Pot heads should not have firarms

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#41
Apr 24, 2013
 
Rob wrote:
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And we would have no freedom if we passed laws on emotions or because of the actions of each crazy person out there. Guns serve good purposes too, you just choose to overlook that. I refer back to my question when you refer to a loophole and fixing the problem.
Evidently you didn't read my post or failed to get my point. Loopholes allow easier access to guns for people that shouldn't have them. This isn't a question of freedom because if you are a citizen who can legally own a firearm, background checks won't keep you from getting one.
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Apr 24, 2013
 
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Evidently you didn't read my post or failed to get my point. Loopholes allow easier access to guns for people that shouldn't have them. This isn't a question of freedom because if you are a citizen who can legally own a firearm, background checks won't keep you from getting one.
I'm open to background checks if you can provide some factual evidence that they would prevent the kinds of gun violence that the left has seized upon to further hinder law-abiding citizens who choose to own a gun. Gabby Giffords would still be shot. Sandy Hook, Ft Hood, Colorado - none of the proposals would have prevented any of those events. Shall we bring up the every day gun violence taking place on the inner city streets of Chicago and LA among many other areas? Background checks going to prevent gangbangers from killing each other and anyone else that happens to stray into their line of constant fire? NO.

So, aside from hypothetical possible gun violence, is there any factual evidence you can provide to warrant more background checks?

All I can see happening with the proposed legislation is sales at gun shows and online dropping because of the lack of convenience, and that might be part of why the anti-gun people like Obama are proposing it.

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Apr 24, 2013
 
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I'm open to background checks if you can provide some factual evidence that they would prevent the kinds of gun violence that the left has seized upon to further hinder law-abiding citizens who choose to own a gun. Gabby Giffords would still be shot. Sandy Hook, Ft Hood, Colorado - none of the proposals would have prevented any of those events. Shall we bring up the every day gun violence taking place on the inner city streets of Chicago and LA among many other areas? Background checks going to prevent gangbangers from killing each other and anyone else that happens to stray into their line of constant fire? NO.
So, aside from hypothetical possible gun violence, is there any factual evidence you can provide to warrant more background checks?
All I can see happening with the proposed legislation is sales at gun shows and online dropping because of the lack of convenience, and that might be part of why the anti-gun people like Obama are proposing it.
I can take a small stab at this...here in Virginia anyone, yes anyone can walk into a gun show and buy a gun without any background check.
Do you think that's a good idea?? Do you know how many of those guns end up in the hands of people who should not have them?
The gun ownership laws vary too much from State to State.
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Apr 24, 2013
 
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<quoted text>I can take a small stab at this...here in Virginia anyone, yes anyone can walk into a gun show and buy a gun without any background check.
Do you think that's a good idea?? Do you know how many of those guns end up in the hands of people who should not have them?
The gun ownership laws vary too much from State to State.
This was the question pothead. Practice that reading and comprehension
How will a background check stop a killer or criminal that will not get a background check?

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Apr 24, 2013
 
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This was the question pothead. Practice that reading and comprehension
How will a background check stop a killer or criminal that will not get a background check?
Well. drug addict, if one criminal is stopped from buying a gun at a gun show in Virginia then your question is answered...drug addict.
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Apr 24, 2013
 
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I can take a small stab at this...here in Virginia anyone, yes anyone can walk into a gun show and buy a gun without any background check.
Do you think that's a good idea?? Do you know how many of those guns end up in the hands of people who should not have them?
The gun ownership laws vary too much from State to State.
Nope, I don't. Do you know how many guns end up in the hands of people who should not have them from gun show purchases? Has there been any studies done to define if there was enough of a problem with gun show purchases to warrant a law of the land ruling? I would think with the money we've already wasted on this distraction we could certainly have compiled some evidence one way or the other.

The discussion should be what studies could we be performing before making a knee jerk ruling that could further restrict law abiding citizens' ability to sell or purchase a legal gun and potentially lead to the government unfairly restricting our rights to own guns.

“Selected Marksman”

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Apr 24, 2013
 
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Nope, I don't. Do you know how many guns end up in the hands of people who should not have them from gun show purchases? Has there been any studies done to define if there was enough of a problem with gun show purchases to warrant a law of the land ruling? I would think with the money we've already wasted on this distraction we could certainly have compiled some evidence one way or the other.
The discussion should be what studies could we be performing before making a knee jerk ruling that could further restrict law abiding citizens' ability to sell or purchase a legal gun and potentially lead to the government unfairly restricting our rights to own guns.
So you have no offering as to how to get and keep guns out of the hands of criminals. The laws that are in place aren't working.
I didn't mind being checked last year when I purchased a firearm. It made the process take extra time whilst I filled out the forms but I had/have no problem with that.

