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say what wrote:
BTW...where was your outrage when our own government participated in this action or where you okay with it because it was Bibles being burned to appease Muslims?
http://the-vigilante.com/2010/04/21/pentagon-...
Here is a more rational account of what happened:
http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapcf/05/20/u...

The military prohibits soldiers of any faith from religious recruiting of people in other countries because it is a threat to the safety of our troops and could cause hatred towards America. Muslim extremists would love to make the case that they are in a holy war and irresponsible behavior like that gives them ammunition.

Bringing bibles to afghanistan for distribution by one soldier was an incredibly stupid thing to do, and the bibles were burned to prevent them from being leaked and giving the appearance the U.S. was trying to convert their citizens. These were not soldiers' personal bibles like your biased article misleads, but were written in afghan language.

Our soldiers are there to represent America, not to convert people to christianity or any other faith, or to a lack of a faith.
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Bob wrote:
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Texas math book?
How long has the USA been around?
You forgot when the Declaration of Independence was signed? Did they leave it out of your textbook there, Bob? Or maybe, you define 'several hundred' differently than most.

"Definition of several (determiner)
three or more, but not many"
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Arctic49519 wrote:
the bibles were burned to prevent them from being leaked and giving the appearance the U.S. was trying to convert their citizens.
LOL..in other words, Obama bowed to the Muslims. I take it the Military wasn't smart enough to figure out how to send the Bibles back to the US rather then burning them?
I knew you'd justify it, Arty, and you didn't dissapoint.

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<quoted text>You got that right, and if they had there way(radical Islam terrorists). we would all either be forced to pray and accept ala or face a big knife. There is no freedom if radical Islam has its way with the world. All of these anti Christian posters would beg to have things back the way it was.
There would be no freedom if the christian extremists or any other religious extremists had their way.

I find the christian extremists to be a far greater threat to this country than any muslim extremists. Look at what they've managed to do with the Texas textbook lunacy and how they are always trying to end separation of church and state and force christianity upon the country.
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Arctic49519 wrote:
The military prohibits soldiers of any faith from religious recruiting of people in other countries because it is a threat to the safety of our troops and could cause hatred towards America.
It does not, however, prohibit them from having Bibles. So...did they also confiscate and burn Qurans? I'm sure there were more than a few copies of those floating around.

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say what wrote:
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LOL..in other words, Obama bowed to the Muslims. I take it the Military wasn't smart enough to figure out how to send the Bibles back to the US rather then burning them?
I knew you'd justify it, Arty, and you didn't dissapoint.
What evidence do you have that Obama ordered the burning of those bibles? Or that it was anything other than to uphold military policy forbidding the attempt to recruit foreigners into religion and to protect soldiers?
Maybe you should take a look at the source of your grossly distorted link.

Oh wait... I forgot who I'm talking to...
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say what wrote:
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It does not, however, prohibit them from having Bibles. So...did they also confiscate and burn Qurans? I'm sure there were more than a few copies of those floating around.
The soldiers probably are allowed to have personal bibles, qurans, etc. for their own use.

Maybe you can explain to us why one english-speaking American soldier would need a crate of bibles written in afghan?
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say what wrote:
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You forgot when the Declaration of Independence was signed? Did they leave it out of your textbook there, Bob? Or maybe, you define 'several hundred' differently than most.
"Definition of several (determiner)
three or more, but not many"
Ah, the definition queen!

Well then for the sake of meeting such strict standards, why do you mention the declaration of independence when it was the adoption of the constitution that formed the USA.

But regardless, let's just say from 1789 for the next two hundred or so, I didn't see too many attacks from middle easterners here in our country. Did you? Maybe you went on the crusades during that time.

I sure hope that clears things up and doesn't make you look like a knuckle dragging fool. Have a nice day!

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say what wrote:
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LOL..in other words, Obama bowed to the Muslims.
Take another look at the CNN article.

It's dated May 22, 2009.

