Now sick babies go on death pathway

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#1 Nov 30, 2012
Good Day,

Sickening...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-22400...

Steelie

Since: Sep 08

Muskegon

#2 Nov 30, 2012
Fluids and nutrition should never be withheld.
vox veritatis

Grand Rapids, MI

#3 Dec 1, 2012
It's only a matter of time before we see this here. In fact, we already are seeing it here. When $$ becomes all that matters, the innocent and helpless suffer and die.
Radell, what are you proposing instead? That these infants be euthanized by lethal injection like a dog or cat at the local pound?

Since: Sep 08

Muskegon

#4 Dec 1, 2012
vox veritatis wrote:
It's only a matter of time before we see this here. In fact, we already are seeing it here. When $$ becomes all that matters, the innocent and helpless suffer and die.
Radell, what are you proposing instead? That these infants be euthanized by lethal injection like a dog or cat at the local pound?
We are not already seeing it here. Withholding water and nutrition is not ethical in the US. Pain relief and hydration and nutrition are essentials of humane care for anyone. What are you proposing, instead of spreading fear and lies?
vox veritatis

Grand Rapids, MI

#5 Dec 2, 2012
radell wrote:
We are not already seeing it here. Withholding water and nutrition is not ethical in the US.
Forgot about Terri Schiavo already did you? Her case is merely the one that made the news. I can tell you for a fact that this happens on a regular basis all over the country to people of all ages. As a matter of law, courts in almost every state have ruled that a competent individual has a right to refuse life-support systems and even food and water. The courts have further established that if competent individuals have a right to reject medical treatment or food and water, the same right can be exercised "on behalf of" an incompetent individual by a court or guardian deciding in the best interest of the patient.
Welcome to Obamacare. Hope you have a written medical directive plan somewhere safe that your doctor knows about.

Since: Sep 08

Muskegon

#6 Dec 2, 2012
vox veritatis wrote:
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Forgot about Terri Schiavo already did you? Her case is merely the one that made the news. I can tell you for a fact that this happens on a regular basis all over the country to people of all ages. As a matter of law, courts in almost every state have ruled that a competent individual has a right to refuse life-support systems and even food and water. The courts have further established that if competent individuals have a right to reject medical treatment or food and water, the same right can be exercised "on behalf of" an incompetent individual by a court or guardian deciding in the best interest of the patient.
Welcome to Obamacare. Hope you have a written medical directive plan somewhere safe that your doctor knows about.
You still didn't say what you propose. And are you saying that competent individuals who choose to refuse food and water should be force fed and hydrated? It would seem so.
free thinker

Farmington, MI

#7 Dec 3, 2012
radell wrote:
And are you saying that competent individuals who choose to refuse food and water should be force fed and hydrated? It would seem so.
You started out stating that food and water should NEVER be withheld. Sounds like now you're changing your mind.

Since: Sep 08

Muskegon

#8 Dec 3, 2012
free thinker wrote:
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You started out stating that food and water should NEVER be withheld. Sounds like now you're changing your mind.
Only if you don't understand English. Withheld is different from forcing it on someone who refuses. You didn't answer my question.
Really

Traverse City, MI

#9 Dec 3, 2012
free thinker wrote:
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You started out stating that food and water should NEVER be withheld. Sounds like now you're changing your mind.
You might as well not answer her. She never answers your questions and you will never answer to suit her anyway. She just loves to argue.
vox veritatis

Grand Rapids, MI

#10 Dec 3, 2012
radell wrote:
You still didn't say what you propose. And are you saying that competent individuals who choose to refuse food and water should be force fed and hydrated? It would seem so.
a) I'm not the one who posted all indignent about babies being euthanized via witholding of fluids and nutrients...if you don't like that, propose something else. I didn't say I had a problem with it, I'm just curious what you propose as an alternative since these babies are going to be euthanized one way or another although I do find it ironic what we as a society dispose of our unwanted children in a less humane manner than we dispose of our unwanted animals.
b) when you apologize for calling me a liar, we can have a discussion. Until then, bugger off, you self-righteous little biotch.
Killem

Byron Center, MI

#11 Dec 3, 2012
progressives shall be executed. there is no other way.

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