I'm not as one sided as you may think on this subject however...I've heard nothing from the anti-background check people on prevention and how to make it work.

Your thoughts??

“Selected Marksman”

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Apr 24, 2013
 
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Nope, I don't. Do you know how many guns end up in the hands of people who should not have them from gun show purchases? Has there been any studies done to define if there was enough of a problem with gun show purchases to warrant a law of the land ruling? I would think with the money we've already wasted on this distraction we could certainly have compiled some evidence one way or the other.
The discussion should be what studies could we be performing before making a knee jerk ruling that could further restrict law abiding citizens' ability to sell or purchase a legal gun and potentially lead to the government unfairly restricting our rights to own guns.
And another thing...or two...
1. A criminal that buys a gun at a gun show would/could and/or probably will remove the serial number which renders the gun untraceable...example: A gun found to be possessed by one of the Boston bombers had the serial number scraped off.
2. If he doesn't then the next criminal he sells it to probably will. Again, traceability is renderd useless.
3. I'm sure that the further back we could trace the history of any serialized weapon the better chance we could trace the exchange of hands. This, I think would be very helpful in identifying the point of good guy to bad guy transfers that apparently happen all the time.
4. With that information in hand we might be able to identify the bad guys and focus in on them.

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Apr 24, 2013
 
Oneal wrote:
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Nope, I don't. Do you know how many guns end up in the hands of people who should not have them from gun show purchases? Has there been any studies done to define if there was enough of a problem with gun show purchases to warrant a law of the land ruling? I would think with the money we've already wasted on this distraction we could certainly have compiled some evidence one way or the other.
The discussion should be what studies could we be performing before making a knee jerk ruling that could further restrict law abiding citizens' ability to sell or purchase a legal gun and potentially lead to the government unfairly restricting our rights to own guns.
You raise more questions than you think you answer...here's another concern...
Just who is going to do these "studies" and who will pay for them and who will be accepted by everyone as valid, and who will then enact laws necessary to minimize the negative results and "study" whether the "study" is valid or actually show positive results?
We'll probably need yet another study to determine whether the original study was needed in the first place.

Sheeeesh, come on...

“Selected Marksman”

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Apr 24, 2013
 
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Perhaps a state law should be in place for background checks like here in Michigan. But I think the federal government should not be the ones doing the checks. I believe that the information that they would obtain might and could be used against law abiding gun owners. Example: It is possible for the IRS to have that info and pass a tax on gun owners. But this is just my thoughts on the subject.
Yep, I agree with the state law idea. Would you agree the state laws should be consistant? I kinda feel it would help.
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Apr 24, 2013
 
Mr Wiggley wrote:
<quoted text>Well. drug addict, if one criminal is stopped from buying a gun at a gun show in Virginia then your question is answered...drug addict.
I don't do drugs. You on the other hand said you smoke pot. Pothead. You say " if one criminal is stopped from buying a gun". Why not ask how many are let go because of you boneheads wasting time on something that will not stop crime.
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Apr 24, 2013
 
Mr Wiggley wrote:
<quoted text>So you have no offering as to how to get and keep guns out of the hands of criminals. The laws that are in place aren't working.
I didn't mind being checked last year when I purchased a firearm. It made the process take extra time whilst I filled out the forms but I had/have no problem with that.

I'm not as one sided as you may think on this subject however...I've heard nothing from the anti-background check people on prevention and how to make it work.

Your thoughts??
My thoughts are potheads should not have guns.
Rob

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#56
Apr 24, 2013
 
Talking to yourself and agreeing under one of your other personalities is proving nothing. The question still remains: This was the question pothead. Practice that reading and comprehension
How will a background check stop a killer or criminal that will not get a background check?
Rob

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#58
Apr 24, 2013
 
James wrote:
<quoted text>Hey Mr. Wiggley, we may agree too often, but I'm sure that you'll join me when I say that this dude is one fry short of a happy meal.

