“Selected Marksman”

Since: Aug 08

Northern Virginia

#42 Oct 2, 2013
FLBeaver wrote:
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The most famous compromise was the Missouri Compromise which extended slavery for another 40 years. It wasn't until the far right under Lincoln and the far left under Davis decided the time for compromise was over. Had they continued to compromise, the world would be a very different place.
In my real world, compromise means win-win. In the political world it seems to be either lose-lose or win-lose.
So, take a shot. What would be a compromise that would be a win for both sides?
Hopefully you will address both of my responses...
Another thought here...another "compromise" would be the keeping of the promise Obama made...you will be able to keep your present insurance...so I say...Obama, make it so...stand on big business and make them follow your claim.
TBA

United States

#43 Oct 2, 2013
Funny, all the Liberals/Democrats/Progressive s complain about the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer.

This affordable care act, is ALL about money. The greedy Left, lead by Obama wants the Government to control all that money. Probably because they have done such a bang up job With SS, Medicare, medic-aid and such.

They were counting on the Sheep who voted for them not to realize, this was a money grab, from the 5th largest source of money in the U.S.

They have convinced the mindless that this is a good thing, all the while, masking the massive amount of money pouring into the Governments control.

Not to mention all the additional Government employees to run this. Just starting with a Minimum of 1100 new irs agents, but that is just the tip girls.

The rich will get richer and the poor will get poorer, all the while the mindless, welfare, union, uninformed, liberal voters will continue to blame The other side.

The Democrats are lucky, They know their voting base will believe anything they feed them.
pipedream

Grand Blanc, MI

#44 Oct 2, 2013
Mr Wiggley wrote:
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The second would have killed Obama's illegal over-ride giving Congress and it's staff special treatment in the exchanges.
Had the gutless Democrap Senate passed it we would not be where we are today. I believe at least 9 Democrats in the House also supported this action.
Your thoughts?
Probably just more b.s. misinformation and outright lies from the right wing extreme lunatics but I'll give you the opportunity to prove your claim of "Obama's illegal over-ride ..."

Mr Wiggley you're delusion and lunacy is coming thru clear as a bell.

Since: Feb 10

Grand Rapids, MI

#46 Oct 2, 2013
pipedream wrote:
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lol. You're another one who epitomizes the term white trash in every way -- Ignorant yet arrogant with racism and hate added in.
40% of the t-baggers are democrats eh?
I bet your mirror draws a blank when you step in front of one.
Do a search for "40% tea party democrats". I got over 14 million hits.

Here's just one
http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/tea-party-...

While this is old it is probably about the same today. Remember, the % of folks who identify with the Tea Party is about 20%. So 40% of that would be about 8%. The other factor is how the question is asked. If you ask someone if they identify with the Tea Party, they probably say no. If you ask people what they think about taxes, government spending, NSA listening type of things, etc. lots of folks lean towards the Tea Party without being part of the Tea Party.

Since: Feb 10

Grand Rapids, MI

#47 Oct 2, 2013
Mr Wiggley wrote:
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What I would have preferred would be for you to address my correction to your comment that everything was basically hunky dory after the shutdown.
I'm quite fully aware of the causes and the parties involved, thank you.
I didn't say everything was basically hunky dory after the shutdown, although the world hasn't stopped spinning and the trains and planes are still running, along with most businessess.

My question was how it had impacted you specifically.

Sort of in line with the idea that if my neighbor is out of work it is a recession. If I am out of work it is a depression. Until lots of people are directly impacted, it becomes a problem that is "out there." So if parks are closed but I never go to a park, it has no impact. We as humans can only care about others for a very short period of time.

How specifically has your life been messed up by the shut down? What is specifally different in YOUR LIFE today than last Wednesday?

Since: Feb 10

Grand Rapids, MI

#48 Oct 2, 2013
Mr Wiggley wrote:
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I'd think the least you could do is report your sources and not take credit for someone else's words since you copied it word for word from here...
http://washingtonexaminer.com/obamacare-is-th...
I did post the link. See post 28.

Since: Feb 10

Grand Rapids, MI

#49 Oct 2, 2013
Mr Wiggley wrote:
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The one that the House proposed on Monday. The House passed a Continuing Resolution that would have kept the gov't open with had two amendments that I believe the public would also support.
One would have delayed the "individual" mandate for a year. This would be directly in line with the special favor given to big business. Why give special favor to big business?? Answer...big money.
The second would have killed Obama's illegal over-ride giving Congress and it's staff special treatment in the exchanges.
Had the gutless Democrap Senate passed it we would not be where we are today. I believe at least 9 Democrats in the House also supported this action.
Your thoughts?
Agree. The other compromise would be full steam ahead. Fund it fully, no one gets any waivers, no delay for business, small or large. No delay for anyone or anything, no exceptions for anyone or anything. Both sides get to find out who is right, that this is a big mess or a great thing.

