Oneal

Grand Rapids, MI

#218 May 4, 2013
setrlvr wrote:
<quoted text>
It was exactly the example you gave me. You can't remember again ?? Hmmm.....
Smoking pot tends to inhibit one's memory, to say nothing of their intelligence.

Deny that all you want, Wiggley - your posts are all the proof we need :)

“Selected Marksman”

Since: Aug 08

Northern Virginia

#219 May 4, 2013
Oneal wrote:
<quoted text>
Smoking pot tends to inhibit one's memory, to say nothing of their intelligence.
Deny that all you want, Wiggley - your posts are all the proof we need :)
Lots of things affect a human's memory.
So you are saying that smoking cannibus 25 years ago for a whopping 6 months has forever deleted my memory capability??

You are more crazy fanatic than anyone could believe.
Go back and hide underneath that rock...you are safer there...

Good grief...

“Selected Marksman”

Since: Aug 08

Northern Virginia

#220 May 4, 2013
setrlvr wrote:
<quoted text>
Look up the word intolerant and then get back to me as to whether it applied to your backpain and opiates. Because now your case is looking very weak and the jury is looking really bored.
A jury of one....
Fail...

“Selected Marksman”

Since: Aug 08

Northern Virginia

#221 May 4, 2013
Oneal wrote:
<quoted text>
Smoking pot tends to inhibit one's memory, to say nothing of their intelligence.
Deny that all you want, Wiggley - your posts are all the proof we need :)
I'm going to try to be tolerant of your useless, childish attempts to be the "know it all" and ask you to prove that the use of cannibus for a 6 month period would permanently inhibit someone's intelligence.
I'll wait for the "devistating" results...
You made the claim...back it up....
LOL

Jenison, MI

#222 May 4, 2013
Mr Wiggley wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm going to try to be tolerant of your useless, childish attempts to be the "know it all" and ask you to prove that the use of cannibus for a 6 month period would permanently inhibit someone's intelligence.
I'll wait for the "devistating" results...
You made the claim...back it up....
All one has to do, is read your post's.
Thats proof enough!
Rob

United States

#223 May 4, 2013
Mr Wiggley wrote:
<quoted text>Lots of things affect a human's memory.
So you are saying that smoking cannibus 25 years ago for a whopping 6 months has forever deleted my memory capability??

You are more crazy fanatic than anyone could believe.
Go back and hide underneath that rock...you are safer there...

Good grief...
That's funny pothead!
Rob

United States

#224 May 4, 2013
Mr Wiggley wrote:
<quoted text>I'm going to try to be tolerant of your useless, childish attempts to be the "know it all" and ask you to prove that the use of cannibus for a 6 month period would permanently inhibit someone's intelligence.
I'll wait for the "devistating" results...
You made the claim...back it up....
You've been doing it for the whole 25 years pothead. All we need to do is listen to the way you talk pothead. That is proof enough.
vox veritatis

Grand Rapids, MI

#225 May 4, 2013
setrlvr wrote:
Dork? Are you 15?
LOL...smoking pot tends to arrest emotional development and maturity at the point the user was when they first started smoking it. Explains a lot about our pot pushing posters here, now doesn't it?
vox veritatis

Grand Rapids, MI

#226 May 4, 2013
Oneal wrote:
Smoking pot tends to inhibit one's memory, to say nothing of their intelligence.
Deny that all you want, Wiggley - your posts are all the proof we need :)
Yup

http://www.flcasas.com/marijuan.htm
Heavy users showed a trend toward impairment in selecting synonyms, in literary comprehension, or overall
ability to learn (not just when "high", but a lingering loss of cognitive skills after the high is gone)(43). Animal
studies show structural damage to the hippocampus, a structure critical in learning and memory, from the
principle ingredient in marijuana (THC)(44).

