Harry Reid Exempts His Staff From Oba...
pipedream

Grand Blanc, MI

#83 Dec 9, 2013
Federal Employees Health Benefits Program: Members of Congress and Congressional Staff

https://www.federalregister.gov/articles/2013...
Oneal

Grand Rapids, MI

#84 Dec 9, 2013
Mr Wiggley wrote:
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Excellent...I have to wonder where he got his "polls" data. He certainly, once again, didn't provide any links.
Oh well...status quo...
Truth is you don't need polls to figure this one out. Common sense alone should tell you young people will cast a vote for the cool guy with all the slick promises when it doesn't cost them anything. Getting them to fork over several hundred a month for health insurance is a completely different story.
"Everything for the cause" might be some fringe progressive radical's mantra, but a college grad who's looking for a job, or one of the millions of part-timers Obama is claiming as job success, and that free support is as dead as Obama's approval ratings.
pipedream

Grand Blanc, MI

#85 Dec 9, 2013
College grads looking for jobs and millions of part-timers will most likely be exempt based on income/hardship.

“Peace Love”

Since: Aug 08

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#86 Dec 9, 2013
vox veritatis wrote:
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Fair is fair, pippybob...if you can use a far left blog as a source, you have nothing to stand on in criticizing anyone else's sources.
Wiggley tips his hat...Thank You Vox...
Oneal

Grand Rapids, MI

#87 Dec 9, 2013
pipedream wrote:
College grads looking for jobs and millions of part-timers will most likely be exempt based on income/hardship.
So a rather large portion of young people, the group this entire boondoggle relies on to be self-sufficient, will be exempted. And according to Huffpo among others, 75% of the rest will opt to just pay the fine as opposed to sign up. That leaves what exactly to offset the gigantic needs of the aging population?

Brilliant idea! LOL

“Peace Love”

Since: Aug 08

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#88 Dec 9, 2013
The_Box wrote:
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Yes, to show you how wrong your "special treatment" claim was.
Bobby isn't getting "special treatment" compared to Timmy when he gets to stay up past 8 because Timmy was already staying up past 8.
Wrong...if Bobby's bedtime is 8:00 there is probably a reason for it...just as Timmy's is 9:00. Given the Bobby gets to stay up past 8:00 it would be reasonable for Timmy to then lobby to stay up past 9:00 the same amount of time. If Timmy does not get an equal amout of time Bobby is getting special treatment.
Your percentage ratio is one to one. Given the number of staffers on a percentage basis against the overall numbers of people required to sign up for obamacare who won't be able to because of the crappy website the percentage number is much different.
If such a small group of citizens lobbied for more time because of the same reasons (percentage wise) they would probably not be offered the same special treatment.
Even as an example...the word came out that people were having their policies canceled. Only until it reached into the millions did obama react...and then it was already too late. Even though it was predicted by the media prior to it happening.
Your analogy sucked...

“Peace Love”

Since: Aug 08

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#89 Dec 9, 2013
Oneal wrote:
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So a rather large portion of young people, the group this entire boondoggle relies on to be self-sufficient, will be exempted. And according to Huffpo among others, 75% of the rest will opt to just pay the fine as opposed to sign up. That leaves what exactly to offset the gigantic needs of the aging population?
Brilliant idea! LOL
Can you say...higher taxes and higher cost for health insurance??
This whole thing is headed down a very dark path...
pipedream

Grand Blanc, MI

#90 Dec 9, 2013
who were you talking about? the 27-34 year olds or the 18-26 year olds? I was talking about the 18-26 (college grads, part time minimum wage window washer,dollar store, food industry types). That age group you're in Onutso.
pipedream

Grand Blanc, MI

#91 Dec 9, 2013
Mr Wiggley wrote:
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Can you say...higher taxes and higher cost for health insurance??
This whole thing is headed down a very dark path...
That's only if you keep going back to suck the Washington Examiner's ass. If you distrust government so much you should have said the same the guy who was in there for 8 years before the black guy came along. Except for the ACA possibly, Obama's policies are not far removed than the other guy's. The difference is I think the other guy was more dangerous, devious and corrupt.
Really

Grandville, MI

#92 Dec 9, 2013
Some people will never, ever get it. In the first place, the 18-26 year olds don't HAVE to buy the ACA because they are on Mommy and Daddy's insurance per the law. Th 27-34 year olds are going to opt out and pay the fine because they don't see the need for all the crap that the ACA demands they have and the hoops they have to jump through. And once again, the progessives have an epic failure on their hands because they totally misjudged the American people, AGAIN!
Dr X

Rochester, MI

#93 Dec 9, 2013
The_Box wrote:
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Priority Health. 30 year old. Grand Rapids, MI. No tobacco.
Plans range from $214 -$390.
You lied.
Wrong! You obviously can't read fine print. The smaller the monthly premium, the larger the deductible and copay. Don't sit there and tell me I lied. I shopped Priority because that's what I had before my old plan got terminated. My quote for my age (not 30) was far more than $390, in fact, it was $134 per month more than my previous plan. You obviously lack detective skills, so I will be very clear and to the point; there is NO WAY you can have a $390/mo premium unless you have a sky-high deductible while having to include items to your coverage that one does not need like maternity care, mental illness, etc. What you're telling me is that my plan can cost half of what it did while covering the extras that I don't need while at the same time keeping my deductibles and co-pays at the same level. Is that what your telling me? Buddy, you're either the dullest knife in the drawer or you have been duped to the Nth degree! By the way, there is a $10,000 deductible as part of one plan offered by Priority. My guess is that you didn't follow the full quote procedure. Bottom line here Keynesian Boy is that money doesn't grow on trees.
Dr X

