2 young cousins drown in a backyard pool

2 young cousins drown in a backyard pool

There are 497 comments on the WZZM Grand Rapids story from Aug 1, 2007, titled 2 young cousins drown in a backyard pool. In it, WZZM Grand Rapids reports that:

Investigators are on the scene of a drowning in Muskegon Township. Authorities tell WZZM 13 News two 5 year old cousins were swimming this afternoon in an above ground pool when the drowning happened.

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“Congrats to all Graduating”

Since: Aug 07

Muskegon, MI

#488 Sep 2, 2007
I know the parents wrote:
The child that strangled in the car seat was the older sister to Kristina. You need to find other reports also, earlier post I stated about the children of Christina on the roof. VJP...Vicki is that you?<--- Christinas baby sister? You can say not to judge but your not here? What about the kids that are left in the family living this horrible neglect? You know Christina's twin sister Kelly isn't taking care of her kids also? Are they gunna have to drown in twin Lake, because they are left unsupervised? Or what about Trevor stabbing Owen in the foot becasue Trevor got a knife and Kelly said she was asleep at 9:30 am and that it was too early for her to get up? Yeah I know about all CPS that has been called and will continue. You can defend and give piss a$$ excuses....but you know and proof is there. I hope the kids get away from you and your kind period. Those girls cried out for love and got nothing but abuse in return and you turned your back and ignored it by "Not associating" Guess what Karma Sucks and what goes around comes around. I told nothing but the truth and with investigation others have found out and will keep finding out. unfortunately too late for two wonderful angels. I guess you moved away becasue it was hard to watch them get beat or see the dirty hungry faces and see what they lived in. I will be judged and thats okay because I would never hurt a child period. And I wasn't a on looker...I spoke up and will not lie to keep your filthy family name clean. See how much sympathy is here for you and your name?!
You are not being judged, not in a bad way that is.
The things you say, hurt and because of that, I know that U KNOW!
I love the anger you have in you, it tell me that you loved them.
I just want to say thank you again for anything that you may have done for the children, as I said ..I really did not know courtney, but....that dose not make it any less love.
I know that she was serenity's side kick, best friend.
They were 1 month and 1 day apart!
I guess I am going to say this, get mad, it will help you heal.

Since: Aug 07

Grand Rapids

#489 Sep 3, 2007
I know the parents wrote:
To all the people who look at this be careful...You can replace all material possesions in life....Children are irreplacable. Give a hug to a child in memory of Serenity and Courtney. Maybe one day you will see them to get the hug back. Two little girls suffered and lived a horrible life due to neglect and a memorial should be made with the money left over from the funeral cost and its a pity all the parents seem to be worried about the left over money and who going to control it and spend it,then what they lost. A child's love is the closest to God's love because it is unconditional. Unfortunately CPS investigating wasn't enough. I defend no one and do not defend any involved. I have seen and heard things. One day all involved will pay because God sees all and judges all. I'm sorry for those who knew the girls and truly cared...it was so preventable and Serenity and Courtney are finally in a place that they have a perfect love and that is by God. You all can know that they are finally free of the hateful conditions into which they were born. All I can say is God bless and I'm deeply sorry that the loving children I knew and spent time with are gone.
Many of us appreciate your candor and the truth coming out. It seems the ones in question plan on getting away with pinning this all on one person. It is clear to anyone with a brain that charges should be brought against several others.
VJP

Alpena, MI

#490 Sep 4, 2007
hmmmmmmm wrote:
<quoted text>
You stated that you are a new mother, yet you seem not to have a problem with how your sisters are raising (or not) their children, This really worries me. Do you really believe the sister had no responsibility in this just because Chillum was supposed to be in charge. Please! Tell me that you would not consider leaving your baby in the pig sty shown on tv... if you would do that somebody should call CPS on you right now!
My child is well taken care of by the father and myself. And, if anybody ANYBODY says otherwise you have a whole mess of people, headed by myself with the father to deal with.
VJP

