2 Ionia toddlers fall from window

2 Ionia toddlers fall from window

There are 165 comments on the WOOD-TV Grand Rapids and Michigan story from Jul 4, 2008, titled 2 Ionia toddlers fall from window. In it, WOOD-TV Grand Rapids and Michigan reports that:

Two children under the age of three are in the hospital after they fell from a second-story window to the sidewalk below at an apartment building in Ionia Friday.

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Ionia 2

Hudsonville, MI

#84 Jul 5, 2008
What does Mexico have to do with this???
Gail in Wyoming

Grand Rapids, MI

#85 Jul 5, 2008
Has anybody heard any updates on the children? I hope they are going to be okay.
GR Res

Lafayette, CO

#86 Jul 5, 2008
Yup! 2 Kids?? WEIRD!! And a screen would NOT have saved these kids! The parents were probably smoking crack not paying attention! Poor babies! I hope they are going to be OK
Ionia 2

Hudsonville, MI

#87 Jul 5, 2008
Mom was sleeping
Just me

United States

#88 Jul 5, 2008
rval2 wrote:
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And babysit the tenants and their guests 24/7 to make sure they didn't take the screens out??
You and a couple others commenting here are Stupid at its best
I am saying, the landlord should not be held responsible at all here. They can put the screens in, but they are not there 24/7. One would think that any normal adult is smart enough to know better.

Since: Mar 08

Louisville, CO

#89 Jul 5, 2008
Mr Long wrote:
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Yep...probably aren't used to 2 story buildings...The don't have those in Juarez...
DEPORT the 'rents. Adopt out the kids to someone who is responsible
umm when was the last time you were in Juarez? I seem to reember several two story establishments three if you count the basement.
Mr Obvious

Morley, MI

#90 Jul 5, 2008
I can't be the only thinking this was no accident! Two kids falling at the same time. what are the odds of that?

“Congrats to all Graduating”

Since: Aug 07

Muskegon, MI

#91 Jul 6, 2008
Just me wrote:
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I am saying, the landlord should not be held responsible at all here. They can put the screens in, but they are not there 24/7. One would think that any normal adult is smart enough to know better.
unfortunately, even if he didn't know that these children were staying there, he can be held liable in a cival suit.
He admitted knowing the children were there and the screens were out, not that , that would keep a child in.He said he told them to keep the screens in.
If I was a apartment owner, I would have bars on these, I was reading that they have a pop put deal for emergencies.
He should have given them a 7 day harmful or hazardous eviction, due to the fact he said there were complaints due to this before.
that would include the tenant and any others staying there that were not on the lease.
it is very sad that this happened, it dose seem off that 2 fell out, I bet one tried to grab a hold of the other, or one accident grabbed the other as they fell..
it is so sad.
with that being said, the parents, the tenant and the land lord all should have been smart enough to know better...
it is truly a sad situation..please do not feel I am attacking your post.

“Congrats to all Graduating”

Since: Aug 07

Muskegon, MI

#92 Jul 6, 2008
Mr Obvious wrote:
I can't be the only thinking this was no accident! Two kids falling at the same time. what are the odds of that?
no, it crossed my mind, just like 2 children drowning at the same time???
I just hate to think something like that..
the only other thing I could come up with was what I said above, either they grabbed as they fell, or one tried to save the other.
where was the adult?
I could see it more if 1 child fell, as happened a few months back, freak accidents do happen..
these children were just sitting on the ledge for a period of time..that is NEGLECT!

“Secure our borders!!!”

Since: Jun 07

Tucson, AZ

#93 Jul 6, 2008
Hey Bri Bri73, Hope all is well with you.
Dawn

Granbury, TX

#94 Jul 6, 2008
Bri Bri 73 wrote:
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no, it crossed my mind, just like 2 children drowning at the same time???
I just hate to think something like that..
the only other thing I could come up with was what I said above, either they grabbed as they fell, or one tried to save the other.
where was the adult?
I could see it more if 1 child fell, as happened a few months back, freak accidents do happen..
these children were just sitting on the ledge for a period of time..that is NEGLECT!
Take the kids away from the negligent Mom and give them to parents who will love them and care for them properly!Then take the Mom,put her in the window and shove her as* out and let her see how it feels!
driver1234

United States

#95 Jul 6, 2008
why dont this story say where the mom was at the time the kids were falling out the window .and if the cops were already on the way to the kids sitting on the window .why didnt the person who called go up there and knock on the door and say hay your kids are hanging out the window .you think there might be more to this story that we havent heard yet .
Gail in Wyoming

Grand Rapids, MI

#96 Jul 6, 2008
I think there is a lot more to this story that we haven't heard yet. I hope there is a intense investigation going on right now.

