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Farmington, MI

#101 Aug 3, 2010
balderdash wrote:
I suppose you all think it's fine to build that trophy Church across the street from the towers.
Maybe someone should open a rib joint right next door...one that's open and cooking pork ribs 24/7. I suspect we'd find out just how tolerant that group is pretty quickly.

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Since: Apr 08

mayberry usa

#102 Aug 3, 2010
Amazarak wrote:
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"Whenever we read the obscene stories, the voluptuous debaucheries, the cruel and torturous executions, the unrelenting vindictiveness, with which more than half the Bible is filled, it would be more consistent that we called it the word of a demon, than the word of God. It is a history of wickedness, that has served to corrupt and brutalize mankind." - Thomas Paine (The Age of Reason, 1794-1795.)
"During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What have been its fruits? More or less in all places, pride and indolence in the Clergy, ignorance and servility in the laity; in both, superstition, bigotry and persecution." - James Madison (Memorial and Remonstrance against Religious Assessments, 1785.)
"The civil rights of none shall be abridged on account of religious belief or worship, nor shall any national religion be established, nor shall the full and equal rights of conscience be in any manner, or on any pretence, infringed.''- James Madison (Original wording of the First Amendment; Annals of Congress 434 (June 8, 1789).)
"Question with boldness even the existence of a god." - Thomas Jefferson (letter to Peter Carr, 10 August 1787)
"Is uniformity attainable? Millions of innocent men, women, and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one half the world fools and the other half hypocrites. To support roguery and error
all over the earth." - Thomas Jefferson (Notes on Virginia, 1782; from George Seldes, ed., The Great Quotations, Secaucus, New Jersey: Citadel Press, 1983, p. 363.)
"As to religion, I hold it to be the indispensable duty of government to protect all conscientious protesters thereof, and I know of no other business government has to do therewith." - Thomas Paine (Common Sense, 1776.)
Exactly why the framers of our government established that no state religion, no forced religion, and no impediments to the practice of religion would be allowed in the U.S. Is this a great country or what?
commie

Clare, MI

#103 Aug 3, 2010
All churches start paying taxes or burn them all down

Since: Jun 07

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#105 Aug 3, 2010
say what wrote:
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When they were confiscated, not when they were burned. Again...why is it such an offense to burn the Quran and not an offense for our own government to burn Bibles?
They were collected under Bush and you've provided no evidence they were held until Obama took office then burned, and I can't find a single source that suggests they were. The CNN article says the incident happened a year earlier, when Bush was still President.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#106 Aug 3, 2010
say what wrote:
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When they were confiscated, not when they were burned. Again...why is it such an offense to burn the Quran and not an offense for our own government to burn Bibles?
Already answered. Military rules to protect soldiers.

See post #81

If you have a problem with what the military did under Bush then you should give them your suggestion on what you think is the proper way to collect and dispose of contraband.
yawn

United States

#107 Aug 3, 2010
Arctic49519 wrote:
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They were collected under Bush and you've provided no evidence they were held until Obama took office then burned, and I can't find a single source that suggests they were. The CNN article says the incident happened a year earlier, when Bush was still President.
What your article actually says is this: "The unsolicited Bibles sent by a church in the United States were confiscated about a year ago"...

The bibles were confiscated a year ago, your article doesn't say when they were burned. In fact, after a web search the one piece of information that is missing from EVERY article is when the burning took place.

In the end, it doesn't matter. It's not illegal to burn books. It doesn't matter if it's the bible, koran, or harry potter. Although I will say that the christians that burned harry potter got me interested enough to read the books. What I found was a wonderfully written series that I thoroughly enjoyed. And if people hadn't burned the books, I probably wouldn't have read them. Same thing with the catholics and the davinci code. Excellent story that I might have missed out on reading!

So let them burn books. It's stupid because it backfires every time.
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Farmington, MI

#108 Aug 3, 2010
Arctic49519 wrote:
If you have a problem with what the military did
If you have a problem with any individual group burning religious books, you should have just as much problem with the government doing it as any other group. In fact, you should have a bigger problem with the government doing it since in this case, they are favoring one religion (Islam) over another (Christian).
You have yet to justify why it was necessary for the military to burn the Bibles rather than send them back stateside.
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Farmington, MI

#109 Aug 3, 2010
Arctic49519 wrote:
you should give them your suggestion on what you think is the proper way to collect and dispose of contraband.
I believe someone within their own ranks already has and agrees that it was unnecessary to burn the Bibles.

"military analyst and Pentagon adviser, Lt. Col. Robert Maginnis, criticized the move. "There is no need to burn the Bibles. They could have been shipped back," he said. "Just imagine if we, the same the United States military, were to take a bunch of Korans and burn them. I can imagine the ramifications across the world."
http://www.worthynews.com/5740-outrage-over-u...

