Rob

United States

#158 May 1, 2013
Kelp wrote:
so if you and your bastard step kids don't want to sign up with O- care, buy your own or find a real job & want to roll the dice go ahead just pay your little fine get sick or injured & die. We dont give a $hit.
Just like a true Democrat. Only talks about caring till they get their way.
Kelp

United States

#159 May 1, 2013
vox veritatis wrote:
<quoted text>
According to my sources, the younger of the Boston Marathon bombers was a daily user.
Your sources?! a newspaper article that said something about the guy using pot ? hahaha REAL scientifc there genius - correlating his alleged use to his actions. How about something credible that links his alleged use to his jihad? All you got, all you ever have is wild ass delusion, half baked conclusions & crazy talk. Sadly for you thats all you're EVER going to have. Sucks doesn't it?
Rob

United States

#160 May 1, 2013
Kelp wrote:
<quoted text>Your sources?! a newspaper article that said something about the guy using pot ? hahaha REAL scientifc there genius - correlating his alleged use to his actions. How about something credible that links his alleged use to his jihad? All you got, all you ever have is wild ass delusion, half baked conclusions & crazy talk. Sadly for you thats all you're EVER going to have. Sucks doesn't it?
Actually people that new him said he was a highon in a interview. Just like you pothead.
vox veritatis

Grand Rapids, MI

#161 May 1, 2013
Kelp wrote:
Your sources?! a newspaper article that said something about the guy using pot ?
Multiple articles and an interview of people who knew him who stated that he was a daily/regular pot smoker as was his brother. Reports are now coming out that their little bombing spree was probably funded, at least in part, but dealing the drug and that the elder brother may have been involved in a murder of a pot dealer in New York...yeah, that's pretty UNviolent...LOL..NOT!
BTW....I never made the claim that pot makes a person violent. I was responding to the poster who claimed they have never known a pot smoker to BE violent and provided several examples of pot smokers who committed violent acts. Whether they were high at the time or not is irrelevant unless you would like to concede that pot smokers become violent when they're NOT high or BETWEEN highs when they are withdrawing from the drug.
Rob

United States

#162 May 1, 2013
vox veritatis wrote:
<quoted text>Multiple articles and an interview of people who knew him who stated that he was a daily/regular pot smoker as was his brother. Reports are now coming out that their little bombing spree was probably funded, at least in part, but dealing the drug and that the elder brother may have been involved in a murder of a pot dealer in New York...yeah, that's pretty UNviolent...LOL..NOT!
BTW....I never made the claim that pot makes a person violent. I was responding to the poster who claimed they have never known a pot smoker to BE violent and provided several examples of pot smokers who committed violent acts. Whether they were high at the time or not is irrelevant unless you would like to concede that pot smokers become violent when they're NOT high or BETWEEN highs when they are withdrawing from the drug.
From what I understand it was three people that were murdered. The three were found with a slice across each of their necks.
Oneal

Grand Rapids, MI

#163 May 2, 2013
Mr Wiggley wrote:
<quoted text>
And you apparently will be in denial that the next time you or someone you know whom will be prescribed Vicoden or some other variation, will not stand any possibility of any "brain cell" loss or other side effects?
Get a life...
I did not say nor imply in any way that cannibus or any other substance or experience is "not addictive". I only pointed out that you are apparently not clear on what the term addiction means.
The term "mind altering" is interesting...lots of drugs and unfortunately for you, non-drug stuff or things can be mind-altering.
Who cares whether you think I understand addiction or not? Smoking pot is addicting. Pot is min-altering. You agree with both of those points. Good.

Don't come on here saying pot is harmless again.
Oneal

Three Rivers, MI

#164 May 2, 2013
Kelp wrote:
<quoted text>
start with O-care which obvious you know nothing about except what you puke back from what you read, see & hear from the O haters. thats obvious cuz you dont even understand that O-care wont even effect anyone who has private insurance they like, either independently purchased or employer sponsored. O-care only applies to doofuses like yourself & your bastard step children like setrlvr & Rob who dont have real jobs or sense enough to have medical insurance but who will inevitably go to an ER if they become sick or injured enough & expect real taxpayers to fit the bill.
This is really for another thread, but since you've finally offered a cognizant point on a subject:

"Obamacare won't effect anyone who has private insurance they like, either independently purchased or employer sponsored"

Consider this:

Because of the way private exchanges are built, large corporations are already reclassifying full time workers as independent contractors so they have to buy their own insurance - forcing the workers to change plans. That alone makes your statement untrue.

Also, some companies are laying employees off and/or not hiring in order to stay under the 50 employee limit. I know of several small business owners who have made that decision.

So sure, if being reclassified as an independent contractor or being laid off/turned down from a job, and forced to purchase your own insurance is what you consider "not being effected", then you are right.