Alpena, MI

#491 Sep 4, 2007
I know the parents wrote:
The child that strangled in the car seat was the older sister to Kristina. You need to find other reports also, earlier post I stated about the children of Christina on the roof. VJP...Vicki is that you?<--- Christinas baby sister? You can say not to judge but your not here? What about the kids that are left in the family living this horrible neglect? You know Christina's twin sister Kelly isn't taking care of her kids also? Are they gunna have to drown in twin Lake, because they are left unsupervised? Or what about Trevor stabbing Owen in the foot becasue Trevor got a knife and Kelly said she was asleep at 9:30 am and that it was too early for her to get up? Yeah I know about all CPS that has been called and will continue. You can defend and give piss a$$ excuses....but you know and proof is there. I hope the kids get away from you and your kind period. Those girls cried out for love and got nothing but abuse in return and you turned your back and ignored it by "Not associating" Guess what Karma Sucks and what goes around comes around. I told nothing but the truth and with investigation others have found out and will keep finding out. unfortunately too late for two wonderful angels. I guess you moved away becasue it was hard to watch them get beat or see the dirty hungry faces and see what they lived in. I will be judged and thats okay because I would never hurt a child period. And I wasn't a on looker...I spoke up and will not lie to keep your filthy family name clean. See how much sympathy is here for you and your name?!
Please don't put me in a category with anyone else in my family. I am my own person. There is no "you and your kind" at all. Each person in this family is their own person. And yes, Kristina (note the correct spelling of her name, since you don't know it...funny since you know her so well) has made many mistakes, as have all of us. Me included, although mine have never involved children as I only have ONE. She is trying to get her life back on track, though. She visited my parents for a week, and had Hannah and Ethan. And I didn't move to where I live now to get away from anyone. I moved here because I needed to make a change in my life, I was partying too much in G.R. and needed to grow up. which is what I have been doing over the last few years. And CPS was a pawn Kris and kelly used to use against eachother when they were mad about things, so it's no wonder that when things really did get bad they didn't look more into it. It's just like the boy who cried wolf. Nothing I say will bring those girls back, and I am ashamed that I wasn't there to help. I have to live with that every day. But when you are hearing from them that this is wrong and that is wrong on almost a weekly basis, with CPS doing nothing (according to reports given to the family) it's hard to determine what's real and what is just a vengeful payback for some mis-deed between the twins. If you know them both so well, you know all this, though. And sympathy is not what I want, nor asked for. Give it to those who need it down there.
In the future, please don't assume you know the whole story about any of us, since you don't even know us all.

“Congrats to all Graduating”

Since: Aug 07

Muskegon, MI

#492 Sep 4, 2007
VJP wrote:
<quoted text>
Please don't put me in a category with anyone else in my family. I am my own person. There is no "you and your kind" at all. Each person in this family is their own person. And yes, Kristina (note the correct spelling of her name, since you don't know it...funny since you know her so well) has made many mistakes, as have all of us. Me included, although mine have never involved children as I only have ONE. She is trying to get her life back on track, though. She visited my parents for a week, and had Hannah and Ethan. And I didn't move to where I live now to get away from anyone. I moved here because I needed to make a change in my life, I was partying too much in G.R. and needed to grow up. which is what I have been doing over the last few years. And CPS was a pawn Kris and kelly used to use against eachother when they were mad about things, so it's no wonder that when things really did get bad they didn't look more into it. It's just like the boy who cried wolf. Nothing I say will bring those girls back, and I am ashamed that I wasn't there to help. I have to live with that every day. But when you are hearing from them that this is wrong and that is wrong on almost a weekly basis, with CPS doing nothing (according to reports given to the family) it's hard to determine what's real and what is just a vengeful payback for some mis-deed between the twins. If you know them both so well, you know all this, though. And sympathy is not what I want, nor asked for. Give it to those who need it down there.
In the future, please don't assume you know the whole story about any of us, since you don't even know us all.
It seems like you are going througha lot too, I think I said it before I thought you had mixxed emotions with this.
As far as your partying too much, that was before children I ASSume, and you seem to have yourself on the right track now.
I think most have lived and learned.
It is the peole that will not learn, that is upsetting people.
teh mistakes they make have the untimate sacrafice, the life of a child.
I know that you are hurting, I know you are blameing yourself to some point.
I see that you are even angry , you dont have to say that, I see that when you talk about the games that were played and the effect that it had.