Rochester, MI

#94 Dec 9, 2013
pipedream wrote:
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Bottom line: Dr X and his mother Really too stupid to navigate the website.
One of these days you're going to make the mistake of opening your mouth to the wrong person. That won't be a good day for you pipesmoker.
pipedream

Grand Blanc, MI

#95 Dec 9, 2013
Dr X wrote:
<quoted text> Bottom line here Keynesian Boy is that money doesn't grow on trees.
True but that shouldn't stop you from using them to get round, swinging from tree to tree. Cheers
Oneal

Grand Rapids, MI

#96 Dec 10, 2013
pipedream wrote:
who were you talking about? the 27-34 year olds or the 18-26 year olds? I was talking about the 18-26 (college grads, part time minimum wage window washer,dollar store, food industry types). That age group you're in Onutso.
18-26 year olds can't possibly afford substantially increased health care costs or are already allowed to stay on their mommy's insurance if it's available, so you have to consider 27-34 year olds. A growing number of that age group are still in college or working part time jobs, if they're working at all (see OWS). They're also mostly healthy and in far less need for health care, so you have to assume a percentage of that age group will simply opt to pay the fine instead of willingly foot the bill for everyone else. Sprained ankles and rotator cuff surgeries aren't enough to compel young healthy people to pay upwards of 200% more (sometimes more depending on where you get your stats) in health care costs out of their paychecks while others are paying far less or nothing at all. That has to make sense even to you.

No corporate business model required to be self-sustaining would even attempt to run on such a non-sensical idea of relying on people who least need a product to willingly pay the majority of the cost of it.
Oneal

Grand Rapids, MI

#97 Dec 10, 2013
Really wrote:
Some people will never, ever get it. In the first place, the 18-26 year olds don't HAVE to buy the ACA because they are on Mommy and Daddy's insurance per the law. Th 27-34 year olds are going to opt out and pay the fine because they don't see the need for all the crap that the ACA demands they have and the hoops they have to jump through. And once again, the progessives have an epic failure on their hands because they totally misjudged the American people, AGAIN!
Precisely. This is nothing but a means to an end, the end being the progressives' much-desired dreams of forcing Single-Payer down an unwilling America's throat by any means necessary. It's a risk they're willing to take by passing a predictably flawed law because they're radicals.
vox veritatis

Grand Rapids, MI

#98 Dec 10, 2013
pipedream wrote:
who were you talking about? the 27-34 year olds or the 18-26 year olds? I was talking about the 18-26 (college grads, part time minimum wage window washer,dollar store, food industry types). That age group you're in Onutso.
Moron...people in that age group are still mandated to be on their parent's policies.

Since: Dec 11

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#99 Dec 10, 2013
vox veritatis wrote:
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Other than screening for testicular cancer (which you can do yourself, by the way) and a tetanus shot once in 10 years (sooner if you happen to step on something rusty), most preventive care is a waste of money for people that age.
They can also get preventative care for sexual transmitted disease, mental health issues, substance abuse issues, and attempt to nip things like health issues due to obesity in the bud.

http://archpedi.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx...

Since: Dec 11

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#100 Dec 10, 2013
vox veritatis wrote:
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I should also add that those figures are for men AND women in that age demographic. So much for that theory.
Young women go to the doctor on average less than once a year?

Since: Dec 11

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#101 Dec 10, 2013
Mr Wiggley wrote:
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Wrong...if Bobby's bedtime is 8:00 there is probably a reason for it...just as Timmy's is 9:00.
Oh god, are you kidding me? You're adding clauses to an analogy that you didn't even make.
Mr Wiggley wrote:
Given the Bobby gets to stay up past 8:00 it would be reasonable for Timmy to then lobby to stay up past 9:00 the same amount of time. If Timmy does not get an equal amout of time Bobby is getting special treatment.
Bobby gets special treatment if he has the SAME bedtime as Timmy? That's one amazing definition of special treatment.

Since: Dec 11

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#102 Dec 10, 2013
Dr X wrote:
<quoted text>Wrong! You obviously can't read fine print. The smaller the monthly premium, the larger the deductible and copay.
Stop trying to change the subject.

Your claim was that you couldn't find anything under $600. That was patently false.
Dr X wrote:
I shopped Priority because that's what I had before my old plan got terminated. My quote for my age (not 30) was far more than $390, in fact, it was $134 per month more than my previous plan.
I just went to Priority's website and found quotes for a SEVENTY year old. Even at age 70, there were plans under $600. And we were talking about 27-34 year olds.

You LIED.
Dr X wrote:
You obviously lack detective skills, so I will be very clear and to the point;
I'd say YOU lack detective skills because you're somehow unable to find a decent rate for yourself.
Dr X wrote:
there is NO WAY you can have a $390/mo premium unless you have a sky-high deductible
On the Priority website, there is a $263 premium /$2000 deductible plan I can get. There is also a $305 premium /$1000 deductible plan. Those aren't sky-high deductibles. They're quite low.
Dr X wrote:
By the way, there is a $10,000 deductible as part of one plan offered by Priority. My guess is that you didn't follow the full quote procedure.
Oh, is there an extra step in the website where they say "Forget those numbers you just saw. Here are some way worse ones that are totally illegal"?

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