Now, once you have your own insurance, are you going to be effected by Obamacare? Maybe. Considering doctors who in the past have turned away patients on government plans will now be forced to take them in, you might see longer waits and a decrease in the quality of care you receive. That's conjecture of course because this will take time to have an impact on doctor visits, but it is a common sense prediction.

Also, because insurance companies will have to offer insurance to pre-existing condition customers, there's a very good chance the costs of everyone's insurance will go up, which is the exact opposite of what Obamacare was introduced to solve.

If you're a senior, one quarter of them relying on Medicare Advantage, Obamacare makes such deep cuts to that program that half of those covered will no longer be able to keep the coverage they have.

Also,$27 billion new taxes on drug companies and $20 billion on medical device makers, as well as reporting requirements and regulations imposed on physicians. You don't think that will equate to higher costs in health services?
free thinker

Farmington, MI

#165 May 2, 2013
Rob wrote:
<quoted text>
From what I understand it was three people that were murdered. The three were found with a slice across each of their necks.
And covered in marijuana
free thinker

Farmington, MI

#166 May 2, 2013
Oneal wrote:
Considering doctors who in the past have turned away patients on government plans will now be forced to take them in, you might see longer waits and a decrease in the quality of care you receive.
Polls are showing that less people are entering medical school or considering being a doctor because of Obamacare and more doctors are considering early retirement for the same reason.
Add to this the fact that we are adding millions of patients to their rosters and I forsee lengthy waits for non-urgent care and maybe even some long waits for urgent but non life-threatening care. Many experts are predicting a rather severe doctor shortage in the next few years.
Great...you all have insurance but have fun getting in to see the doctor.
Train. Wreck. In. Progress.
Rob

United States

#167 May 2, 2013
free thinker wrote:
<quoted text>And covered in marijuana
Lier! We're did you see that? You just make sh!t up. Why would it be all over? Use your head! The bomber was a druggy, he would have cleaned it up and took it with him.
Rob

United States

#168 May 2, 2013
free thinker wrote:
<quoted text>Polls are showing that less people are entering medical school or considering being a doctor because of Obamacare and more doctors are considering early retirement for the same reason.
Add to this the fact that we are adding millions of patients to their rosters and I forsee lengthy waits for non-urgent care and maybe even some long waits for urgent but non life-threatening care. Many experts are predicting a rather severe doctor shortage in the next few years.
Great...you all have insurance but have fun getting in to see the doctor.
Train. Wreck. In. Progress.
And small practices are selling out to bigger medical companies. Results are cutting jobs and creating a monopoly. It is cutting out the competition that would help to lower prices and encourage better care.
SOS in Mesa

Phoenix, AZ

#169 May 2, 2013
Rob wrote:
Two shot at Denver's Civic Center 4/20 pot rally
So you are indirectly saying that liberals should not have guns?

“Selected Marksman”

Since: Aug 08

Northern Virginia

#170 May 2, 2013
Oneal wrote:
<quoted text>
Who cares whether you think I understand addiction or not? Smoking pot is addicting. Pot is min-altering. You agree with both of those points. Good.
Don't come on here saying pot is harmless again.
I care whether someone brings up addiction and understands the complex nature of addiction.
There are many classifications of addiction and cannibus falls into a lesser catagory than caffine or nicotine and is not physically addictive like they are.
Addiction comes in many forms. That's why I've used gambling and food as examples. It's a state of mind and not everyone who ever gambles becomes addicted nor does everyone who smokes cannibus become addicted. It depends on the individual. If you don't know that yet them please do some honest research. You will be surprised at what you might learn.
I don't recall ever saying anything is "harmless", including cannibus. You made that up so you could use it to try to slam me...it's called a strawman and guess what...
You Fail...

“Selected Marksman”

Since: Aug 08

Northern Virginia

#171 May 2, 2013
Rob wrote:
<quoted text>
Please let us know what other drugs you are interested in. Let us know how educated you are in this field. Or are you just another high on lookin to get your play drugs legal. Pain killer....right! You can pull out any propaganda you want that agrees with your screwed up druggy view. It is a ineffective pain killer if at all. Marijuana is considered hallucinogenic and it makes people dumb. You don't need anymore help.
What's the matter child?? Can't take it that I provided proof that cannibus is a pain killer after someone challenged me?? Don't like it when the brainwashing you've been through starts to fall apart??

Poor baby...go suck on your thumb for a while and maybe you'll feel all better.
Rob

United States

#172 May 2, 2013
Mr Wiggley wrote:
<quoted text>What's the matter child?? Can't take it that I provided proof that cannibus is a pain killer after someone challenged me?? Don't like it when the brainwashing you've been through starts to fall apart??