Interesting question ROB. In answering your question, I will ask this question; Why does the state of Michigan do background checks when you purchase a gun at a store? Using your logic, one can reason that background checks don't work. I have no idea if they do, but to do nothing...
Correct You have no idea. The answer is no they don't work. You guys insist they do until you are told to explain then you ignore the questions unless they are asked repeatedly. Fact is a criminal will get the guns they want wether they steal them, kill to get them, buy them on a black market or even make them. You will stop nothing with a background check or the other crap they throw in with it while trying to pass it.

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#59
Apr 24, 2013
 
If you are an American citizen and not in jail or in the nut house you should be able to own a gun.
Oneal

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Apr 25, 2013
 
Mr Wiggley wrote:
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You raise more questions than you think you answer...here's another concern...
Just who is going to do these "studies" and who will pay for them and who will be accepted by everyone as valid, and who will then enact laws necessary to minimize the negative results and "study" whether the "study" is valid or actually show positive results?
We'll probably need yet another study to determine whether the original study was needed in the first place.
Sheeeesh, come on...
Sheesh, come on ... yea, it's frustrating actually making a decision based on facts and study isn't it? Much easier to just make a knee-jerk judgement based on emotions and conjecture.

By the way, I never set out to answer any questions, and if my points raised more questions than answers that should tell you something.

Let me ask you something. Do you think someone who at some point was prescribed anti-depressants should have their ability to own a gun taken away from them?

What about someone who went to a psychiatrist?

How about someone who was arrested for getting drunk and fighting in a bar?

If you don't think that's a rational argument, read this:
http://www.wben.com/Attorney-Subpoenas-Erie-C...

At what point do you decide you've given the government too much power over citizens - When they finally take something away from you? Or are you capable of recognizing the dangerous slope you're willing to put us over by not fully questioning every aspect - past, present and future - of a law that effects our constitutional rights?

“Selected Marksman”

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Apr 25, 2013
 
Oneal wrote:
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Sheesh, come on ... yea, it's frustrating actually making a decision based on facts and study isn't it? Much easier to just make a knee-jerk judgement based on emotions and conjecture.
By the way, I never set out to answer any questions, and if my points raised more questions than answers that should tell you something.
Let me ask you something. Do you think someone who at some point was prescribed anti-depressants should have their ability to own a gun taken away from them?
What about someone who went to a psychiatrist?
How about someone who was arrested for getting drunk and fighting in a bar?
If you don't think that's a rational argument, read this:
http://www.wben.com/Attorney-Subpoenas-Erie-C...
At what point do you decide you've given the government too much power over citizens - When they finally take something away from you? Or are you capable of recognizing the dangerous slope you're willing to put us over by not fully questioning every aspect - past, present and future - of a law that effects our constitutional rights?
Yes, your incapability to answer legitimate questions clearly indicates you have no good or applicable answers.
I'm not, nor did I EVER advocate background checks...I'm simply asking why anyone whould think it won't help at all.
I'm also wondering what alternatives you might offer...I've not heard one.
The root of the problem is how to curb the violence and death from illegal (and sometimes legal) firearms.
There's always lots of finger pointing after these mass killings but never any proposal as to how to stop it.
We already know what the problem is...just what part of some study do you think will be a great revelation??

“Selected Marksman”

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Apr 25, 2013
 
Rob wrote:
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Correct You have no idea. The answer is no they don't work. You guys insist they do until you are told to explain then you ignore the questions unless they are asked repeatedly. Fact is a criminal will get the guns they want wether they steal them, kill to get them, buy them on a black market or even make them. You will stop nothing with a background check or the other crap they throw in with it while trying to pass it.
So what does work genius??
Or are we to lambasted with more negativity from your anti-everything attitude?
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Apr 25, 2013
 
Rob wrote:
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The store owner is not the one to take the guns. The post was about people that had guns and THEN were busted for intoxication or having drugs. You really do lack reading and comprehension skills.
Why don't you explain how a background check is going to stop a killer that will not get a background check? Here is your big chance to shine.
Post the link that says the the shooters were inioxicated or high. If you can't post a link then just shut your big mouth.

“Selected Marksman”

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#65
Apr 25, 2013
 
Rob wrote:
Talking to yourself and agreeing under one of your other personalities is proving nothing. The question still remains: This was the question pothead. Practice that reading and comprehension
How will a background check stop a killer or criminal that will not get a background check?
This coming from an exposed lawbreaking Copyright thief.
Your credibility is nothing, zip, zero...sucks huh??
If a background check saved one life, or two, or three, wouldn't that be worth it??

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