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Oct 4, 2013
 
FLBeaver wrote:
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For lots of folks, the cure would be worse than the disease. I don't see any folks flying off from the US to Russia or China for their medical care. And like many you obviously believe that by making health insurance companies not-for-profit, one can ignore the basic rules of economics.
So let's take one simple rule. If I'm running a not-for-profit insurance company, why would I offer health insurance when I make $0, while I make $$$$ in auto/home/life/etc. insurance. What company stays in a business that never turns a profit? How does this impact the "supply" side of the equation? Do more companies enter or leave? How exactly does making health insurance companies not-for-profit incent companies to invest in drugs, medical technology, etc?
Your examples of countries to "fly off to" are probably 2 of the least desirable to go to for any reason. That made your point basically moot.
Not-for-profit companies do not, as you say, turn a profit however, they do show Asset Gain. That Asset Gain can be used for many things...raises, bonuses, cars, baseball games, spreading the gain with the employees.
The company my wife works for is not-for-profit. Her project involves competing in a for-profit market. They do very well and given the economy, have grown every year since we have been here. Many, if not all, of the for-profit companies she competes with do not pay their employees as well and charge more for their services and generally produce a lesser quality of service.
Her incentive and motivation is not driven by having to show profits at the end of the year. The board of directors is not interested in profits.
Money and profit are the root of all greed and evil. Insurance companies have been proven in court to deny coverage to folks because it is their bottom line to make a profit. If we removed that incentive insurance companies could/maybe would stop denying coverage to folks based solely on profit loss.
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Alro Steel, Wells Fargo, Steelcase, Amway that is to name a few.
vox veritatis wrote:
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Name some that had that as a policy prior to Obamacare and prove that the majority of companies follow that policy (and did prior to Obamacare). You made the claim...back it up with some solid proof.
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FLBeaver wrote:
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I'm not sure where your questions and comments are coming from unless you were responding to someone else, or you haven't been paying attention.
We need a Senate and the House so that we have checks and balances in our system. The purpose of government is NOT to make as many laws as possible. So what the House and Senate are doing right now is exactly what they were designed for.
Why would I have been against the Republican filibuster in the Senate back when there was a democratic majority in the House?
And no, my views have pretty much stayed the same over the past decades, at least in these areas.
It's probably beyond you, but if you'd like to take another attempt, feel free to actually answer my (or anyone else's) questions.
I was responding to a post some bozo made that follows:

"And since 9 Michigan reps voted for it and 5 Michigan reps voted against it, why are the Michigan Senators ignoring the will of Michigan voters and voting against the bill sent by the House? Shouldn't they both be voting in favor of defunding the ACA? Do the Michigan Senators represent the voters of Michigan or not?"

I hope that looks familiar.... Seeing as how you made it.

Now that we've got the straightened out, let's think about the fact that our state's senators were elected by a majority of the people in this state, per the constitution.
Bob

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FLBeaver wrote:
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Actually you supported my point. From the link "The avoidance of waiting times is the leading factor for medical tourism from the UK, whereas in the US, the main reason is cheaper prices abroad."
As I said, the cure may be worse than the disease.
I'm not sure what disease you've got, but my point is in direct contrast to your whiny rant that you don't see people leaving the USA for medical care.

Can we all assume that you are dressing up as Michelle Bachmann for Halloween?
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Not only have I heard of Blue Cross/Blue Shield of Michigan, it is what I have.
I disagree. The Senate is not only there to rubber stamp whatever the House passes.
Lots of people go to more affordable places for medical care, just as lots of people eat at McDonalds instead of a high end steak house or have a "staycation" instead of going on a 14-day cruise. Tradeoffs is one of the many economic principles that liberals don't get.
I also disagree with you that the only way to run a health insurance organization is to discriminate in favor of profits over people. Lots of doctors, nurses, hospitals, etc. provide free care, and not just here but around the world. There are a multitude of Christian organizations that do so. Heck I think there is even a Christian medical ship that goes around the world providing free care.
And I am still waiting for your answer to my question: If you are running a not-for-profit insurance company, why would you offer health insurance when you make $0, while making $$$ in home/life/auto insurance?
??????

