Kids out of control!
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Grand Rapids, MI

#61 Dec 10, 2010
Go Blue wrote:
Yeah, all my dad had to do was look at me, after awhile...lol...
LOL...I thought it was the mom who had 'the look'...you know, the one that can freeze water with a single glance?:>D
Go Blue

Lake Worth, FL

#62 Dec 10, 2010
say what wrote:
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LOL...I thought it was the mom who had 'the look'...you know, the one that can freeze water with a single glance?:>D
I was very fast, she could never catch me....my dad could, he ran track and played football in college....lol....after they split, i lived with her and went to seed...lol...
really

Detroit, MI

#63 Dec 10, 2010
Go Blue wrote:
<quoted text> I was very fast, she could never catch me
LOL...I would have played the 'he's gotta sleep sometime' card.
games are good

Bladenboro, NC

#64 Dec 14, 2010
say what wrote:
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Do you realize that those video games are very much like one of the methods that the miltary used to help soldiers overcome hesitating when it comes to killing? It teaches to shoot first, ask questions later and also helps tone down the psychological barriers most of us have when it comes to killing.
Does it MAKE them do it? No way. Does it make it psychologically EASIER and more likely for them to do it? You bet.
no it does not.

theres a differance between seeing something on a screen and doing it in real life.

tell me how using a controller is the same as using an M4? theres a big differance between seeing pixilated blood to seeing the real thing.

i have played some of the most violent games out there and i work as at VFD near my house. and i can tell you from EXPERIANCE that the two have nothing in commen. i have seen severed limbs people throwing up blood and death itself and NOTHING can fully prepare you for things like that. i have had to explain to parents why there kids are not coming home. i have had to lie to dying kids telling them that there going to be alright after accidents or fires and no game on earth that can desenitize you to things like that. its something you have experiance for real. they cant convey that. does not matter if its military police emt or fire.

thats the truth and nothing but it.
games are good

Bladenboro, NC

#65 Dec 14, 2010
say what wrote:
http://www.psychologicalscienc e.org/pdf/pspi/pspi43.pdf
TV influences behavior. If that were not true, all the advertisers out there wouldn't be dropping big $$ on ads aimed at specific age groups and played during times when that age group is likely to be watching.
so your saying ads have somthing to do with people liking them?

yeah that kind of what an ads FOR.

and for the record: my son watches cartoon network all the time. not once have i seen any ads for things like COD or doom.
say what

Grand Rapids, MI

#66 Dec 14, 2010
games are good wrote:
theres a differance between seeing something on a screen and doing it in real life.
True and until someone experiences it in real life, they have no idea do they? Then again, it seems the military agrees with my assesment and has used video games to prepare soldiers for the 'real thing'. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/...
Can I point out that you are an ADULT and my comments were about TEENS and CHILDREN? As an adult, I'd think you'd be able to understand the difference in psychological and maturational development between the two.
VFD

Lumberton, NC

#67 Dec 14, 2010
say what wrote:
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True and until someone experiences it in real life, they have no idea do they? Then again, it seems the military agrees with my assesment and has used video games to prepare soldiers for the 'real thing'. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/...
Can I point out that you are an ADULT and my comments were about TEENS and CHILDREN? As an adult, I'd think you'd be able to understand the difference in psychological and maturational development between the two.
the only kids that dont know the differance between reality and games are the ones whos parents never taught them the differance. its the ones that think there connected that dont know anything about reality. do you even know the differance between simulation and the real thing? tell me how a controller can teach a kid to kill. cause im pretty sure pressing the x button is alot differant then firing a state of the art weapon in REAL combat. you know its funny they actually did something like this on a show i watched about video game violence.

they took a guy who played tennis video games alot and was really good at them. they gave him a REAL tennis racket and guess what happened?

he failed miserably.

and they also took a 10 year old who played violent video games to a fire range to see if it made him agressive or more affective at shooting. what happened? not only did he not make one shot count (in fact he only got one shot off) he started CRYING.

and you want me to believe this is having an effect? that the army believes this will have an effect? well this aint the first time they have been so horribly wrong about something (manned torpedos anyone?)

all of this fear is made by ignorent irresponsible parents and politicians preying of of it. they said rock and roll whould be amerias downfall. they said comic books were turning kids violent.

this is the same moral panic by the same morons that started the last one and the one before that and the one before that.

redicules and fascist if you ask me.
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Grand Rapids, MI

#68 Dec 15, 2010
VFD wrote:
tell me how a controller can teach a kid to kill.
You don't get it, Atlanta. It's not about teaching kids the SKILL, it's about breaking down the psychological BARRIER that most of us have when it comes to killing. The military figured that out when they were losing so many soldiers because they were hesitating to fire. The video games took away that hesitation as the soldier in the article I quoted said,'I didn't think about it, it was just like playing a video...'. It's about psychological conditioning and it's damned effective.

“Everybody gets one (L)”

Since: Apr 09

United States

#69 Dec 15, 2010
say what wrote:
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Do you realize that those video games are very much like one of the methods that the miltary used to help soldiers overcome hesitating when it comes to killing? It teaches to shoot first, ask questions later and also helps tone down the psychological barriers most of us have when it comes to killing.
Does it MAKE them do it? No way. Does it make it psychologically EASIER and more likely for them to do it? You bet.
So its ok to pass the blame? I've been quite the gamer in my youth. Never at any times have I thought to kill some one, sorry, that seems like a load of BS to me.

