United States v. Kebodeaux

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Dr X

Byron Center, MI

#1 Apr 23, 2013
I'm not going to comment on this one. I just want you guys and gals to read it and decide which country you "think" you're living in.

http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/constitu...
Batch 37 Pain Is Good

Farmington, MI

#2 Apr 23, 2013
Dr X wrote:
I'm not going to comment on this one. I just want you guys and gals to read it and decide which country you "think" you're living in.
http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/constitu...
This will not end well for the federal govt......

“Where I came from”

Since: Jan 09

the universe

#3 Apr 23, 2013
MFers that is all these people want is power and we elect them, God save us....
Bob

Big Rapids, MI

#4 Apr 24, 2013
You just have to wonder what Bill O'Rielly, as the #1 defender of Jessica's Law, would think of his fellow right wing lunatics in all of this.

Maybe the majority of home school teachers told their students that sex with a 15 year old girl is okay if you convince the victim that it's not legitimate rape!
Peter K Sour

Baden, PA

#5 Apr 24, 2013
“Necessary and Proper”
These words sound just fine, don’t they?
After all, after all, they’re in the Constitution – yes, siree!
But, to me, they’re tumultuously frightening, especially in the hands of Big Government.
A key case, NOW being argued at the Supreme Court, involves the Feds applying a law 7 years retroactively, based on this person’s ‘ties’ to the Federal Government.
And, even better, the case involves SEX!
Isn't this a new great, independent realm of federal power?
Will you be ‘Retroactived’?
The case at point involves a ’bad man’ who did a terrible thing in 1999.
This member of the Air Force was convicted by a Military Tribunal, sentenced, imprisoned and released with NO FURTHER REQUIREMENTS.
Yet, the Feds would apply a law 7 years retro.-to this man, based on his former military service –therefore, his ties to the Government. Ex-Post-Fact 'splained
This, despite the Constitution’s EXPRESS PROHIBITION: Ex post facto laws are expressly forbidden by the United States Constitution in Article 1, Section 9, Clause 3.
WHY DO I, particularly, CARE:
Example:Register ALL Guns!(Psst: Retroactively)
1. I served in the Navy (50+years ago), thereby producing one tie to the Government; also I confess that I receive Social Security.
2. Surely, if that law stands, I can be ‘RETROACTIVED’ by some new Power Grab- like guns, or not sharing….
***
Some needed detail:
The case: United States v. Anthony James Kebodeaux,
In 2006 SORNA was made law and The White House would AND has applied this retroactively.(Federal Sex Offender Registration and Notification Act)
In 1999, 21-year-old Anthony Kebodeaux was convicted of having consensual sex with a 15-year-old girl and sentenced to 3 months in prison. After serving his sentence, Kebodeaux was released from federal custody, free from any post-release parole or probation requirements, and was no longer a member of the military. Essentially, Kebodeaux was a free man with no further ties to the federal government that would justify his continued and indefinite supervision.
Can the United States use the Constitution’s “Necessary and Proper” Clause to, even retroactively, assert perpetual jurisdiction over American citizens and control their lives from “cradle to grave?”
. Article 1, Section 8 of the United States Constitution grants Congress the power to regulate interstate commerce. At the time of his arrest, federal authorities claimed they had the right to override Texas authorities because it was “necessary and proper” in order to protect the citizens of the United States.
The clause gives Congress the power “To make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the foregoing powers, and all other powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States.”
The Cato Institute, a public policy research organization, is dedicated to the principles of individual liberty, limited government, free markets and peace.
There is more at stake here than the fate of this one malefactor.
The problem, says Cato, is that there are huge numbers of people who have ties to federal jurisdiction which are just as “great” or greater than Kebodeaux’s.
If allowed to stand, this “unconstrained federal authority to register, regulate, and detain all of these persons clearly constitutes a new great and independent realm of federal power.”

“Where I came from”

Since: Jan 09

the universe

#6 Apr 24, 2013
Peter K Sour wrote:
“Necessary and Proper”
These words sound just fine, don’t they?
After all, after all, they’re in the Constitution – yes, siree!
But, to me, they’re tumultuously frightening, especially in the hands of Big Government.
A key case, NOW being argued at the Supreme Court, involves the Feds applying a law 7 years retroactively, based on this person’s ‘ties’ to the Federal Government.
And, even better, the case involves SEX!
Isn't this a new great, independent realm of federal power?
Will you be ‘Retroactived’?
The case at point involves a ’bad man’ who did a terrible thing in 1999.
This member of the Air Force was convicted by a Military Tribunal, sentenced, imprisoned and released with NO FURTHER REQUIREMENTS.
Yet, the Feds would apply a law 7 years retro.-to this man, based on his former military service –therefore, his ties to the Government. Ex-Post-Fact 'splained
This, despite the Constitution’s EXPRESS PROHIBITION: Ex post facto laws are expressly forbidden by the United States Constitution in Article 1, Section 9, Clause 3.
WHY DO I, particularly, CARE:
Example:Register ALL Guns!(Psst: Retroactively)
1. I served in the Navy (50+years ago), thereby producing one tie to the Government; also I confess that I receive Social Security.
2. Surely, if that law stands, I can be ‘RETROACTIVED’ by some new Power Grab- like guns, or not sharing….
***
Some needed detail:
The case: United States v. Anthony James Kebodeaux,
In 2006 SORNA was made law and The White House would AND has applied this retroactively.(Federal Sex Offender Registration and Notification Act)
In 1999, 21-year-old Anthony Kebodeaux was convicted of having consensual sex with a 15-year-old girl and sentenced to 3 months in prison. After serving his sentence, Kebodeaux was released from federal custody, free from any post-release parole or probation requirements, and was no longer a member of the military. Essentially, Kebodeaux was a free man with no further ties to the federal government that would justify his continued and indefinite supervision.
Can the United States use the Constitution’s “Necessary and Proper” Clause to, even retroactively, assert perpetual jurisdiction over American citizens and control their lives from “cradle to grave?”
. Article 1, Section 8 of the United States Constitution grants Congress the power to regulate interstate commerce. At the time of his arrest, federal authorities claimed they had the right to override Texas authorities because it was “necessary and proper” in order to protect the citizens of the United States.
The clause gives Congress the power “To make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the foregoing powers, and all other powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States.”
The Cato Institute, a public policy research organization, is dedicated to the principles of individual liberty, limited government, free markets and peace.
There is more at stake here than the fate of this one malefactor.
The problem, says Cato, is that there are huge numbers of people who have ties to federal jurisdiction which are just as “great” or greater than Kebodeaux’s.
If allowed to stand, this “unconstrained federal authority to register, regulate, and detain all of these persons clearly constitutes a new great and independent realm of federal power.”
I am not being funny here. Maybe this is why the DHS needs so much ammunition I wonder if GM is over producing suburbans right now? Because if this happens they will be arresting people all over. The suburbans show up they knock your door and your gone to some gulag...

remember this "WE NEED A CIVILIAN NATIONAL SECURITY FORCE, that's just as powerful just as strong just as well funded". Barack Obama

Were the people behind him and in the crowd really listening to what he was saying or were they just following orders to applaud no matter what he said..

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