“Selected Marksman”

Since: Aug 08

Northern Virginia

#227 May 5, 2013
vox veritatis wrote:
<quoted text>
Yup
http://www.flcasas.com/marijuan.htm
Heavy users showed a trend toward impairment in selecting synonyms, in literary comprehension, or overall
ability to learn (not just when "high", but a lingering loss of cognitive skills after the high is gone)(43). Animal
studies show structural damage to the hippocampus, a structure critical in learning and memory, from the
principle ingredient in marijuana (THC)(44).
Take note of the first two words you copied "heavy users".
Odd piece or propaganda. In one paragraph they claim it's highly addictive and then later claim that a high percentage of people who used it stopped and never used it again.
So which is it??
Here's something a little more recent for ya...mj doesn't harm the lungs...
http://www.wtop.com/...
Here's one from WebMD that shows it can be a pain reliever...
http://www.webmd.com/pain-management/news/201...

I doubt you'll read them but hopefully others who want to hear and see both sides and make informed decisions will. Debunking the old myths is easy and helping people educate themselves that there are alternative choices from highly addictive pain killers is important.
vox veritatis

Grand Rapids, MI

#228 May 5, 2013
Mr Wiggley wrote:
In one paragraph they claim it's highly addictive and then later claim that a high percentage of people who used it stopped and never used it again.
I see...so you believe that the definition of 'addicted' means 'never able to stop using'? Is that about it?
Tell me...is nicotine addictive?
Rob

United States

#229 May 5, 2013
Mr Wiggley wrote:
<quoted text>Take note of the first two words you copied "heavy users".
Odd piece or propaganda. In one paragraph they claim it's highly addictive and then later claim that a high percentage of people who used it stopped and never used it again.
So which is it??
Here's something a little more recent for ya...mj doesn't harm the lungs...
http://www.wtop.com/...
Here's one from WebMD that shows it can be a pain reliever...
http://www.webmd.com/pain-management/news/201...

I doubt you'll read them but hopefully others who want to hear and see both sides and make informed decisions will. Debunking the old myths is easy and helping people educate themselves that there are alternative choices from highly addictive pain killers is important.
You are so stupid! Yes it is healthy to put smoke in the lungs.
"The findings echo results in some smaller studies that showed while marijuana contains some of the same toxic chemicals as tobacco, it does not carry the same risks for lung disease."
Oh no! It does not have the same risk because pothead thinks it is a pain killer. Or at least that is his excuse of why it should be legal. So there you have it in no way can it hurt the lungs. And don't even worry about these potheads giving this to the children because potheads are very good and responsible people living in fantasy land.

“Selected Marksman”

Since: Aug 08

Northern Virginia

#230 May 5, 2013
vox veritatis wrote:
<quoted text>
I see...so you believe that the definition of 'addicted' means 'never able to stop using'? Is that about it?
Tell me...is nicotine addictive?
No I don't think you do see...the first two words of your copied quote were heavy users. Heavy users of any drug are going to probably be considered addicted for a multitude of reasons because defining addiction is a moving target.
No where can you find a study that declares cannibus anywhere as addictive as opiate based pain killers and yet cannibus has been shown over and over to be benificial to some, not all, but some people. They should have the right to make an informed decision with regards to their medication if it is so required.
vox veritatis

Grand Rapids, MI

#231 May 5, 2013
Mr Wiggley wrote:
No I don't think you do see...the first two words of your copied quote were heavy users. Heavy users of any drug are going to probably be considered addicted for a multitude of reasons because defining addiction is a moving target.
No where can you find a study that declares cannibus anywhere as addictive as opiate based pain killers and yet cannibus has been shown over and over to be benificial to some, not all, but some people. They should have the right to make an informed decision with regards to their medication if it is so required.
LOL @ you. In one part of your post you claim that a heavy user of anything is probably addicted and yet later on state that cannibus isn't 'near as addictive'...so now you admit that it's addictive? Seems to me that all along you've been claiming that it isn't. The only 'moving target' here is your definition of addiciton, it would seem. BTW...'heavy' user in the study was defined as daily usage...something many pot smokers do, especially when it's for 'pain relief' or 'medical reasons'.(LOL, yeah, right).
You didn't answer my question about nicotine...is it addictive or not?