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Since: Aug 08

Maryland

#110 Aug 3, 2010
say what wrote:
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I believe someone within their own ranks already has and agrees that it was unnecessary to burn the Bibles.
"military analyst and Pentagon adviser, Lt. Col. Robert Maginnis, criticized the move. "There is no need to burn the Bibles. They could have been shipped back," he said. "Just imagine if we, the same the United States military, were to take a bunch of Korans and burn them. I can imagine the ramifications across the world."
http://www.worthynews.com/5740-outrage-over-u...
I could care less if they burn any bible...from any religion...
What the h3ll good would a bunch of bibles written in another language do back here...in America?? Encourage more folks to want their "homeland" language to be forcefully taught in our schools?? Not on my watch...
And I haven't even started on why should anyone care about a story book being burned...it's a moot point...give it up...
Now if they burned the same number of copies of "Stranger In A Strange Land"...I might get upset...
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Grand Rapids, MI

#111 Aug 3, 2010
Mr Wiggley wrote:
And I haven't even started on why should anyone care about a story book being burned
Why don't you ask Arty here and several others who seem to be aghast enough that a group would burn a holy book to start a thread about it...at least when it's a Quran. Burning Bibles they seem to be all for.

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Since: Aug 08

Maryland

#112 Aug 3, 2010
say what wrote:
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Why don't you ask Arty here and several others who seem to be aghast enough that a group would burn a holy book to start a thread about it...at least when it's a Quran. Burning Bibles they seem to be all for.
I doubt that Arty is actually against someone/anyone is burning some "holy book"...
Burn them all...
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Grand Rapids, MI

#113 Aug 3, 2010
Mr Wiggley wrote:
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I doubt that Arty is actually against someone/anyone is burning some "holy book"...
Burn them all...
LOL...you mean he really doesn't give a damn about some group burning a Quran and just started this thread to stir shit? So...so sum up Arty's position: a group of citizens burning the Quran = bad and intolerant. Government sanctioned burning of Bibles = good and justifed. Yeah...that sounds about right.
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Grand Rapids, MI

#114 Aug 3, 2010
Arctic49519 wrote:
Maybe you can explain to us why one english-speaking American soldier would need a crate of bibles written in afghan?
Maybe if you read your own linked articles, you'd already know the answer to that:

"The unsolicited Bibles sent by a church in the United States"

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Grand Rapids, MI

#115 Aug 3, 2010
Bob wrote:

But regardless, let's just say from 1789 for the next two hundred or so, I didn't see too many attacks from middle easterners here in our country.
No, but for centuries before, Muslims inavaded and slaughtered in the name of their religion, specifically in the name of converting the world to Islam; their 'conversion' method was 'convert or die'. We are certainly not the first to have been their targets of violence nor will we be the last.

Since: Jun 07

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#116 Aug 3, 2010
say what wrote:
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If you have a problem with any individual group burning religious books, you should have just as much problem with the government doing it as any other group. In fact, you should have a bigger problem with the government doing it since in this case, they are favoring one religion (Islam) over another (Christian).
You have yet to justify why it was necessary for the military to burn the Bibles rather than send them back stateside.
It obviously wasn't a case of favoring one religion over another. The military fobids soldiers from trying to recruit foreigners into any religion.

This is merely another case of christians whining because they weren't allowed the "freedom" to break the rules everyone else had to follow, and in this case, weren't allowed the "freedom" to endanger other soldiers or harm the reputation of the US.
Our soldiers were there to represent the US, not to pimp religious propaganda.

The military already said why they burned them. Didn't you even read it?
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Grand Rapids, MI

#117 Aug 3, 2010
Arctic49519 wrote:
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It obviously wasn't a case of favoring one religion over another. The military fobids soldiers from trying to recruit foreigners into any religion.
The action was taken in response to criticism from an Islamic group. I'd say that's favoring one religion over another. The Bibles never left the base, so why should they have their panties in a twist over it?
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Grand Rapids, MI

#118 Aug 3, 2010
Arctic49519 wrote:
The military already said why they burned them. Didn't you even read it?
Someone in the military also said that burning wasn't necessary. Didn't you read it?

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#119 Aug 3, 2010
say what wrote:
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LOL...you mean he really doesn't give a damn about some group burning a Quran and just started this thread to stir shit? So...so sum up Arty's position: a group of citizens burning the Quran = bad and intolerant. Government sanctioned burning of Bibles = good and justifed. Yeah...that sounds about right.
The only thing the two stories have in common is christians trying to impose their religion on others.

The military incident is a non-issue, especially since it didn't even happen on U.S. soil.
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Grand Rapids, MI

#120 Aug 3, 2010
Arctic49519 wrote:
This is merely another case of christians whining because they weren't allowed the "freedom" to break the rules everyone else had to follow,
This is another case of Arty whining because a group of Christians used their freedom to do something the government had already done before.
Dan Bana

United States

#121 Aug 3, 2010
Arctic49519 wrote:
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It obviously wasn't a case of favoring one religion over another. The military fobids soldiers from trying to recruit foreigners into any religion.
This is merely another case of christians whining because they weren't allowed the "freedom" to break the rules everyone else had to follow, and in this case, weren't allowed the "freedom" to endanger other soldiers or harm the reputation of the US.
Our soldiers were there to represent the US, not to pimp religious propaganda.
The military already said why they burned them. Didn't you even read it?
Expecting them to read the whole story and get the facts straight is really asking too much. It is just like this crap about the Mosque in Manhattan, it is 2.5 blocks from the so called Ground Zero, how many blocks do the Teabaggers want it away before their whiny sensitive little dispositions can take it. I understand Mayor Bloomberg has ok'd the location. I listened to Limbo try to blame President Obama for choosing the location this afternoon. This, like the Bibles, Sherrod, Black Panthers are more fabricated controversies designed to give Limbo, Hannity and Beck something to rant about.

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