Really

Wyoming, MI

#144 Oct 5, 2013
Sassy wrote:
As usual you are WRONG!!! again Sister. Like I said those are places that I personally know people that work there and have told me their health policies. You see I just don't LISTEN to the media. I LISTEN to those that have experience. When the UPS issue came up we all said what no big deal, many companies are already doing that.
BTW YOU are the one that NEVER provides links.
<quoted text>
Then put up your links or shut up about it! Simple solution if you weren't so pig headed about being the only person who has held 100 jobs and has all the "contacts." What a trip you are! You are good for a giggle though, thanks.
Really

Wyoming, MI

#145 Oct 5, 2013
pipedream wrote:
<quoted text>
This was easy. Here ya go big mouth. Cluck, cluck away.
I actually posted this same link months ago in response to another big mouth's claims ... but here it is again, especially for you Cluck, Cluck.
Who Is The Smallest Government Spender Since Eisenhower? Would You Believe It's Barack Obama?
http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2012/05...
thanks Pipester, however, when you provide analysis from and UNBIASED perspective, you just might get some takers. Apparently none of you progressives noted the notation at the top of the page?(I write from the left for Forbes). Seems you guys just can't find unbiased information these days. Must be because your noses are buried in Obama's behind. thanks for the giggle though. And the numbers he used? Taken out of context, but that is nothing new for the left these days.
pipedream

Grand Blanc, MI

#146 Oct 5, 2013
that's OK cluck-cluck, authors findings were confirmed/substantiated by numerous other sources.

You just can't win can you cluck-cluck?
Really

Wyoming, MI

#147 Oct 5, 2013
pipedream wrote:
that's OK cluck-cluck, authors findings were confirmed/substantiated by numerous other sources.
You just can't win can you cluck-cluck?
Oh, were we having a contest there little man?? I win every day, the fact that you don't think I do is of little consequence since you don't matter.
pipedream

Grand Blanc, MI

#148 Oct 5, 2013
It matters to you Cluck-cluck, or you wouldn't be trolling on here and responding to everyone you hate. You're a broken record. You get it from people on here because you make yourself a good target. You never have anything of substance to say, always attacking others. I bet your life in general is the same way as you are on here.

Since: Feb 10

Grand Rapids, MI

#149 Oct 5, 2013
Mr Wiggley wrote:
<quoted text>
Your examples of countries to "fly off to" are probably 2 of the least desirable to go to for any reason. That made your point basically moot.
Not-for-profit companies do not, as you say, turn a profit however, they do show Asset Gain. That Asset Gain can be used for many things...raises, bonuses, cars, baseball games, spreading the gain with the employees.
The company my wife works for is not-for-profit. Her project involves competing in a for-profit market. They do very well and given the economy, have grown every year since we have been here. Many, if not all, of the for-profit companies she competes with do not pay their employees as well and charge more for their services and generally produce a lesser quality of service.
Her incentive and motivation is not driven by having to show profits at the end of the year. The board of directors is not interested in profits.
Money and profit are the root of all greed and evil. Insurance companies have been proven in court to deny coverage to folks because it is their bottom line to make a profit. If we removed that incentive insurance companies could/maybe would stop denying coverage to folks based solely on profit loss.
My response about Russia and China was to the comment about "the cure is to make insurance companies not-for-profit like all other major countries." Russia and China certainly fit that definition. Have you hear of BRIC? Brazil, Russia, India and China. If you had needed life saving surgery on Wednesday, which of those five countries would you fly off to?

Sorry, "asset gain" can not be used for baseball games, and other "sales building" events that for-profit companies can do. A for profit company just has to convince the board that it is a good use of the money. For a non-profit they have to convince the IRS. When I was with Dr Pepper we went to Hawaii for a week and the folks who couldn't get in the main hotel had to "slum it" down at the Ritz Carlton. Yes, the goverment does that, but when did your wife go to Hawaii for a week paid for by her company?