I did hear on the news this morning that the little girl is in serious condition and her brother is in critical condition. I pray that they will come through this and be okay. And they definitely should not go back to whoever was in charge of watching (or, in this case) not watching over them.

Since: Jan 08

Auburn

#97 Jul 6, 2008
Thank you. My cat can push out a screen if he wants to! They are not made for anything but keeping bugs out. I hope the children recover from this as well.
Common Sense Citizen wrote:
I have to say I am sick of hearing about "The (landlord, mom, dad)...should have had a screen in the window". SCREENS DON"T STOP FALLS! They are not made for that purpose, heavy duty or not. You need to get window guards or window stops, etc. that are made for protecting children/pets so they can't get out.
Blah, blah, blah...
I just hope that those children will be okay.
just thinking

United States

#98 Jul 6, 2008
good idea...take away the kids. that's just what society needs, more foster kid. more people that i have to pay to support with my taxes. accidents do happen people.
Ursula K Raphael

Ionia, MI

#99 Jul 6, 2008
I don't know why race matters...there are plenty of dumb parents of all races who don't pay attention to their children.
Another poster made a good point: screens wouldn't necessarily stop a child from falling out of a window, especially when two children were involved.
I can't help but question the posters who are parents defending the mother in this case. If you have ever raised a toddler, then you should know better than anyone how easily they can get into an accident as close as arm's length, so why tempt fate and leave two toddlers unsupervised.
We don't know where the mother was in proximity to the children, but we do know that a neighbor had already reported that the children were in the window for more than a few moments. Even if one child managed to give his mother the slip before falling, wouldn't she have been close enough to grab the second one, if she was nearby?
As far as the landlord - he may be legally liable, but those children were not his responsibility. I am so sick of hearing people who think everyone is suppose to take part in raising another person's child. People either need to sincerely commit at least eighteen years of their life to raising their children or don't have any - it's not a part-time job, it's not a community project - it's YOUR child, dependent on you to have enough common sense to keep your child safe, healthy, and happy.
Gail in Wyoming

Grand Rapids, MI

#100 Jul 6, 2008
just thinking wrote:
good idea...take away the kids. that's just what society needs, more foster kid. more people that i have to pay to support with my taxes. accidents do happen people.
I'll gladly use my tax dollar to keep ALL children safe. Granted, keeping all of them safe most likely won't happen. But if it means a safe child in foster care (and possibly adopted out by a family that will be there for them and love them) or a child being returned to parents that are not there for them (and the child probably being hurt again through neglect), I'll take foster care.

I think my tax dollar would be spent more wisely for this than some of the other things my tax dollar pays for.
drena

Scottsdale, AZ

#101 Jul 6, 2008
Wow
vanlia

Seattle, WA

#102 Jul 6, 2008
Mmm wrote:
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What are you talking about? Full of illegals? How do you figure? I work at a school near downtown Ionia and I have never seen all of these so called illegals. I have occasionally had students from migrant families who are American citizens working in the area. You are so full of it! Get a life. And who said these kids were even Hispanic. The landlord is.
Well then you sure don't know or watch at any time do you. There are so many illegals in Ionia it is not even funny! A lot of them work at the egg farm out of town. They squeeze into little apartments around the downtown area, sometimes 6 to a 2 bedroom apartment. Maybe you should open your eyes more!

“...all but 6...UNLESS”

Since: Mar 08

The Merry Ol Land Of Oz

#103 Jul 6, 2008
Bri Bri 73 wrote:
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unfortunately, even if he didn't know that these children were staying there, he can be held liable in a cival suit.
You are misinformed; The Landlord would NEVER be held liable for this; This is not a situation where he didn't keep the sidewalk clear of snow and someone fell;
Bri Bri 73 wrote:
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If I was a apartment owner, I would have bars on these, I was reading that they have a pop put deal for emergencies.
Agreed
Bri Bri 73 wrote:
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He should have given them a 7 day harmful or hazardous eviction, due to the fact he said there were complaints due to this before.
No such thing; Especially if there is a lease; Even if the lease was a month to month, he would still have to give them 30 days, and if they didn't move out after 30 days, he would have to file an evicition through the Court; this does not go as quickly as one thinks; the usual course in evictions is about 60 days
Bri Bri 73 wrote:
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it dose seem odd that 2 fell out, I bet one tried to grab a hold of the other, or one accident grabbed the other as they fell..
Nothing "odd" about it; they were 2+1/2 years old and 18 months old sitting in a window; this isn't brain surgery; I doubt that even the 2+1/2 year old would know to grab an 18 month old if they saw one falling; Bottom line: 2+1/2 year old and 18 months old don't sit still; this likely happened in a matter of seconds

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