The article clearly states the bibles were confiscated a year earlier.

Your biased "article" says the video aired May 9, 2009, but it leaves out that the footage was a year old, as explained in the CNN article.

Bush was president.

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Take another look at the CNN article.
It's dated May 22, 2009.
The article clearly states the bibles were confiscated a year earlier.
Your biased "article" says the video aired May 9, 2009, but it leaves out that the footage was a year old, as explained in the CNN article.
Bush was president.

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Arctic49519 wrote:
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There would be no freedom if the christian extremists or any other religious extremists had their way.
I find the christian extremists to be a far greater threat to this country than any muslim extremists. Look at what they've managed to do with the Texas textbook lunacy and how they are always trying to end separation of church and state and force christianity upon the country.
Both are dangerous, although I guess for different reasons. If I had to choose to have dinner with one of them, I guess I would choose the Christian extremist, simply because they tend to leave your head attached to your shoulders if you disagree with them. I don't want either group running my country.

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Yeah...at least something during the Bush years got done right.

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Arctic49519 wrote:
Amazing that this goes on in modern society.
The Dove World Outreach Center, a nondenominational christian church in Gainesville Florida is inviting christians to attend a public quran book burning on September 11th.
http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/07/29/florida.burn...
This church is also planning a protest against the mayor of Gainesville for being gay.
I'm not certain that I'd call that a "Christian Church".
More like a handfull of exteamist's.
Looks more like some inbred hillbilly's in Florida, who have too much time on their hands.
Most Christians are more tolarant of other religions and their beleifs.
But then you wouldnt know about that. Would you?
You claim anyone who has any thoughts that dont mirror your own atheist beliefs are idiots!
In fact, you are so intollarant of anyone else who believes any different that what you atheists belive, that I wouldnt be surprised to see someone like as a member there!
http://www.doveworld.org/the-sign
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how about deep fat frying it in pork fat with a little booze added and dirty foot socks, THEN burn them.
All below a picture of mohamed that isn't facing mecca..

That is how much I care, big flipping deal, man you guys are turning into a bunch of apologists or something.

I suppose you all think it's fine to build that trophy Church across the street from the towers.

Nothing like rubbing our nose in dead people so they feel they have victory.

Don't you guys realize any of the radicals would just eliminate you, all they know and respect is death and us or them.

so burning that thing don't matter to me.

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It doesn't matter if you believe if that is a true "Christian Church" or not. It matters how the people in Afghanistan perceive it, and if the soldiers are putting the lives of other Afghanistan people and/or the other soldiers in danger by trying to shove their belief down others throats. I believe we all saw that on 9/11.

Bush was right to confiscate the bibles. Hostile territory against Christians, and trying to give as gifts, like Saywhat's article said, it wasn't illegal, but it was unsafe. We want our soldiers to come home alive.
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<quoted text>I'm not certain that I'd call that a "Christian Church".
More like a handfull of exteamist's.
Looks more like some inbred hillbilly's in Florida, who have too much time on their hands.
Most Christians are more tolarant of other religions and their beleifs.
But then you wouldnt know about that. Would you?
You claim anyone who has any thoughts that dont mirror your own atheist beliefs are idiots!
In fact, you are so intollarant of anyone else who believes any different that what you atheists belive, that I wouldnt be surprised to see someone like as a member there!
http://www.doveworld.org/the-sign

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4boys-1princess wrote:
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If you want words referencing God, how about "Creator or Supreme Judge of the World". The thing is, the men who wrote the constitution did not live in an intellectual vacuum. They were great intellectuals, these men, and much of the writings were biblically based. The great documents we have today did not just jump from someones mind willy nilly. The founders were influenced by their religious beliefs, and the ideas of others just as we all are. Their beliefs sprang from a Reformation foundation. These teachings produced the idea against the deity of kings, and that since all men are sinners, no man is superior to another. The twin principals of liberty and equality sprang from these ideas. Other forms of government, including dictatorships, do not share these beliefs. As for spreading the ideals of freedom and liberty to others in the world, the question should not be how do you justify it, but how do you not?
"Whenever we read the obscene stories, the voluptuous debaucheries, the cruel and torturous executions, the unrelenting vindictiveness, with which more than half the Bible is filled, it would be more consistent that we called it the word of a demon, than the word of God. It is a history of wickedness, that has served to corrupt and brutalize mankind." - Thomas Paine (The Age of Reason, 1794-1795.)

