GRPD officer fired regarding standoff

A Grand Rapids police officer has been fired for not following procedure during a standoff that resulted in the death of a fellow officer. Full Story
Larry from Hastings

Grand Rapids, MI

#22 Feb 13, 2008
I hope the truth will come out. Let's not forget Officer Robert Kozminski.
jessica

Grand Rapids, MI

#23 Feb 13, 2008
when i heard this story in july i thought it was reckless of the cops to just barge into the house thinking they would save the day. they knew an armed man was in the residence threatening to discharge his weapon. they should have waited for back up and a clear assesment of the situation. did they have the skills to talk this man down or where they just going to shoot on sight. this isn't the military in a war zone this is the police and safety should be there number one concern. It is still a sad situation.
Pearl Bodine

Hudsonville, MI

#24 Feb 13, 2008
This is so dumb! GR had a lot of respect for the police when Officer Kozminski was killed. Then the sex scandal came and then Chief Dolan's resignation. Now this. As soon as you get the new chief in place, trouble starts. I hope Officer Dwyer sues the heck out of the GR Police and gets his job back. THe only person whose fault it was when Officer Kozminski was killed was Jeffrey VanVels.

Officer Kozminski will turn over in his grave knowing one of his fellow police officers was fired for not following procedure the night of his death. So sad. I have no more respect for the GR Police, no more.
Someone

Kalamazoo, MI

#25 Feb 13, 2008
tim wrote:
the grand rapids cops are to gun hole here and see what they think they can do and look one officer is killed because the police force is so gun hole
they never should of went in without more back up there but he was gun hole there all the grand rapids cops are scared to death
Um, what is "gun hole" supposed to mean?
Just saying

Rockford, MI

#26 Feb 13, 2008
jessica wrote:
when i heard this story in july i thought it was reckless of the cops to just barge into the house thinking they would save the day. they knew an armed man was in the residence threatening to discharge his weapon. they should have waited for back up and a clear assesment of the situation. did they have the skills to talk this man down or where they just going to shoot on sight. this isn't the military in a war zone this is the police and safety should be there number one concern. It is still a sad situation.
You are, apparently, misinformed.

The police did not enter the house. They were setting up a perimeter OUTSIDE the house when Officer Kozminski was ambushed from the garage, which is behind the house.

As far as GRPD going into the house like it is a war zone... Do you have any idea how many people have been shot at by GRPD in the last several years? To my recollection, you'll find in the area of 3 times in the last 5 years or so. I would say GRPD hardly treats it's citizens like they are enemies in a war zone.

Your a perfect example of someone who is not a police officer and has no idea what your talking about. Do you also advise your dentist on how to do his job? Maybe your electrician? I doubt it. Why is it that everyone thinks they can tell the police how to do their job, when you've NEVER done it yourself?
jessica

Grand Rapids, MI

#27 Feb 13, 2008
I guess I don't know the whole story on this, but I do know the officer who was shot was the first one there and alone at the time and probably should have waited for back up, but that was his call to make and a tragedy occured. The story at hand, of the officer being fired, was for not "following protocol" and as one person stated firing shots into the house- maybe if the whole story was told everyone would stop jumping to conclusions of whether it was the right decision or not.
Kevin

Carson City, MI

#28 Feb 14, 2008
I think no one should judge if you don't have all of the facts. Cops do what they do, they rush into a dangerous situation to PROTECT AND SERVE. They risk their life every time they put on the uniform. God Bless the GRPD for doing what they do, and rest in peace Officer Kozminski. Reading some of these post kills me to see how people react to this not knowing what it is like to be in the shoes of a Law Enforcement Officer. Hats off to the officers directly involved to this case. And to the officer who was terminated, you and your family will be in my prayers.
Just Wondering

Allendale, MI

#29 Feb 14, 2008
Purely from an editorial standpoint, I find it odd that TWO reporters put this story together and never realized that they missed Officer Dwyers first name. Note - I'll have egg on my face if his first name turns out to be Officer.
GR Police

Encino, CA

#30 Feb 14, 2008
After such a horrific night last year, once again we face defeat. Obviously, Belk is coming in like a lion and not a peaceful lamb as we all hoped. Good job Kevin, this will really give yourself a name now. I hope you get everything you had ever wanted out of firing one of the best officer's this city has had. I guess if tragedy takes some, you will surely be there to take the rest.
anna

United States

#31 Feb 14, 2008
wow pretty sad he has to live with the death of his fellow officer,but to be held accountable and terminated as well...for doing his JOB...put yourself in his/their shoes instead of behind a desk and take another look
Ryan

New Buffalo, MI

#32 Feb 14, 2008
This incident displays the largest problem with police departments today. The elected officials, and administrators have no idea what goes on out on the streets. I don't know the details of why this officer is being fired, but this sounds like a Monday morning quarterback administration adding insult to an already severly injured situation. Let the real cops do their job without constantly being scrutinized because they didn't shake someone's hand in the process.
Someone Else