I cant tell you how to feel, all I can say is that people are not trying to be mean to you, but you are saying it yourself.
had these games not taken place, mabye somthing would have been done and these children, 1 or both would still be here.
By law C.P.S is to take every report serious, so to say that thier games is why they didnt, I cant say I agree with you there, but it sheds light to how you feel.
I know these statements seem harsh, but, I think you have some of the same feelings in your heart, its hard to voice it when it is against a loved one.
I do not think you are a bad person at all, I think I can relate to where you are coming from.
stay on the right track, congrats on your baby, please proove people wrong!
I dont say that to be mean, I just hope that you can find strength, take care of yourself and your family and see the wrong in all of this and learn from it..
you too are in my prayers.
Bri

“Congrats to all Graduating”

Since: Aug 07

Muskegon, MI

#493 Sep 4, 2007
VJP wrote:
<quoted text>
My child is well taken care of by the father and myself. And, if anybody ANYBODY says otherwise you have a whole mess of people, headed by myself with the father to deal with.
OOPS!
I didnt see this,
Did she say you didnt? I think she asked you!
and then said if you did then you need C.P.s called, hole on....
this is what she said..........
hmmmmmmm wrote:
<quoted text>
You stated that you are a new mother, yet you seem not to have a problem with how your sisters are raising (or not) their children, This really worries me. Do you really believe the sister had no responsibility in this just because Chillum was supposed to be in charge. Please! Tell me that you would not consider leaving your baby in the pig sty shown on tv... if you would do that somebody should call CPS on you right now!

worries her!!!
NOW, was that a threat to HMMMMMMMMMMMM?
AGAIN, that is in question form.
I dont want to just ASSUME!
let me come down to you real quick so I can make sure you understand this.

DOWN, I know it wasnt a threat, and before you go running your mouth to me with your idle threats, YOU BETTER ASK SOMEBODY!. cause you will need that whole heard of ppl!
I know you feel me........

BACK UP, she would never come at you like that, you know how your people are, why would you cut up like that when she simply asked somthing you OBVIOUSLY do not agree with, no you wouldnt have them take care of your child!
you know you wouldnt.
As you said, do not compare you to them.
Deb

Sterling, VA

#494 Sep 10, 2007
Anyone hear about the fundraiser for the girls? Hopefully it's really for them and not something else.

Since: Aug 07

Grand Rapids

#495 Sep 11, 2007
Deb wrote:
Anyone hear about the fundraiser for the girls? Hopefully it's really for them and not something else.
Is there a legal advocate for the girls protecting the funds from misuse? I know if it was me I would surely have a legally appointed controller for these funds. These funds should be protected. They belong to TWO little girls.
I still don't understand why they needed to have another fundraiser, it would appear that there was plenty raised in the beginning to cover all the costs. Was nobody held accountable for these funds? That money was supposed to cover their burial and headstones, nothing else. A second dipping in the public pocket seems a bit much.