Since: Feb 10

Grand Rapids, MI

#50 Oct 2, 2013
Mr Wiggley wrote:
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Hopefully you will address both of my responses...
Another thought here...another "compromise" would be the keeping of the promise Obama made...you will be able to keep your present insurance...so I say...Obama, make it so...stand on big business and make them follow your claim.
That one is harder to accomplish because the ACA would have to be changed drastically to make the costs work. When the law said that people couldn't be charged significantly different based on age, gender, medical condition, etc. economically that screwed things up and pretty much made it impossible for anyone to keep their same insurance.

Unfortunately, business and math aren't strong points for the left. They think that folks will just ignore basic ideas like supply and demand because their idea is so wonderful.
Bob

Big Rapids, MI

#51 Oct 2, 2013
FLBeaver wrote:
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Bob, the left hasn't cared for the truth in decades, nor has the media so it's pretty silly of you to say "truth" and then come out with a lie. It worked before the internet when one had to go to the library to get the real facts, but in today's world the left only has emotion to work with.
In the recent bills on this, generally 220 out of 232 Republicans support the bills. That is a 95% agreement rate. Your claim that it is the "ultra conservatives" that are pushing this shows your lack of knowledge on the subject. Oh, and 9 Dems also voted in support of this so that really blows your fantasy apart.
Next problem is that the purpose of the House is to represent the will of the people. You and I have a representative and that person's vote represents the will of their district. If "the will of the people" was to go into even more debt and fully fund the ACA, then the people's will would be reflected in the vote of the House.
Here's a decent short article on this:
http://washingtonexaminer.com/obamacare-is-th...
I also find it interesting that when the ACA was passed, the D's didn't want any input from the R's and eventually didn't get any support. For supporters of the ACA to believe that those representatives who opposed it in 2008 and were re-elected or were elected in 2010 and 2012 by their constituents to oppose the ACA would go against their voter's wishes, is beyond stupid.
If the D's didn't want the R's support in 2008, why are they upset when they aren't getting their support in 2013? All those blue voters on the coasts don't vote in Michigan, nor do those in Detroit vote in Grandville. My rep should be voting to represent the desires of his district. Not the desires of those in San Francisco who put Nancy Pelosi in office.
As the President said, elections have consequences. And that includes all of the elections in 2012 that gave the R's the majority of the House.
From the article I linked: "By the will of the people and the law of the land,(the ACA) should have died with Scott Brown’s election, but the corpse was propped up and pushed through on a loophole, and has been a zombie law of sorts ever since.
It remains half-alive, not quite dead but not living, either; never accepted by most of the country, its laws not enforced by more than half of the governors, half of its deadlines unmet."
"Next problem is that the purpose of the House is to represent the will of the people."

So what do you think the two Senators do? I voted for both, and they both represent the way I feel on this issue.

Looks like my two against your one is another problem!

“Selected Marksman”

Since: Aug 08

Northern Virginia

#52 Oct 2, 2013
FLBeaver wrote:
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I did post the link. See post 28.
Your credibility is sinking fast. You made no mention that the data posted was from post 28 until I called you out on it.
It would have been much more admirable of you to admit I am right and either say you forgot or failed to mention your source.
Your actions speak volumes about your charactor. It's OK to admit you made a mistake...I'm a forgiving person.
Take your pick...

“Selected Marksman”

Since: Aug 08

Northern Virginia

#53 Oct 2, 2013
FLBeaver wrote:
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Agree. The other compromise would be full steam ahead. Fund it fully, no one gets any waivers, no delay for business, small or large. No delay for anyone or anything, no exceptions for anyone or anything. Both sides get to find out who is right, that this is a big mess or a great thing.
I fully agree here...I sometimes think the republicans are afraid it might just work and all the negative BS they have been spewing will serve to hurt them.
On the other hand, if it doesn't work they would be ratified and have a strong arguement to defund and repeal the law overall.

“Selected Marksman”

Since: Aug 08

Northern Virginia

#54 Oct 2, 2013
FLBeaver wrote:
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That one is harder to accomplish because the ACA would have to be changed drastically to make the costs work. When the law said that people couldn't be charged significantly different based on age, gender, medical condition, etc. economically that screwed things up and pretty much made it impossible for anyone to keep their same insurance.
Unfortunately, business and math aren't strong points for the left. They think that folks will just ignore basic ideas like supply and demand because their idea is so wonderful.
I agree here also...unfortunately, Obama clearly stated that folks would be able and allowed to keep their current insurance. Lots of people bought into the concept because of his assurance of this believing that the gov't would not allow what we are already seeing happeining...UPS is only one example...