And my point is this, why are kids playing them??? Where is mom and dad's oversight?

“Everybody gets one (L)”

Since: Apr 09

United States

#70 Dec 15, 2010
say what wrote:
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You don't get it, Atlanta. It's not about teaching kids the SKILL, it's about breaking down the psychological BARRIER that most of us have when it comes to killing. The military figured that out when they were losing so many soldiers because they were hesitating to fire. The video games took away that hesitation as the soldier in the article I quoted said,'I didn't think about it, it was just like playing a video...'. It's about psychological conditioning and it's damned effective.
Sooo that evil game taught the kids how to reload by pressing X???

Those games are rated M for a reason, NOT MEANT FOR KIDS.. where is mom & dad at?
VFD

Bladenboro, NC

#71 Dec 15, 2010
say what wrote:
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You don't get it, Atlanta. It's not about teaching kids the SKILL, it's about breaking down the psychological BARRIER
so you think that killing computer pixels that let out little else besides AHHH! has the same effect as killing flesh and blood humans?

the first time i played gta 3 as a kid all i did was run down police.

it did not have any effect at all on me. all people are doing are looking for a problem that does not exist.
VFD

Bladenboro, NC

#72 Dec 15, 2010
in fact new studies came out that games have about as much of an effect as movies and comics. no different from any other one.

and can it be any more harmful then watching SAW?
VFD

Bladenboro, NC

#73 Dec 15, 2010
and what about other countries with games? take japan for instance: they have games which i dare not speak of and they have the lowest crime reate in the world.
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Detroit, MI

#74 Dec 15, 2010
VFD wrote:
and what about other countries with games? take japan for instance: they have games which i dare not speak of and they have the lowest crime reate in the world.
I'm open for suggestions on why you think that violence among children and teens has skyrocketed. Okay...you say violent video/movies/tv shows aren't to blame. So...what's the root cause, Einstein?
http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/tjvf...
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Detroit, MI

#75 Dec 15, 2010
VFD wrote:
it did not have any effect at all on me.
You are a study of X = 1, not exactly valid as it applies to an entire culture. Just because you are unaffected does not negate the possibility that others ARE.
VFD

Bladenboro, NC

#76 Dec 15, 2010
say what wrote:
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You are a study of X = 1, not exactly valid as it applies to an entire culture. Just because you are unaffected does not negate the possibility that others ARE.
so far no corralation or link has been found to say that games make people agressive. ther HAVE however been an increasing number of tudies that say that games are no more harmful then any other media.

all i hear from your side is a bunch of assumptions and maybes.

how is it that ever since video games came out that crime has actually been going down?
VFD

Bladenboro, NC

#77 Dec 15, 2010
say what wrote:
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I'm open for suggestions on why you think that violence among children and teens has skyrocketed. Okay...you say violent video/movies/tv shows aren't to blame. So...what's the root cause, Einstein?
http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/tjvf...
how about bad parenting abuse depression stress mental illness and other life experiances? funny how you never hear about those when some ingnorent news reporter or "expert" is blathering about.

plus it does not exactly help your cuase that the majority of people against them know crap about them.

do you know how many times i have explained to people who have never picked up a game in there life and think they know everything about them that the imaginary rape they think is in grand theft auto does not exist?

the willfull ignorence of it is astounding. it just like all the other media that has been demonised by people with no rersponsibility.

it cant be any of those things or a failing education system or bullying or anything else like that right? IT HAS TO BE A VIDEO GAME RIGHT?!
Flawed

Sandusky, OH

#78 Dec 15, 2010
say what wrote:
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I'm open for suggestions on why you think that violence among children and teens has skyrocketed. Okay...you say violent video/movies/tv shows aren't to blame. So...what's the root cause, Einstein?
http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/tjvf...
3 words...

Lack of Parenting.

I love that you use a study from 1996. Let's see what Games were on the market at that time of the research, 1994 - 1995...

http://games.toptenreviews.com/list_ranking_p...

Also look at page 8 - table 2, of the very study you linked to, and tell me what demographic jumps out at you, and then look at the beginning of the study where the factors are weighed in... From page 2: "Most do not have full-time parental supervision at home guiding their development and supervising their behavior."

Again... Lack of Parenting.
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Grand Rapids, MI

#79 Dec 15, 2010
VFD wrote:
<quoted text> how about bad parenting abuse depression stress mental illness and other life experiances? funny how you never hear about those when some ingnorent news reporter or "expert" is blathering about.
All of those have been around since children have been around. That doesn't explain the increase in teen violence in the past 2-3 decades, which, interestingly, correlate with the advent and proliferation of violent games and films. I'd love to hear your theories on that.
say what

Grand Rapids, MI

#80 Dec 15, 2010
Flawed wrote:
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3 words...
Lack of Parenting.
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Ok...please explain to me how that causes children and teens to become more violent or are you suggesting that children are inherently violent and it's only the presence of a parent 24/7 that prevents them from acting out on those inherent violent tendencies?

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