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Could we have a moment of silence for the impending death of the tea bagger's movement?

The only thing I can't figure out is why they limited their demands to the ACA, when there's all those other evil windmills to tilt at.... Repeal Social Security, Defund Medicare and Medicaid!

They only need to stand their ground for another year so the voters can show their appreciation.

Never Negotiate - Never Give Up!

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Oct 1, 2013
 
I would submit that any incumbant politician from either party needs to be removed in the next election cycle. If that doesn't work, do it again the next election cycle until we re-gain a government of the People, by the People, for the People.
Hopefully the big business money won't be able to keep up buying our congressional representatives.
I would also submit that any sitting lawmaker who is involved in this mess should not be paid until it is resolved...and they WILL NOT get any back-pay.

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Oct 1, 2013
 
Bob wrote:
Could we have a moment of silence for the impending death of the tea bagger's movement?
The only thing I can't figure out is why they limited their demands to the ACA, when there's all those other evil windmills to tilt at.... Repeal Social Security, Defund Medicare and Medicaid!
They only need to stand their ground for another year so the voters can show their appreciation.
Never Negotiate - Never Give Up!
Hmm. I didn't notice the roads were free from traffic. Planes are taking off and landing. Stores are open. Banks, gas stations, etc. all functioning. Hospitals, doctor's offices, are all open.

So how has the shutdown directly impacted you? If this is going to be the death of the "tea baggers" (40% of whom are Democrats), shouldn't folks be complaining that their cars aren't starting, the stores are closed, they can't use their money, and things like that. Ok, I noticed Obama wasn't playing golf today so there is one bad thing that happened, but other than that I'm not seeing anything different today than last week.

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Oct 1, 2013
 
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I would submit that any incumbant politician from either party needs to be removed in the next election cycle. If that doesn't work, do it again the next election cycle until we re-gain a government of the People, by the People, for the People.
Hopefully the big business money won't be able to keep up buying our congressional representatives.
I would also submit that any sitting lawmaker who is involved in this mess should not be paid until it is resolved...and they WILL NOT get any back-pay.
Is your rep voting the way you want them to? Mine is. If you want to fire your rep go right ahead but leave mine alone.

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What?! Panda cam at the zoo has been shut down?! You're right boob, the end of the world is here. How can I go on without my streaming panda camera.

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Oct 1, 2013
 
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Hmm. I didn't notice the roads were free from traffic. Planes are taking off and landing. Stores are open. Banks, gas stations, etc. all functioning. Hospitals, doctor's offices, are all open.
So how has the shutdown directly impacted you? If this is going to be the death of the "tea baggers" (40% of whom are Democrats), shouldn't folks be complaining that their cars aren't starting, the stores are closed, they can't use their money, and things like that. Ok, I noticed Obama wasn't playing golf today so there is one bad thing that happened, but other than that I'm not seeing anything different today than last week.
Actually there are thousands of hard working Americans who are affected by this shutdown. For some simple examples...when we were visiting Shenandoa National Park yesterday the employees of the Visitor Centers were talking about what would happen to them. No job as of today.
We were going to visit the National Air and Space Meuseum today but can't. That's OK...there are alternatives however...all the employees, including the people who work for the food vendors, who are not gov't employees, can not work and will NOT get paid as of today even though your beloved politicians will.
It's wrong...it's just plain wrong.
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Bob wrote:
Could we have a moment of silence for the impending death of the tea bagger's movement?
The only thing I can't figure out is why they limited their demands to the ACA, when there's all those other evil windmills to tilt at.... Repeal Social Security, Defund Medicare and Medicaid!
They only need to stand their ground for another year so the voters can show their appreciation.
Never Negotiate - Never Give Up!
Wow Bob, you certainly have a rosy outlook on the future of the Democratic Party. Do you really think that the Tea Party is dead? Don't you understand that it's not comprised of racists, bigots, or anti-government types? Do you not understand that it was a grass-roots organization who sought out and elected officials who represented their ideals? You did the same thing by electing Obama! The Tea Party is comprised of individuals who believe in limited but effective governance. They do not believe in socialism or an entrenched behemoth sitting in Washington D.C. That's the problem here. Let's forget about the Republicans and the Democrats for a minute. Those names really don't mean anything anymore. What we have today is a situation in which small, traditional federal government is slowly being taken over by the progressive, socialist machine. These are two completely different ideologies and can never be compatible with one another. Now, I don't know if it's your belief that conservatives are just the enemy always and that their predisposition is to attack anything coming from the Dems, or whether you're a card-carrying member of the socialist group. It is true that the Tea Party conservatives are more boisterous and have had a somewhat negative effect on Republican Party as a whole. But that's the point. To effectively wash out the Republicans who, for whatever reason, have lost their way as true conservatives. And I find it funny when I compare that to what has happened to the Democrat Party over the last five years. You guys have been hijacked by radicals of your own in the form of socialists progressives,(those seeking full transformation). These people cannot be allowed to succeed in their endeavors. The goal here is for you guys to weed your garden first, then you won't have to worry about the Tea Party or any other far-right conservative group because one won't be necessary in order to check the far left. A grand detente will only be possible once Obama and Ole' Harry have left the building. On a final note, I will say that if the AHCA fails as predicted by many, you won't see another democrat sitting in the oval office for a generation.