Poor baby...go suck on your thumb for a while and maybe you'll feel all better.
I'll agree with you that addiction for everyone is different just like the high is also. Your proof is propaganda. I guess that it could possibly to be some what of a pain killer to some because everyone responds different to it. Nobody I know considers it any sort of pain killer at all. They all still feel pain with it. There is far more effective, reliable, and safer (in most cases) pain killers. Your justification for legalizing it only show that your a high on grasping at straws. You would have a better chance getting it legalized just saying your an adult and would like the option of using it for recreational use instead of alcohol which you believe is more dangerous.

“Selected Marksman”

Since: Aug 08

Northern Virginia

#173 May 2, 2013
Rob wrote:
<quoted text>
I'll agree with you that addiction for everyone is different just like the high is also. Your proof is propaganda. I guess that it could possibly to be some what of a pain killer to some because everyone responds different to it. Nobody I know considers it any sort of pain killer at all. They all still feel pain with it. There is far more effective, reliable, and safer (in most cases) pain killers. Your justification for legalizing it only show that your a high on grasping at straws. You would have a better chance getting it legalized just saying your an adult and would like the option of using it for recreational use instead of alcohol which you believe is more dangerous.
That's been my point all along and it's also noted in most of the studies I posted. Everyone has different reactions to pain killers. All opiate based pain killers are highly addictive and are dangerous. Cannibus is not and in some circumstances works better than those pain killers and is not physically addictive like they are.
If you've never experienced it as something helpful then you have no say in this discussion. Just because you know a few folks that still have pain does not disqualify it as a pain killer for others.
If you hold no compassion for someone who made a choice to use cannibus in lieu of a highly addictive drug then you are grasping for straws...again, you have no personal background or first hand experience to back up your claims.
Oneal

Three Rivers, MI

#174 May 2, 2013
free thinker wrote:
<quoted text>
Polls are showing that less people are entering medical school or considering being a doctor because of Obamacare and more doctors are considering early retirement for the same reason.
Add to this the fact that we are adding millions of patients to their rosters and I forsee lengthy waits for non-urgent care and maybe even some long waits for urgent but non life-threatening care. Many experts are predicting a rather severe doctor shortage in the next few years.
Great...you all have insurance but have fun getting in to see the doctor.
Train. Wreck. In. Progress.
All excellent points. Again, this is conjectural at this point because the true impact of Obamacare hasn't hit yet, but remember conservatives also predicted Obamacare would be a tax on middle class Americans,and companies would cut jobs if they were close to the 50 employee mark, both of which have come true.

Our health care system was not covering everyone and it was proving far too expensive. Those are the reasons Obama, Pelosi and the liberals gave us for ramming Obamacare down our throats without any of the democrats who voted for it actually reading it, and without any of the lemming Obama-voters giving a damn what was in it.

Obama's signature legislation, a law so ill-conceived some in his own party no longer support it and the majority of Americans want repealed.

Progressivism in action!
free thinker

Farmington, MI

#175 May 2, 2013
Rob wrote:
Lier! We're did you see that? You just make sh!t up. Why would it be all over? Use your head! The bomber was a druggy, he would have cleaned it up and took it with him.
Try Google. The theory is that the older brother committed the murder because he was upset that they had sold to his younger brother and he was making a statement by spreading marijuana over the corpses.$5,000.00 was also left at the crime scene...not somthing your typical theif/murderer will pass up.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/04/22/da-looks...
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/tamerla...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-23116...
Rob

United States

#176 May 2, 2013
free thinker wrote:
<quoted text>Try Google. The theory is that the older brother committed the murder because he was upset that they had sold to his younger brother and he was making a statement by spreading marijuana over the corpses.$5,000.00 was also left at the crime scene...not somthing your typical theif/murderer will pass up.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/04/22/da-looks...
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/tamerla...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-23116...
Oops! I thought you were joking around. So I was joking around. Sorry
Rob

United States

#177 May 2, 2013
Mr Wiggley wrote:
<quoted text>That's been my point all along and it's also noted in most of the studies I posted. Everyone has different reactions to pain killers. All opiate based pain killers are highly addictive and are dangerous. Cannibus is not and in some circumstances works better than those pain killers and is not physically addictive like they are.
If you've never experienced it as something helpful then you have no say in this discussion. Just because you know a few folks that still have pain does not disqualify it as a pain killer for others.
If you hold no compassion for someone who made a choice to use cannibus in lieu of a highly addictive drug then you are grasping for straws...again, you have no personal background or first hand experience to back up your claims.
Everybody responds different to the other pain killers also. Face it you are using every possible thing you can to pump up Mj as some great medicine wether it stretches the truth or not.
Ok I get it! If I'm not a high on I have no right to have a opinion on it. Lol! Ok, what ever pot head

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