willing or able to donate to those in need. What there is is a lack of trust by some, and deservedly so, in the government's motives and ability to distribute the money they take in taxes.

I find it interesting that the same people who complain about businesses and wealthy people garnering political favors seem to have a complete inability to recognize that it takes two to corrupt a tango. Those people don't seem to recognize the politicians' role in payoffs and favors. They just want to demonize the big bad business guy as if the poor innocent politicians are being forced to accept bribes and put political pressure on businesses to cooperate.

Doesn't it make sense that if our government weren't just as big a part of the corrupt problem, anyone attempting to influence the "rules" would simply be turned away? Unfortunately, life doesn't work that way. Government is run by politicians, and politicians are humans. Empowering already flawed humans with the ability to take from one person in hopes they give it to another, with no real way to make sure that happens, is ridiculously foolish.
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#76
Feb 13, 2013
 
Oneal wrote:
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I hear you. And I don't think most people have a problem understanding people are stretched thin, some more than others.
A coworker of mine has breast cancer and we've been doing small charity events to help her out. It's funny you cited $10, because that was precisely what we figured each employee would need to contribute in order to reach our goal for an event. It's clear, despite our employees earning decent salaries, that $10 stings to give away. I get that.
However, after the Connecticut school shooting that town had to literally go public with pleas to stop donating. They asked that further donations be directed elsewhere, which indicates there isn't a shortage of people willing or able to donate to those in need. What there is is a lack of trust by some, and deservedly so, in the government's motives and ability to distribute the money they take in taxes.
I find it interesting that the same people who complain about businesses and wealthy people garnering political favors seem to have a complete inability to recognize that it takes two to corrupt a tango. Those people don't seem to recognize the politicians' role in payoffs and favors. They just want to demonize the big bad business guy as if the poor innocent politicians are being forced to accept bribes and put political pressure on businesses to cooperate.
Doesn't it make sense that if our government weren't just as big a part of the corrupt problem, anyone attempting to influence the "rules" would simply be turned away? Unfortunately, life doesn't work that way. Government is run by politicians, and politicians are humans. Empowering already flawed humans with the ability to take from one person in hopes they give it to another, with no real way to make sure that happens, is ridiculously foolish.
I have said it before, our government/representatives are as corrupt as it is because of the sense in this country of greed is good. That being as wealthy as possibly is good. That everyone has the freedom to gain as much wealth as they can and making the "laws" easier to accomplish it.

If we were to get rid of ALL our current representatives as many have proclaimed would be good, what we would end up with is a fresh group of corruptibles because the lobbyists would still be there to teach them how Washington actually works. The special interests would still be there as the only means of financing a campaign because it costs so much to run a campaign for election. Get rid of all those corrupt representatives and replace them and the same cycle starts all over again. UNTIL the money that drives the corruption is made illegal with the teeth to enforce it.
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#77
Feb 14, 2013
 
What's the fill that fat titty Bonamana to Jason's weekend I see it is supposed to watch a walk to remember to turn on the Jason this is it was just with Jason
Oneal

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#78
Feb 15, 2013
 
SeenItBefore wrote:
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I have said it before, our government/representatives are as corrupt as it is because of the sense in this country of greed is good. That being as wealthy as possibly is good. That everyone has the freedom to gain as much wealth as they can and making the "laws" easier to accomplish it.
If we were to get rid of ALL our current representatives as many have proclaimed would be good, what we would end up with is a fresh group of corruptibles because the lobbyists would still be there to teach them how Washington actually works. The special interests would still be there as the only means of financing a campaign because it costs so much to run a campaign for election. Get rid of all those corrupt representatives and replace them and the same cycle starts all over again. UNTIL the money that drives the corruption is made illegal with the teeth to enforce it.
You have a problem with the freedom to gain as much wealth as you can? I sincerely can't believe you really feel that way.
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#79
Feb 15, 2013
 
Oneal wrote:
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You have a problem with the freedom to gain as much wealth as you can? I sincerely can't believe you really feel that way.
It is not as simple as that, that is true.

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Feb 15, 2013
 
Oneal wrote:
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You have a problem with the freedom to gain as much wealth as you can? I sincerely can't believe you really feel that way.
SIB is still waiting for her free Obama money!
She's in this video, waiting for the free cash

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

Them liberals just HATE people that work for a living!
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#81
Feb 15, 2013
 
Gville Jim wrote:
<quoted text>SIB is still waiting for her free Obama money!
She's in this video, waiting for the free cash
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
Them liberals just HATE people that work for a living!
Well I can say I would never stoop that low with you. Nice.
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#82
Feb 15, 2013
 
Gville Jim wrote:
<quoted text>SIB is still waiting for her free Obama money!
She's in this video, waiting for the free cash
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
Them liberals just HATE people that work for a living!
Hey Jim, thought I'd jump in here. You probably weren't told this before or even though of it but ... being told you're the manager and told you're stocking the shelves isn't really very promising profession either. Of course I understand how you might feel under those circumstances but Topix isn't the place to display your frustration and anger. Try harder.
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#83
Feb 15, 2013
 
You have to understand G'ville Jim as he likes to be called was away all day at the dollar store platooning as both manager and shelf stocker and being told that someday he might just develop into a real manager. Ring a bell Jim? Good luck chump. Hate to be you.

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#84
Feb 15, 2013
 
SeenItBefore wrote:
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Well I can say I would never stoop that low with you. Nice.
You've stooped so low yourself that your comment really means nothing.
It's really odd that after all of your negative comments and personal attacks that you'd even think that I cared about your opinion !
Have a nice day!

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#85
Feb 15, 2013
 
pipedream wrote:
You have to understand G'ville Jim as he likes to be called was away all day at the dollar store platooning as both manager and shelf stocker and being told that someday he might just develop into a real manager. Ring a bell Jim? Good luck chump. Hate to be you.
Have a nice day!
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#86
Feb 15, 2013
 
Gville Jim wrote:
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You've stooped so low yourself that your comment really means nothing.
It's really odd that after all of your negative comments and personal attacks that you'd even think that I cared about your opinion !
Have a nice day!
Negative comments and "personal attacks" are one thing. Blatant racist innuendo is an entirely different matter.

Why would I care what a racist neo-nazi skinhead white trash from Grandville like you thinks either.

You want the gloves off. So be it.

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