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#41 Aug 1, 2010
Steelie wrote:
Good Day,
Huh, that was wierd... I got some javascript/cookies message a then I see a double post, huh...
Steelie
I just got the same thing, Steelie. Must have been a glitch in the matrix, but all appears well now.

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#42 Aug 1, 2010
jvc2 wrote:
This is not a question of free speech as much as it is a question of what Christ taught.They are not acting in a "Christian-like" way by burning the Quran. Actions speak louder than words. If that is how Christians act, I want no part of Christianity, because they are no better than the radical Muslims. Jesus taught us to love one another. He did not say love one another unless you disagree with someone. I don't condone the acts of radical Muslims, and I don't condone the acts of radical Christians.
Good Day,

Good point! Don't they have anything better to do with their time?

Steelie
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Grand Rapids, MI

#43 Aug 2, 2010
Arctic49519 wrote:

I also don't know of anyone on this forum who thinks it's cool to burn the flag.
No, they just want to piss on it and since you seem to be okay with that, I take it you would be okay with this group pissing on a Quran instead of burning it?

“the baby who would be king!!!!”

Since: Jan 07

fort worth

#44 Aug 2, 2010
Arctic49519 wrote:
Amazing that this goes on in modern society.
The Dove World Outreach Center, a nondenominational christian church in Gainesville Florida is inviting christians to attend a public quran book burning on September 11th.
http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/07/29/florida.burn...
This church is also planning a protest against the mayor of Gainesville for being gay.
disgusting !
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Grand Rapids, MI

#45 Aug 2, 2010
GR Pete wrote:
This is clearly an act of racism
How so since being Muslim is not a RACE, but a RELIGION? Gawd...you all are so eager to play the race card, you throw it on actions it doesn't even apply to.
Sandy

Grandville, MI

#46 Aug 2, 2010
say what wrote:
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How so since being Muslim is not a RACE, but a RELIGION? Gawd...you all are so eager to play the race card, you throw it on actions it doesn't even apply to.
That's because they don't have anything else left to play. The race card is a desperate act from a bunch of people who have nothing left but name calling and race baiting.
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Grand Rapids, MI

#47 Aug 2, 2010
BTW...where was your outrage when our own government participated in this action or where you okay with it because it was Bibles being burned to appease Muslims?

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#48 Aug 2, 2010
say what wrote:
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How so since being Muslim is not a RACE, but a RELIGION? Gawd...you all are so eager to play the race card, you throw it on actions it doesn't even apply to.
Agreed. Anyone who criticizes Islam is labeled a racist. BS.... I can criticize whatever religion I want. It's not being racist, it's being rational.

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Since: Jan 09

the universe

#49 Aug 2, 2010
scambuster wrote:
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Agreed. Anyone who criticizes Islam is labeled a racist. BS.... I can criticize whatever religion I want. It's not being racist, it's being rational.
You got that right, and if they had there way(radical Islam terrorists). we would all either be forced to pray and accept ala or face a big knife. There is no freedom if radical Islam has its way with the world. All of these anti Christian posters would beg to have things back the way it was.
Dan Bana

Hudsonville, MI

#50 Aug 2, 2010
say what wrote:
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How so since being Muslim is not a RACE, but a RELIGION? Gawd...you all are so eager to play the race card, you throw it on actions it doesn't even apply to.
Ok, it is an act of religious discrimination by folks that are clearly racist since they are targeting Arabs, that makes it a lot better doesn't it. This is all about guys like Rushbo, Hannity and Breitboy getting caught with their racist drawers down and deciding that rather than apologize they are going to attack special interest groups organized to fight discrimination against minorities as being racist because their goal is the uplifting of a minorities situation.

Rant and rave about the NAACP, NOW and other special interest groups but their war against male WASPS is still not over, does not look like it will be over any time soon and is not racism, it is fighting back and the lots of crackers feel a bit threatened because their over two century reign of terror is over.

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mayberry usa

#51 Aug 2, 2010
The burning of the Quran will not eliminate the message from being disseminated. If you disagree with the message in the book, as this church obviously does, its better to read it yourself so you can discuss and debate intelligently the ideas it contains.
Dan Bana

Hudsonville, MI

#52 Aug 2, 2010
John Kerry wrote:
<quoted text>You are void between the ears....whether or not you choose to acknowledge it, this country was founded on CHRISTIAN beliefs. READ some of the founding documents. The fact that you can practice any religion you chose is a freedom granted to you, but make no mistake about it: this country was founded on CHRISTIAN beliefs.
Hard to believe folks can be this ignorant about the founding of the current U.S. government, this must come from listening to way too much Hannity, Limbaugh, Beck, Dobson, Falwell, Robertson, Hagee and similar idiots. Sad to see that this is what conservative values has become.

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GR

#53 Aug 2, 2010
Dan Bana wrote:
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Hard to believe folks can be this ignorant about the founding of the current U.S. government, this must come from listening to way too much Hannity, Limbaugh, Beck, Dobson, Falwell, Robertson, Hagee and similar idiots. Sad to see that this is what conservative values has become.
LOL ... As opposed to what comes from the high-water mark of liberal values laid down by Waters, Rangel, Gore, Clinton, Frank, Kwame, Axelrod, Van Jones, Dohrn, Ayers, Gates, Sherrod, Maddow, Garafalo, Whoopie, Rev Wright, etc. etc, etc ...

I think they tried plugging the leaky well head with liberal values but there weren't enough, so they had to go with something more valuable ... mud.