Since: Aug 07

Grand Rapids

#496 Sep 19, 2007
Bri Bri 73 wrote:
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OOPS!
I didnt see this,
Did she say you didnt? I think she asked you!
and then said if you did then you need C.P.s called, hole on....
this is what she said..........
hmmmmmmm wrote:
<quoted text>
You stated that you are a new mother, yet you seem not to have a problem with how your sisters are raising (or not) their children, This really worries me. Do you really believe the sister had no responsibility in this just because Chillum was supposed to be in charge. Please! Tell me that you would not consider leaving your baby in the pig sty shown on tv... if you would do that somebody should call CPS on you right now!
worries her!!!
NOW, was that a threat to HMMMMMMMMMMMM?
AGAIN, that is in question form.
I dont want to just ASSUME!
let me come down to you real quick so I can make sure you understand this.
DOWN, I know it wasnt a threat, and before you go running your mouth to me with your idle threats, YOU BETTER ASK SOMEBODY!. cause you will need that whole heard of ppl!
I know you feel me........
BACK UP, she would never come at you like that, you know how your people are, why would you cut up like that when she simply asked somthing you OBVIOUSLY do not agree with, no you wouldnt have them take care of your child!
you know you wouldnt.
As you said, do not compare you to them.
this one was all the way back on page 3 is this the missing one?

“Congrats to all Graduating”

Since: Aug 07

Muskegon, MI

#497 Sep 19, 2007
one of them, as i told you on myspace I looked 5 pages back for this.IT WASNOT THERE, there is no way that that much news came through overnight.
5 pages?
I think they took it down.
did you find the I FORGIVE HIM?

Since: Aug 07

Grand Rapids

#498 Sep 20, 2007
WZZM Grand Rapids

Pool drownings could have been prevented

now the little one is missing... what is up with this?(Yesterday | post #373)

WZZM Grand Rapids

2 young cousins drown in a backyard pool

this one was all the way back on page 3 is this the missing one?(Yesterday | post #496)

WZZM Grand Rapids

Pool drownings could have been prevented

There are three of these sites listed... log out and log back in ... it will show all the sites you post at.

Since: Aug 07

Grand Rapids

#499 Sep 20, 2007
It also allows you to make your posts private not public.... interesting don't you think for a public forum.

Since: Oct 07

Alpena, MI

#500 Oct 1, 2007
Bri Bri 73 wrote:
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NOBODY knows all the facts of that day, trust me....
I was right htere at the scence and didnt know that he was asleep.this family is like glue, nothing will leak unless one gets mad at the other.If that happens, WATCH OUT!
I am half wondering if that is the case here.
this talks more about kristinas side of the family, she knows what she is talking about but she dose not say much about lori and chilluim, that is what throws me off, and the fact she wont respond to me at all even in a priveat message.
That says a lot to me, most of the family knows me or knows who I am.
NOBODY except chilluim and lori's family knows what is going on now.
I have about had it!
you get em Deb!
I think the biggest problem with this thread is that people don't read prior posts, and get angry about things when the info they need is there.

Since: Aug 07

Grand Rapids

#501 Oct 1, 2007
There hasn't been much posted here lately... it seems that these little girls are being put on a back burner until the family decides to have another fund raiser... for what I am not sure... with all the canisters all over the Muskegon area they should have collected more than enough to pay for the burials and two very nice monuments.

“Congrats to all Graduating”

Since: Aug 07

Muskegon, MI

#502 Oct 1, 2007
Lenas Mom wrote:
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I think the biggest problem with this thread is that people don't read prior posts, and get angry about things when the info they need is there.
I agree to some point on that.
I am guitlt of that sometimes myself, being pretty new I am learning.
HOWEVER in this case, the facts have not been here from day 1.

“Congrats to all Graduating”

Since: Aug 07

Muskegon, MI

#503 Oct 1, 2007
hmmmmmmm wrote:
It also allows you to make your posts private not public.... interesting don't you think for a public forum.
I have mine posted as private, but it is not like people cant go to teh forum and see what I have said.
I didnt think it made sense to read what I said without knowing what was said to make me reply to it, or the convo at hand.
Nephew of Kristina

Houghton, MI

#504 Aug 30, 2012
This whole family is screwed up.
Backstabber's.
Liar's.
Cheat's. ETC.

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