Carson City, MI

#33 Feb 14, 2008
If my family was in danger from a man with a gun, I would hope the police that serve my community would be as "gun hole" as the GRPD to protect them. Before people make STUPID comments about the police being "gun hole" and "reckless", they should get all of the facts, and all of the facts is something we the general public will never know. We weren't there, so WE can't judge the police for their actions. So before more people make STUPID comments about the actions of the GRPD, maybe you should get all of the facts first.
yea right

Grand Rapids, MI

#34 Feb 14, 2008
unknown wrote:
Tim,
First of all...unless you've ever been called out to a domestic violence call and watched one of your brothers get murdered in front of your eyes, you have no business making any comments on the actions of the FINE officers of the GRPD. You commented that the Grand Rapids officers are scared to death? That is EXACTLY what makes those officers far more of a man than you'll ever dream of being. They will run straight to a call for help, even though they might be scared to death. Would you? I HIGHLY doubt it...you're probably not "gun hole" enough...
This posting is dedicated to the memory of heroic Officer Robert Kozminski, GRPD, Badge #89. Rest in peace, my brother...
as long as we continue to pay your salary, we have a right to our opinions. your not the only ones to face death head on during a days work. so get off you high horse and be thank full that you went home that night. as for the officer. he swore to up hold the law. period! he did what he promised he would do in the face of danger. he gave his life to protect another. thats his job! thats all it is, a job! no one held a gun to his head and said you have to join the police force. he did it of his own free will. he knew that his decision to join could and may change his life and those around him. this was the risk he was willing to take. as for the new police chief, this is not the way to prove your tough on crime or your staff. dont use it to make a name for yourself. you have earned the right to run the show. dont blow it by doing stupid things like this. as for the comment by unknown, your mouth is bigger than your balls,so go sit down and draw the pension were paying you!
Larry from Hastings

Grand Rapids, MI

#37 Feb 14, 2008
Chief Belk first day on the job wasn't too good. The mayor didn't like who the cith manager picked. Now the chief has fired his first officer. My feeling is, he will not be serving as chief, too many years. The chief will continue to have problems. I am sure in days ahead we will learn more.
Anonymous

United States

#38 Feb 14, 2008
So I have to ask those who are doing the bickering that started with one misspelled word: Why start fighting over something trivial that has nothing to do with the topic at hand? People want to hear others' opinions about the subject. They don't come to this site to hear bickering and name-calling over something completely irrelevant.
The opinions that I've formed from the information made available by our local media (which is often biased) is that Kevin Belk can't be trusted. Period. At the same time, they leave me with the feeling that an officer acted inappropriately during a situation that potentially resulted in the death of another police officer. Immediately I question whether or not that would be true. I can't make any sense of this at all. Perhaps someone has more information that could bring light to the situation?
misinformed

Jenison, MI

#39 Feb 14, 2008
it's comical listening to all you folks make judgments and assumptions based on little or no facts. I would set you straight, but then I wouldn't be able to read these idiotic posts.

We miss you Koz
mimi

Detroit, MI

#40 Feb 14, 2008
I think in light of the situation we need to understand the different levels of demand and stress that are spontaneously put onto a police officer. It is not fair for the dept. to fire someone for errors made in such a highly stressful situation. I, of course, don't know what exactly happened, but if the other officers stand behind him I do as well. It is a tragic situation in all senses.His errors(if there were any) were not made out of anything more than the stress of the situation. I could be well wrong, but I feel for him and his family. It such a hard, thankless job...I know that they all work hard and mistakes are made in every aspect of life...I just feel there should be some area where in a extremely high stress situation it is not a make one mistake and your whole career is done..It is not fair....
jeepie

Detroit, MI

#41 Feb 14, 2008
It is a sad post script to Officer Kozminski's end. I would think that some discipline would be correct for a serious violation of a policy or procedure. But a termination seems a little much given the circumstances. Perhaps the union will prevail and get his job back. As for Tim I guess AOL means "@#$hole on line"
unknown

Hudsonville, MI

#42 Feb 14, 2008
Amen to that brother. It is very easy for people to complain about the police. However, if they are in need, I wonder who they will call? People who have not been on the force can not understand. With what we do, risking our lives, we need unconditional support.
unknown wrote:
Tim,
First of all...unless you've ever been called out to a domestic violence call and watched one of your brothers get murdered in front of your eyes, you have no business making any comments on the actions of the FINE officers of the GRPD. You commented that the Grand Rapids officers are scared to death? That is EXACTLY what makes those officers far more of a man than you'll ever dream of being. They will run straight to a call for help, even though they might be scared to death. Would you? I HIGHLY doubt it...you're probably not "gun hole" enough...
This posting is dedicated to the memory of heroic Officer Robert Kozminski, GRPD, Badge #89. Rest in peace, my brother...
Gracie

United States

#43 Feb 14, 2008
Really bad reporting for News 8 and who here would love to have a news crew show up on your doorstep when you have been fired from your job...that is the only story they have, an officer fired other than that they give you nothing. Is the new chief trying to prove something with this firing?
RIP Bobby

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