Harry Reid Exempts His Staff From Oba...
Dr X

Rochester, MI

#21 Dec 5, 2013
Why argue about Reid anyways? He's dushbag Senate scum. People are arguing over the little things like who's exempt and the website being usable when, in reality, it's the entire foundation of the AHCA that's the problem. Does anyone really think that all those 27-34 year-olds are going to run out and spend $700,$800 or $1000/mo on healthcare? Why should they help foot the bill for the older generation or sicker individuals? These people belong to a demographic that is more likely to boost the economy than any other and yet they're being asked to foot the bill for others. Obama and the other progressives are so stupid they can't even get redistribution right! If Obama can't get the 40% of younger individuals to sign up on the exchange then the system will collapse leaving the tattered remains of the Democratic Party. The progressives will have spent 80 years for nothing. Good!
Oneal

Grand Rapids, MI

#22 Dec 5, 2013
The_Box wrote:
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What thread are you in? I said right at the start of the thread that he lied.
That has nothing to do with your misunderstanding about Obamacare and how it applies to Congressional staff members.
Then go grill the Yahoo writer who authored the article from where the title came, for he clearly misunderstood whatever it is you're so riled about too. My interest is pointing out yet another lie and the glaring hypocrisy by one of the main champions of this mess, not to get into an argument about how you think Obamacare applies to anyone.

Since you agree Harry Reid lied then you've addressed the point I was making.

Since: Mar 09

Grandville, MI

#23 Dec 5, 2013
Mr Wiggley wrote:
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Yep, sure does.
Have you had that snowmobile out yet?
Not yet. No snow here yet. We had about an inch or so, but it melted. It was 59 degrees here yesterday. It's cold now, supposed to get some snow this weekend, and next week! Yee Haa.......

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#26 Dec 6, 2013
Dr X wrote:
Does anyone really think that all those 27-34 year-olds are going to run out and spend $700,$800 or $1000/mo on healthcare?
What 27-34 year olds are going to be spending that much? I fit in that demographic and the plans for me range from $200-$350/month. The $350 is for the *highest end plan* AND I don't qualify for any subsidies.
pipedream

Grand Blanc, MI

#27 Dec 6, 2013
Mr Wiggley wrote:
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Yep, sure does.
Its in the LAW stupid. What part of that don't you understand? The entire issue of the ACA as relates to Congress and their staffers has been addressed previously on these boards ad nauseum. Read the LAW, educate yourself and quit playing your stupid card.
Batch 37 Pain Is Good

Grand Blanc, MI

#28 Dec 6, 2013
pipedream wrote:
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Its in the LAW stupid. What part of that don't you understand? The entire issue of the ACA as relates to Congress and their staffers has been addressed previously on these boards ad nauseum. Read the LAW, educate yourself and quit playing your stupid card.
Does that mean they can exempt themselves from stealing tax dollars from the Congressional Bank and Post Office? Everybody does it..... Wait that has already been done by the Greedy Dems.... The point is what is moral and right..... All laws should be followed by all in this Country...... Come on Nov 2014
pipedream

Grand Blanc, MI

#29 Dec 6, 2013
Mr Wiggley wrote:
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I think you just contradicted yourself...
I think you're big mouth keeps getting in the way. Read the LAW wiggles. After that choose one of the 5 options I told you you have as relates to ACA and then -- in case you didn't get the memo from Boy -- I'll tell you AGAIN. Move your trailer and S T F U!
Dr X

Rochester, MI

#30 Dec 6, 2013
The_Box wrote:
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What 27-34 year olds are going to be spending that much? I fit in that demographic and the plans for me range from $200-$350/month. The $350 is for the *highest end plan* AND I don't qualify for any subsidies.
I don't that for a second. Unless you have a $10,000 deductible and near 50% co-pays, you will certainly be looking at a much high monthly premium than the $200-$350 range. If you get your healthcare through your employer then you might pay $350/mo while your employer covers the other portion. But if you're like me, a self-employed individual who has to pay his own way, then there is no way you're getting a premium under $600. NO WAY! I've priced out the Bronze, Gold, and Platinum plans with ten different carriers and not once did I see a premium falling under $600. And remember, your age group IS the demographic that IS supposed to be paying the extra monies to fill the coffers of the insurance industries so that those "monies" then can be payed out for care of the older, less fortunate ones for care. Did you have healthcare before the AFCA? If you did, did you loose your plan or did you get to keep your plan as is? Trick is, you have to think about all of this from a business perspective with general accounting principals. The sheets don't balance at the premiums you're talking about. At or around $600 per individual at the minimum, they can provided that ALL 27-34 year-olds are covered nationally either through their employer or paying themselves. Once the coffers fill, then you will see a price index drop thus a monthly premium drop which will follow provided there isn't a physician shortage of some sort.
Dr X

Rochester, MI

#31 Dec 6, 2013
Hey, where did the "believe" go? That was weird.
Batch 37 Pain Is Good

Grand Blanc, MI

#32 Dec 6, 2013
pipedream wrote:
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I think you're big mouth keeps getting in the way. Read the LAW wiggles. After that choose one of the 5 options I told you you have as relates to ACA and then -- in case you didn't get the memo from Boy -- I'll tell you AGAIN. Move your trailer and S T F U!
You should apply to MSNBC...... You would fit right in intellectually.....