Money and profits are not the root of all greed and evil. But then again, most liberals are anti-Christian, anti-Bible and certainly anti-truth. The actual quote is Prov. 20:10 "See the various deceits men use, of which the love of money is the root. The Lord will not bless what is thus gotten." And then in the NT it is mentioned again in 1 Tim: 6:10, but since liberals don't care about facts, history, religion, etc. does it really matter?Of course the truth that the LOVE of money is the root of deceit/evil is only thousands of years old, but liberals still can't get it right.

Do you understand how insurance companies work or do you think they are some type of secular church, meant to give away money to those in need?

Since: Feb 10

Grand Rapids, MI

#150 Oct 5, 2013
Sassy wrote:
Alro Steel, Wells Fargo, Steelcase, Amway that is to name a few.
<quoted text>
As an FYI, from a recent Towers Watson survey "next year 12% of employers plan to exclude spouses, up from 4% this year" due to Obamacare. "Such exclusions barely existed three years ago."

Yes they existed. No they were not common at all. And yes, it is the D's fault, especially the President.

Since: Feb 10

Grand Rapids, MI

#151 Oct 5, 2013
Bob wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm not sure what disease you've got, but my point is in direct contrast to your whiny rant that you don't see people leaving the USA for medical care.
Can we all assume that you are dressing up as Michelle Bachmann for Halloween?
Bob, I don't have a whiny rant and your point keeps getting shot down. Either get an education and elevate your points or go someplace else and entertain yourself.

If you have real facts and arguments, present them. Otherwise we don't care.
pipedream

Grand Blanc, MI

#152 Oct 5, 2013
This would tend to negate the significance/validity of your Towers Watson survey.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2013/09/19/22...

Employers trimming health costs by cutting coverage for spouses is nothing new. Its been going on for awhile and would have continued, even accelerated, had ACA not come about.

Any connection the ACA has to employers cutting spouses from their health insurance is slight.

Numerous sources I've read on the subject bear this out.
Dark Moth

Byron Center, MI

#153 Oct 5, 2013
pipedream wrote:
This would tend to negate the significance/validity of your Towers Watson survey.
http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2013/09/19/22...
Employers trimming health costs by cutting coverage for spouses is nothing new. Its been going on for awhile and would have continued, even accelerated, had ACA not come about.
Any connection the ACA has to employers cutting spouses from their health insurance is slight.
Numerous sources I've read on the subject bear this out.
Xilka Xilka Besa Besa

“Selected Marksman”

Since: Aug 08

Northern Virginia

#154 Oct 6, 2013
FLBeaver wrote:
<quoted text>
My response about Russia and China was to the comment about "the cure is to make insurance companies not-for-profit like all other major countries." Russia and China certainly fit that definition. Have you hear of BRIC? Brazil, Russia, India and China. If you had needed life saving surgery on Wednesday, which of those five countries would you fly off to?
Sorry, "asset gain" can not be used for baseball games, and other "sales building" events that for-profit companies can do. A for profit company just has to convince the board that it is a good use of the money. For a non-profit they have to convince the IRS. When I was with Dr Pepper we went to Hawaii for a week and the folks who couldn't get in the main hotel had to "slum it" down at the Ritz Carlton. Yes, the goverment does that, but when did your wife go to Hawaii for a week paid for by her company?
Money and profits are not the root of all greed and evil. But then again, most liberals are anti-Christian, anti-Bible and certainly anti-truth. The actual quote is Prov. 20:10 "See the various deceits men use, of which the love of money is the root. The Lord will not bless what is thus gotten." And then in the NT it is mentioned again in 1 Tim: 6:10, but since liberals don't care about facts, history, religion, etc. does it really matter?Of course the truth that the LOVE of money is the root of deceit/evil is only thousands of years old, but liberals still can't get it right.
Do you understand how insurance companies work or do you think they are some type of secular church, meant to give away money to those in need?
Your major country point is still moot. If those are the only major countries you can think of you need to go back to school.

You obviously know very little about how a not-for-profit company works. Take an accounting class any try again.
I have no desire to go to Hawaii, but our week in Williamsburg was wonderful...and paid for by her company.
Baseball games...hmmmm, I guess you think the board of directors pay their own way to them when they meet every year?? You though wrong...