"During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What have been its fruits? More or less in all places, pride and indolence in the Clergy, ignorance and servility in the laity; in both, superstition, bigotry and persecution." - James Madison (Memorial and Remonstrance against Religious Assessments, 1785.)

"The civil rights of none shall be abridged on account of religious belief or worship, nor shall any national religion be established, nor shall the full and equal rights of conscience be in any manner, or on any pretence, infringed.''- James Madison (Original wording of the First Amendment; Annals of Congress 434 (June 8, 1789).)

"Question with boldness even the existence of a god." - Thomas Jefferson (letter to Peter Carr, 10 August 1787)

"Is uniformity attainable? Millions of innocent men, women, and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one half the world fools and the other half hypocrites. To support roguery and error
all over the earth." - Thomas Jefferson (Notes on Virginia, 1782; from George Seldes, ed., The Great Quotations, Secaucus, New Jersey: Citadel Press, 1983, p. 363.)

"As to religion, I hold it to be the indispensable duty of government to protect all conscientious protesters thereof, and I know of no other business government has to do therewith." - Thomas Paine (Common Sense, 1776.)

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Amazarak wrote:
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"Whenever we read the obscene stories, the voluptuous debaucheries, the cruel and torturous executions, the unrelenting vindictiveness, with which more than half the Bible is filled, it would be more consistent that we called it the word of a demon, than the word of God. It is a history of wickedness, that has served to corrupt and brutalize mankind." - Thomas Paine (The Age of Reason, 1794-1795.)
"During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What have been its fruits? More or less in all places, pride and indolence in the Clergy, ignorance and servility in the laity; in both, superstition, bigotry and persecution." - James Madison (Memorial and Remonstrance against Religious Assessments, 1785.)
"The civil rights of none shall be abridged on account of religious belief or worship, nor shall any national religion be established, nor shall the full and equal rights of conscience be in any manner, or on any pretence, infringed.''- James Madison (Original wording of the First Amendment; Annals of Congress 434 (June 8, 1789).)
"Question with boldness even the existence of a god." - Thomas Jefferson (letter to Peter Carr, 10 August 1787)
"Is uniformity attainable? Millions of innocent men, women, and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one half the world fools and the other half hypocrites. To support roguery and error
all over the earth." - Thomas Jefferson (Notes on Virginia, 1782; from George Seldes, ed., The Great Quotations, Secaucus, New Jersey: Citadel Press, 1983, p. 363.)
"As to religion, I hold it to be the indispensable duty of government to protect all conscientious protesters thereof, and I know of no other business government has to do therewith." - Thomas Paine (Common Sense, 1776.)
Government versus religion, What you presented here is the fact that our founders knew that religion and government when left unchecked turn into evil things. That is why they wrote a constitution which recognizes individual sovereignty.
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Arctic49519 wrote:
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What evidence do you have that Obama ordered the burning of those bibles?
He is the CIC is he not?
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Arctic49519 wrote:
Maybe you can explain to us why one english-speaking American soldier would need a crate of bibles written in afghan?
Maybe you can explain to me why it's okay to burn Bibles but not any other book? Maybe you can explain to me why the Bibles had to be burned rather than just shipped back to the US?
Oh, wait...you can't.
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Arctic49519 wrote:

Bush was president.
When they were confiscated, not when they were burned. Again...why is it such an offense to burn the Quran and not an offense for our own government to burn Bibles?

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