“Lost my mind”

Since: Apr 07

be back later

#55 Oct 2, 2013
Mr Wiggley wrote:
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I agree here also...unfortunately, Obama clearly stated that folks would be able and allowed to keep their current insurance. Lots of people bought into the concept because of his assurance of this believing that the gov't would not allow what we are already seeing happeining...UPS is only one example...
Hi Wiggley! Hope all is well with you.

It's not just UPS. We have one more year on our current plan and then the carrier itself is forced to discontinue it. I received my notice from my carrier last week. Why is this? Because if I met certain requirements, I didn't have to have a deductible and out of pocket costs. Guess we can't have that now can we??
vox veritatis

Grand Rapids, MI

#56 Oct 2, 2013
Bob wrote:
So what do you think the two Senators do? I voted for both, and they both represent the way I feel on this issue.
And the majority of the country disagrees with you...so...they are NOT representing the will of the people.
Gawd, you are a narcissistic piece of work there, tacobob
pipedream

Grand Blanc, MI

#57 Oct 2, 2013
Mr Wiggley wrote:
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I agree here also...unfortunately, Obama clearly stated that folks would be able and allowed to keep their current insurance. Lots of people bought into the concept because of his assurance of this believing that the gov't would not allow what we are already seeing happeining...UPS is only one example...
Neither ACA nor Obama has anything to do with insurance coverage UPS offers its employees or their spouses. UPS does what it wants to do and what it thinks it can get away with. Go bark up another tree and howl at the moon Wiggley. You're not even close on this one.

Guess you'd like more govt. intervention in what private companies do to their employees?
pipedream

Grand Blanc, MI

#58 Oct 2, 2013
More T-bagger spin, scare tactics, lies and B.S. by the right wing extreme Bull $hit machine.

Ted Cruz says policy change by UPS left employees’ spouses “without health insurance” F A L S E

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/state...

Wiggley why don't you get your facts straight before you open your big trap?
Really

Wyoming, MI

#59 Oct 2, 2013
pipedream wrote:
Hey Who why don't you just pack up your miserable fat a$$ and leave? I'll bet you could start your own website and ask for donations and within 4 hrs you'll have air fare to where ever you want to go.
You don't own anything, or have a job to worry about, so relocating will be easy for you.
You spend so much time ASSuming stuff about other people, how on earth do you have time to keep Mommy happy there pipester???? for someone who thinks they know so much, you are so, what's that word I rarely use? Oh yeah, stupid.
Really

Wyoming, MI

#60 Oct 2, 2013
pipedream wrote:
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Neither ACA nor Obama has anything to do with insurance coverage UPS offers its employees or their spouses. UPS does what it wants to do and what it thinks it can get away with. Go bark up another tree and howl at the moon Wiggley. You're not even close on this one.
Guess you'd like more govt. intervention in what private companies do to their employees?
IF you were employed, you would know that YOU are the one spewing. Your ignorance is displayed for all to see. One of the provisions of the ACA is all the new taxes that businesses will have to pay to cover the expense of ACA. Those taxes, in some instances, can equal or exceed $500,000 (since you are stupid, that's half a million). Now, do you honestly believe that the government will use that money to fund the ACA? If you do, it's no wonder you are an Obama voter. You are one of the ones they treat like a mushroom..they keep you in the dark and feed you horse dung. And IF you were employed, your employer would be required to tell you what your options are. Guess you didn't know that was in the ACA either did you there pipester? Did you also know that the fine is $95.00 per adult in your family OR 1% of your income, whichever is GREATER and the fine for any children is $47.50 per child??? And by the way, ACA doesn't care one whit if you are a democrat, a republican, an independent OR the dreaded tea party member. It is an equal opportunity tax grabber.
pipedream

Grand Blanc, MI

#61 Oct 2, 2013
I am employed, gainfully, and I have great health, dental and vision insurance through my employer. My children will also be covered til they're 27 on my plan. ACA will not affect me. I've done my research.

No one really cares what you think Really. You're another broken record here. Go chase your tail around in circles and howl at the moon.
pipedream

Grand Blanc, MI

#62 Oct 2, 2013
Really wrote:
<quoted text>ACA doesn't care one whit if you are a democrat, a republican, an independent OR the dreaded tea party member. It is an equal opportunity tax grabber.
I'm an Indepedent Really. Always have been and always will be. I've never voted the party line and never will.

Put that in your big mouth and chew on it Really.

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