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Is your rep voting the way you want them to? Mine is. If you want to fire your rep go right ahead but leave mine alone.
If your rep is voting the hard line that is causing the current stalemate and shutdown, they need to go...sorry but that's the way it is.
The far right and far left stances are the source of the problem.

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Oct 1, 2013
 
Bob wrote:
Could we have a moment of silence for the impending death of the tea bagger's movement?
The only thing I can't figure out is why they limited their demands to the ACA, when there's all those other evil windmills to tilt at.... Repeal Social Security, Defund Medicare and Medicaid!
They only need to stand their ground for another year so the voters can show their appreciation.
Never Negotiate - Never Give Up!
The one's that screamed loudest, where are all the jobs, just furloughed 825,000 American workers....

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What?! Panda cam at the zoo has been shut down?! You're right boob, the end of the world is here. How can I go on without my streaming panda camera.
What a world what a world. Thinking about it, it would be a great idea to turn off every government operated traffic cam and every light in every government building, and evry government operated non necessary office program sell the suvs and all other government owned vehicle think of the savings in the cost of gasoline oil and filters and the use of GPS oh I could go on and get nit picky, but you all get the picture, maybe ????
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Oct 1, 2013
 
Mr Wiggley wrote:
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If your rep is voting the hard line that is causing the current stalemate and shutdown, they need to go...sorry but that's the way it is.
The far right and far left stances are the source of the problem.
The repub politicians continue to set themselves up for a progressive spin and smackdown. It's true, we conservatives want to see Obamacare repealed, but representing our wishes does not mean futile symbolic gestures that take the focus off the democrats refusal to compromise, and they're divisive tactics - and result in a media frenzy blame game that anyone could predict the repubs would lose.

They'll lose this round and they deserve to. Pick your battles more wisely dammit!

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Actually there are thousands of hard working Americans who are affected by this shutdown. For some simple examples...when we were visiting Shenandoa National Park yesterday the employees of the Visitor Centers were talking about what would happen to them. No job as of today.
We were going to visit the National Air and Space Meuseum today but can't. That's OK...there are alternatives however...all the employees, including the people who work for the food vendors, who are not gov't employees, can not work and will NOT get paid as of today even though your beloved politicians will.
It's wrong...it's just plain wrong.


First, the House put forth bills to fully fund the government and keep the parks open. It wasn't the House that voted to close Shenandoa National Park, the Air & Space Museum and others. That is on the Senate. That is the way our system is set up.

Second, the liberals/left/Dems don't believe in the ripple effect of their actions. So in the world of the left, all these people will get their money (except for the evil owners who deserve to loss money).

Third, I do agree that non of the folks in the House, Senate, White House, etc. should get paid. On that we do agree on.

I would love to hear your solution that would satisfy both sides and not just produce a win-lose scenario like Obama/Reid are pushing.

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If your rep is voting the hard line that is causing the current stalemate and shutdown, they need to go...sorry but that's the way it is.
The far right and far left stances are the source of the problem.
The most famous compromise was the Missouri Compromise which extended slavery for another 40 years. It wasn't until the far right under Lincoln and the far left under Davis decided the time for compromise was over. Had they continued to compromise, the world would be a very different place.

In my real world, compromise means win-win. In the political world it seems to be either lose-lose or win-lose.