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#33 Dec 6, 2013
Dr X wrote:
<quoted text>I don't that for a second. Unless you have a $10,000 deductible and near 50% co-pays, you will certainly be looking at a much high monthly premium than the $200-$350 range.
I'm calling BS.

A $10000 deductible is impossible. The out-of-pocket MAX on plans after the ACA is $6350.

And the lowest level of plan on the exchanges is Bronze, which pays 60% of medical expenses.
Dr X wrote:
If you get your healthcare through your employer then you might pay $350/mo while your employer covers the other portion. But if you're like me, a self-employed individual who has to pay his own way, then there is no way you're getting a premium under $600. NO WAY!
Tell me what state you're in and I bet you I can find you one.
Dr X wrote:
Did you have healthcare before the AFCA? If you did, did you loose your plan or did you get to keep your plan as is?
My individual plan was discontinued, and yes, it sucks. I am having to pay more due to the ACA. I'm not happy about it.

But I can express my displeasure with some of the results of the ACA without making things up about $1000 premiums.
Dr X

Rochester, MI

#34 Dec 6, 2013
The_Box wrote:
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I'm calling BS.
A $10000 deductible is impossible. The out-of-pocket MAX on plans after the ACA is $6350.
And the lowest level of plan on the exchanges is Bronze, which pays 60% of medical expenses.
<quoted text>
Tell me what state you're in and I bet you I can find you one.
<quoted text>
My individual plan was discontinued, and yes, it sucks. I am having to pay more due to the ACA. I'm not happy about it.
But I can express my displeasure with some of the results of the ACA without making things up about $1000 premiums.
Michigan and yes, there are $10,000 deductibles for some plans. This is the problem with the AHCA as the deductibles, co_pays and monthly premiums are all over the map. Priority Health of Michigan PPO's have deductibles from $1600-$10000. Check the site yourself. They're not the only ones.

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#35 Dec 7, 2013
Dr X wrote:
<quoted text>Michigan and yes, there are $10,000 deductibles for some plans. This is the problem with the AHCA as the deductibles, co_pays and monthly premiums are all over the map. Priority Health of Michigan PPO's have deductibles from $1600-$10000. Check the site yourself. They're not the only ones.
In Michigan, the average premium rate for a Platinum plan (the highest) is $288. The average premium for a Bronze plan is $208.

You said you couldn't find anything under $600. You lied.

None of those plans have a $10,000 deductible because that would be over the legal maximum. You lied.
Really

Grandville, MI

#36 Dec 7, 2013
The_Box wrote:
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In Michigan, the average premium rate for a Platinum plan (the highest) is $288. The average premium for a Bronze plan is $208.
You said you couldn't find anything under $600. You lied.
None of those plans have a $10,000 deductible because that would be over the legal maximum. You lied.
Did you look at Priority Health's website? That is the website he quoted. You are real quick to call everyone a liar without putting up your own proof. Just sayin'

“SPEBSQSA”

Since: Aug 08

Maryland

#37 Dec 7, 2013
The ever changing and evolving history of obamacare...this is one of the best articles I've read yet...the nail is in the coffin...
http://washingtonexaminer.com/obama-has-shown...
Really

Grandville, MI

#38 Dec 7, 2013
Mr Wiggley wrote:
The ever changing and evolving history of obamacare...this is one of the best articles I've read yet...the nail is in the coffin...
http://washingtonexaminer.com/obama-has-shown...
Thank you Wiggley. That was a well written article and will be sure to cause heads to explode and massive whining to take place.
vox veritatis

Grand Rapids, MI

#39 Dec 7, 2013
The_Box wrote:
I'm calling BS.
A $10000 deductible is impossible. The out-of-pocket MAX on plans after the ACA is $6350.
That would be per person, not per family. The out of pocket max per family is $12,700. That's on top of the premiums you pay. So...a family could still wind up bankrupt between the premiums and the out of pocket.
Yeah...that really helped. Not.
Dr X

Rochester, MI

#40 Dec 7, 2013
The_Box wrote:
<quoted text>
In Michigan, the average premium rate for a Platinum plan (the highest) is $288. The average premium for a Bronze plan is $208.
You said you couldn't find anything under $600. You lied.
None of those plans have a $10,000 deductible because that would be over the legal maximum. You lied.
Did you visit the site jerkoff?

“SPEBSQSA”

Since: Aug 08

Maryland

#41 Dec 8, 2013
Oneal

Grand Rapids, MI

#42 Dec 9, 2013
Mr Wiggley wrote:
[Small Business Majority, a pro-Obamacare advocacy group that helped organize a Dec. 3 White House promotional event, is substantially funded by a major health insurance firm that stands to profit from the federal program...]

Any time some unheard of group pretends to represent the "majority" you can bet a progressive is behind it.

The lack of transparency in this administration is beyond hypocritical, yet I'm sure the usual progressive line-toers have no problem with this kind of corruption ... as long as it benefits democrats of course. If the political brand were on the other foot they'd be throwing a tantrum and demanding impeachment processes begin.

I'm hoping the independents are at least looking at this with an open mind, because it's obvious the democrat voters at this point are either so ignorant they'll vote for anything with a D and then look away, or they're so radicalized this form of corruption-for-the-cause is what they support.

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