I guess I should have narrowed my money and evil comment down for you. I was referring to out politicians, democraps and republicants alike. If you can find one thing that has had a greater influence on politicians than money I'd like to hear it. Money has corrupted even the tea bagger bunch. Every single one of them has broken their promise of not accepting gifts and freebies.

Your "anti-christian" "anti-bible" and "anti-truth" references speak volumes. Somebody hurt your feelings because they dared to tell you they don't believe what you thought was absolute about your bible and your god being, therefore relegating them to not be able to discern what the truth is.
I can help you with the truth part but not the sensitivity you display about your god and bible.
Really

Wyoming, MI

#155 Oct 6, 2013
pipedream wrote:
It matters to you Cluck-cluck, or you wouldn't be trolling on here and responding to everyone you hate. You're a broken record. You get it from people on here because you make yourself a good target. You never have anything of substance to say, always attacking others. I bet your life in general is the same way as you are on here.
Another bet you would lose little man. And unlike you, I don't hate anyone. Dislike people? Oh yeah, but don't hate because that is a wasted emotion and life is too short to waste it hating someone. What goes around comes around little man, so be careful what you wish for because you just might get it. And no, you are of zero consequence in my life. My life is neither ruined nor enriched by responding to your petty rants. I do get amusement from your stupidity, however.
Really

Wyoming, MI

#156 Oct 6, 2013
Truth is a relative term for most people.
Bob

Big Rapids, MI

#157 Oct 6, 2013
Phil wrote:
<quoted text>Booby has a strong point here. Nobody understands Obamacare. As Obama learns more about it he changes it. Benghazi on the other hand, everybody knows Obama left them over there to hang. Even Booby understands this.
Actually, you knuckle dragging patriot know just as much about Benghazi as you do about Obamacare.......

Both of them have been misreported on a nearly continuous basis by FAUX News!

I do understand the Affordable Care Act, which I'm quite sure none of you dolts has even heard about. You need to be learning about it, so you can get your own health insurance when your incarceration is completed?
Bob

Big Rapids, MI

#158 Oct 6, 2013
Really wrote:
<quoted text>thanks Pipester, however, when you provide analysis from and UNBIASED perspective, you just might get some takers. Apparently none of you progressives noted the notation at the top of the page?(I write from the left for Forbes). Seems you guys just can't find unbiased information these days. Must be because your noses are buried in Obama's behind. thanks for the giggle though. And the numbers he used? Taken out of context, but that is nothing new for the left these days.
Thanks for refraining from making another of your normal petty attacks, and providing your own unbiased links to your version of the truth!
Bob

Big Rapids, MI

#159 Oct 6, 2013
FLBeaver wrote:
<quoted text>
Bob, I don't have a whiny rant and your point keeps getting shot down. Either get an education and elevate your points or go someplace else and entertain yourself.
If you have real facts and arguments, present them. Otherwise we don't care.
You've been proven wrong numerous times, change your plans for a happy future.
Phil

Oxford, MI

#160 Oct 6, 2013
Bob wrote:
<quoted text>Actually, you knuckle dragging patriot know just as much about Benghazi as you do about Obamacare.......

Both of them have been misreported on a nearly continuous basis by FAUX News!

I do understand the Affordable Care Act, which I'm quite sure none of you dolts has even heard about. You need to be learning about it, so you can get your own health insurance when your incarceration is completed?
"What does it really matter now" we need to sign up for it so we can find out how it works. You are correct that members of your party and you that think that way are dolts and knuckle draggers.
Bob812

Lansing, MI

#161 Oct 6, 2013
pipedream wrote:
Hahaha
I woke to this.
Mitch McConnell Rails Against Ted Cruz
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/04/mitc...
huff & puff post, useless POS so called jour-no-lism

“Lost my mind”

Since: Apr 07

be back later

#162 Oct 7, 2013
Bob wrote:
<quoted text>
Thanks for refraining from making another of your normal petty attacks, and providing your own unbiased links to your version of the truth!
Hypocrite much there Bob?

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#163 Oct 7, 2013
DOW JONES DROPPED 134 POINTS TODAY.....Seem's the 401K's of working American's will start reflecting the Republican's Government Shutdown, real soon.....

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