So, take a shot. What would be a compromise that would be a win for both sides?
Really

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<quoted text> The one's that screamed loudest, where are all the jobs, just furloughed 825,000 American workers....
Just heard this on the news "Blackmail is just not acceptable in the legislative process." THAT applies to both sides, Blue, not just your favorite targets. Of course, I don't and never really have expected you to see that. And by the way? My representative is voting the way I asked him to vote.
Really

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Go Blue Forever wrote:
<quoted text> The one's that screamed loudest, where are all the jobs, just furloughed 825,000 American workers....
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/n ews/concoughlin/100238900/us-g overnment-shutdown-barack-obam a-is-presiding-over-the-end-of -americas-superpower-status/?f b Here's a link for you Blue...and it is from the UK, not Fox News or the U.S.
Zed

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Oct 1, 2013
 
This won't have any impact on local congressional elections but could have a huge impact on the presidential race in a few years. Anyone who stood behind this with any amount of enthusiasm will be crushed by the democrats. That's why Paul Ryan and some others are suddenly quiet and have all but steered away from the subject. These little pockets where conservatives rule (west Michigan) do not represent the country as a whole. They think they do but are far from it. When you have to run from your record on a national stage you don't exactly have your hand on the pulse of America. 800,000 + Americans and their families now face an uncertain future and one less paycheck all so a bunch of children with a grudge can feel like they've made some sort of difference.
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Oct 1, 2013
 
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This won't have any impact on local congressional elections but could have a huge impact on the presidential race in a few years. Anyone who stood behind this with any amount of enthusiasm will be crushed by the democrats. That's why Paul Ryan and some others are suddenly quiet and have all but steered away from the subject. These little pockets where conservatives rule (west Michigan) do not represent the country as a whole. They think they do but are far from it. When you have to run from your record on a national stage you don't exactly have your hand on the pulse of America. 800,000 + Americans and their families now face an uncertain future and one less paycheck all so a bunch of children with a grudge can feel like they've made some sort of difference.
And the Senators and President who said "I don't negotiate" are not in any way responsible for the mess we are in??? Are you really that foolish as to think it is only one side that has caused these problems? No wonder Obama got elected twice...he's correct in his assessment of the American public.

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Oct 1, 2013
 
Bob wrote:
Never Negotiate - Never Give Up!
"Never Negotiate" ???
That's most of the problem right there.
Not much will ever get done with that attitude.
Looks like our democratic controlled senate has the same attitude.
Hope that "Never Negotiate" attitude works well for them next November.

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Oct 1, 2013
 
Zed wrote:
This won't have any impact on local congressional elections but could have a huge impact on the presidential race in a few years. Anyone who stood behind this with any amount of enthusiasm will be crushed by the democrats. That's why Paul Ryan and some others are suddenly quiet and have all but steered away from the subject. These little pockets where conservatives rule (west Michigan) do not represent the country as a whole. They think they do but are far from it. When you have to run from your record on a national stage you don't exactly have your hand on the pulse of America. 800,000 + Americans and their families now face an uncertain future and one less paycheck all so a bunch of children with a grudge can feel like they've made some sort of difference.
I disagree, the democrats in the senate will have a lot of explaining to do to their constituents back home.
As far as the next presidential election goes, I think people will remember that it was the democratic controlled senate, and Obama that shut the government down.
Where were they this past weekend?
Obama played golf all weekend, and the senate took it off, while the republicans in the house were at their jobs working.
Those 800,000 plus Americans you speak of, can blame Obama and his senate for their plight.
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Zed wrote:
This won't have any impact on local congressional elections but could have a huge impact on the presidential race in a few years. Anyone who stood behind this with any amount of enthusiasm will be crushed by the democrats. That's why Paul Ryan and some others are suddenly quiet and have all but steered away from the subject. These little pockets where conservatives rule (west Michigan) do not represent the country as a whole. They think they do but are far from it. When you have to run from your record on a national stage you don't exactly have your hand on the pulse of America. 800,000 + Americans and their families now face an uncertain future and one less paycheck all so a bunch of children with a grudge can feel like they've made some sort of difference.
Well, if Obamacare ends up being a swell thing you may be right. If it ends up being the nightmare that is predicted, well then the Democrats are f--ked for good.

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