You may want to stick to something a little easier to understand.....

Like BENGHAZI!
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Bob wrote:
<quoted text>??????

You may want to stick to something a little easier to understand.....

Like BENGHAZI!
Booby has a strong point here. Nobody understands Obamacare. As Obama learns more about it he changes it. Benghazi on the other hand, everybody knows Obama left them over there to hang. Even Booby understands this.
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Bob wrote:
Can we all assume that you are dressing up as Michelle Bachmann for Halloween?
Can we all assume you're dressing up as a turd? Not that people will able to tell a difference....
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Zed wrote:
My company has had that policy for years.
You missed the second part of my statement: prove that the majority of companies follow that policy (and did prior to Obamacare).
Links, please.
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Alro Steel, Wells Fargo, Steelcase, Amway that is to name a few.
LInks, please. As Bob so pithily commented on another thread, your say-so without credible links to back it up don't mean squat.
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Those are just examples of some of the companies I personally know people that work there. Look it up yourself.
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LInks, please. As Bob so pithily commented on another thread, your say-so without credible links to back it up don't mean squat.

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Sassy wrote:
Those are just examples of some of the companies I personally know people that work there. Look it up yourself.
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Sassy, i see Forbes has an article, showing that President Obama has actually been the smallest spender, of all the Presidents since, Dwight D. Eisenhower.....fascinating.... .
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Sassy wrote:
Those are just examples of some of the companies I personally know people that work there. Look it up yourself.
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Just saw on Yahoo news that GE and Walgreen's have done the same thing that the other companies have done. My my, and GE is in Obama's hip pocket too. Must be greed isn't limited to "conservatives" eh?
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vox veritatis wrote:
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LInks, please. As Bob so pithily commented on another thread, your say-so without credible links to back it up don't mean squat.
She won't provide links. That onus is only on those who disagree with her, Bob, Blue or Obama
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Go Blue Forever wrote:
<quoted text> Sassy, i see Forbes has an article, showing that President Obama has actually been the smallest spender, of all the Presidents since, Dwight D. Eisenhower.....fascinating.... .
Link please so we can read it ourselves? Otherwise, it's a lie.
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Really wrote:
<quoted text>Link please so we can read it ourselves? Otherwise, it's a lie.
This was easy. Here ya go big mouth. Cluck, cluck away.

I actually posted this same link months ago in response to another big mouth's claims ... but here it is again, especially for you Cluck, Cluck.

Who Is The Smallest Government Spender Since Eisenhower? Would You Believe It's Barack Obama?

http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2012/05...
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As usual you are WRONG!!! again Sister. Like I said those are places that I personally know people that work there and have told me their health policies. You see I just don't LISTEN to the media. I LISTEN to those that have experience. When the UPS issue came up we all said what no big deal, many companies are already doing that.

BTW YOU are the one that NEVER provides links.
Really wrote:
<quoted text>She won't provide links. That onus is only on those who disagree with her, Bob, Blue or Obama
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Even if Blue provided a link you wouldn't believe it or read it. You just love to argue with him.
Really wrote:
<quoted text>Link please so we can read it ourselves? Otherwise, it's a lie.
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Interesting article Pipester. Thanks.
pipedream wrote:
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This was easy. Here ya go big mouth. Cluck, cluck away.
I actually posted this same link months ago in response to another big mouth's claims ... but here it is again, especially for you Cluck, Cluck.
Who Is The Smallest Government Spender Since Eisenhower? Would You Believe It's Barack Obama?
http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2012/05...
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I read it. It is quite interesting, but you know how those others will react.
Go Blue Forever wrote:
<quoted text> Sassy, i see Forbes has an article, showing that President Obama has actually been the smallest spender, of all the Presidents since, Dwight D. Eisenhower.....fascinating.... .

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pipedream wrote:
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This was easy. Here ya go big mouth. Cluck, cluck away.
I actually posted this same link months ago in response to another big mouth's claims ... but here it is again, especially for you Cluck, Cluck.
Who Is The Smallest Government Spender Since Eisenhower? Would You Believe It's Barack Obama?
http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2012/05...
Thanks, i just love that information, especially after all the Obama Over-Spending, fake outrage....lol....

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