“Selected Marksman”

Since: Aug 08

Northern Virginia

#232 May 5, 2013
vox veritatis wrote:
<quoted text>
LOL @ you. In one part of your post you claim that a heavy user of anything is probably addicted and yet later on state that cannibus isn't 'near as addictive'...so now you admit that it's addictive? Seems to me that all along you've been claiming that it isn't. The only 'moving target' here is your definition of addiciton, it would seem. BTW...'heavy' user in the study was defined as daily usage...something many pot smokers do, especially when it's for 'pain relief' or 'medical reasons'.(LOL, yeah, right).
You didn't answer my question about nicotine...is it addictive or not?
I'll do my best to be as polite as I can possibly be here...I have repeatdly said that ANYTHING, ANYTHING can be addictive.
Prove me wrong...say it isn't so with links to prove it.
Thanks in advance.
vox veritatis

Grand Rapids, MI

#233 May 5, 2013
Mr Wiggley wrote:
I'll do my best to be as polite as I can possibly be here...I have repeatdly said that ANYTHING, ANYTHING can be addictive.
Prove me wrong...say it isn't so with links to prove it.
Thanks in advance.
You still didn't answer my question about nicotine. And I'll also add...addictive only some of the time? Only to some of the people who use it?
LOL...moving target, indeed.

“Selected Marksman”

Since: Aug 08

Northern Virginia

#234 May 5, 2013
vox veritatis wrote:
<quoted text>
You still didn't answer my question about nicotine. And I'll also add...addictive only some of the time? Only to some of the people who use it?
LOL...moving target, indeed.
Your lack of knowledge with regard to addiction is obvious to the point of disregarding anything you might submit as valid in any conversation here.
Please...consider the obvious...of course nicotine is addictive.
Do you feel like a hero now?? Are you some great "revealer" that I would make some imaginary claim that it was not??

Please child...come to the table with something a bit more substantial...
vox veritatis

Grand Rapids, MI

#235 May 5, 2013
Mr Wiggley wrote:
Please...consider the obvious...of course nicotine is addictive.
.
Ah! Finally an answer. So we've established that nicotine is addictive. Congratulations...you'll be happy to know that experts agree with you. Earlier you stated that the pot smokers in the study who were able to quit and never use again must not have been addicted because they were able to quit implying that a true addict would not be able to quit.
Tell me, then, how is it I (along with thousands of others) was able to quit using nicotine cold turkey and walk away from it and never use it again (8 years now)? Are you going to now claim I wasn't really addicted to it? BTW...I was a 2 PPD smoker for 25 years prior to quitting...think that might qualify as a 'heavy user'.
Seems the lack of knowledge of what addiction is here is on your side of the fence.
pipedream

Grand Blanc, MI

#236 May 5, 2013
vox veritatis wrote:
<quoted text>
Ah! Finally an answer. So we've established that nicotine is addictive. Congratulations...you'll be happy to know that experts agree with you. Earlier you stated that the pot smokers in the study who were able to quit and never use again must not have been addicted because they were able to quit implying that a true addict would not be able to quit.
Tell me, then, how is it I (along with thousands of others) was able to quit using nicotine cold turkey and walk away from it and never use it again (8 years now)? Are you going to now claim I wasn't really addicted to it? BTW...I was a 2 PPD smoker for 25 years prior to quitting...think that might qualify as a 'heavy user'.
Seems the lack of knowledge of what addiction is here is on your side of the fence.
What do you want a medal? You think you're something special? You have unique powers? Hey, here's a thought. Since you were a "heavy user" maybe you'll be stricken with cancer or some other terminal illness and then you can just fade away into the sunset. Or will you be able to beat that too? How's that O care you won't be using going to work out for you?
Oneal

Grand Rapids, MI

#237 May 6, 2013
Here's a Dr's viewon pot:
http://www.raysahelian.com/marijuana.html

As noted, marijuana causes memory loss (among other negative effects) as I stated before and previous poster backed up with another article.

So ... argue the details and severity all you want, but my statement was correct according to a physician, who's opinion I'll take over someone who's ridiculously named himself "Mr Wiggley any day.

As I've stated numerous times, I don't care whether pot is legalized or not, but those that are fighting for it by making ridiculous claims that it's harmless are stupidly supporting it with lies and denial.

I suppose we should expect nothing less from a group of smelly law breakers who willingly choose to kill their brain cells in order to seek enjoyment they can't find without the help of a mind-altering plant.

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