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Since: Apr 08

mayberry usa

#54 Aug 2, 2010
Dan Bana wrote:
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Hard to believe folks can be this ignorant about the founding of the current U.S. government, this must come from listening to way too much Hannity, Limbaugh, Beck, Dobson, Falwell, Robertson, Hagee and similar idiots. Sad to see that this is what conservative values has become.
I think that maybe we as Americans are so used to our form of government and the rights we have, that we don't realize that this is not the way most humans on earth live. Under our founding documents, we are endowed "by our Creator" the rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Feel free to ask any Iranian you wish if those rights, or any others are given freely in their country, under Islamic religious principles. We are truly blessed in this country.
Instead of burning books that contain ideas we find harmful to our way of life, maybe we should be teaching our children how to think and express themselves in a way that could convince others of our way of thinking. To do that though, people need to actually read and analyze what they read to make an informed argument. Calling people names won't sway anyone's opinion.

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Since: Apr 09

Lansing, MI

#55 Aug 2, 2010
Arctic49519 wrote:
Amazing that this goes on in modern society.
The Dove World Outreach Center, a nondenominational christian church in Gainesville Florida is inviting christians to attend a public quran book burning on September 11th.
http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/07/29/florida.burn...
This church is also planning a protest against the mayor of Gainesville for being gay.
some churches just bug me, it's like they only read the old testament...

If this story read as it says,(i'm blocked from CNN on this wireless network) as a Christian i disagree with this

Since: Sep 08

Grand Rapids, MI

#56 Aug 2, 2010
4boys-1princess wrote:
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I think that maybe we as Americans are so used to our form of government and the rights we have, that we don't realize that this is not the way most humans on earth live. Under our founding documents, we are endowed "by our Creator" the rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Feel free to ask any Iranian you wish if those rights, or any others are given freely in their country, under Islamic religious principles. We are truly blessed in this country.
Instead of burning books that contain ideas we find harmful to our way of life, maybe we should be teaching our children how to think and express themselves in a way that could convince others of our way of thinking. To do that though, people need to actually read and analyze what they read to make an informed argument. Calling people names won't sway anyone's opinion.
The Declaration of Independence is NOT a founding or legally significant doucment in the creation of our government. In fact if you recall 6th grade history there was another government in between the Declaration and our current Constitution.
Bob

Big Rapids, MI

#57 Aug 2, 2010
4boys-1princess wrote:
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I think that maybe we as Americans are so used to our form of government and the rights we have, that we don't realize that this is not the way most humans on earth live. Under our founding documents, we are endowed "by our Creator" the rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Feel free to ask any Iranian you wish if those rights, or any others are given freely in their country, under Islamic religious principles. We are truly blessed in this country.
Instead of burning books that contain ideas we find harmful to our way of life, maybe we should be teaching our children how to think and express themselves in a way that could convince others of our way of thinking. To do that though, people need to actually read and analyze what they read to make an informed argument. Calling people names won't sway anyone's opinion.
I really hate to break this to you, but there isn't anything in that book that is harmful to your way of life. If the people who practice this religion have any wish to harm our country, it is because of the history we have in that region. Do you think that the Iranian people didn't suffer during the time that the Shah was being propped up our government?

As much as the citizens of this country may feel blessed by our form of government, it does not give us the right or moral duty to spread that lifestyle on a people who have been living under their form of governing that is only a few thousand years old.

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Since: Apr 08

mayberry usa

#58 Aug 2, 2010
GR Pete wrote:
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The Declaration of Independence is NOT a founding or legally significant document in the creation of our government. In fact if you recall 6th grade history there was another government in between the Declaration and our current Constitution.
I believe the Declaration of Independence certainly played a significant role in that it spelled out very clearly the views of the writers of our constitution. If YOU recall, James Madison, called it the "fundamental Act of Union of these states". Surely you don't consider James Madison misinformed? I can't imagine anyone, even a lefty like you, dismissing the significance of this great document to the birth of our nation!

And yes, I remember that there is an eleven year gap between the issuing of the Declaration of Independence. Do you remember that at the end of that declaration that the writers of that document declared themselves free of Britain's rule, and free and independent states? "And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of diving Providnece, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, or Fortunes and our sacred honor." divine Providence--that's God.

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Since: Apr 08

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#59 Aug 2, 2010
Bob wrote:
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I really hate to break this to you, but there isn't anything in that book that is harmful to your way of life. If the people who practice this religion have any wish to harm our country, it is because of the history we have in that region. Do you think that the Iranian people didn't suffer during the time that the Shah was being propped up our government?
As much as the citizens of this country may feel blessed by our form of government, it does not give us the right or moral duty to spread that lifestyle on a people who have been living under their form of governing that is only a few thousand years old.
I am sorry, I was not clear. I have no problem with the Quran as writings practiced by moderate Muslims, ideas which of course the current government of Iran does not subscribe to. I do believe that we may have a moral obligation to spread the American lifestyle. We are told in our Declaration of Independence that all men are created equal and that our rights are given to us by our creator. Perhaps you feel God only means for you to be free?
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Farmington, MI

#60 Aug 2, 2010
Dan Bana wrote:
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Ok, it is an act of religious discrimination by folks that are clearly racist since they are targeting Arabs
I see...so you believe that only Arabs read the Quran? Please also explain how this discriminates against them?
This is not targeting a race nor is it an act of discrimination. It's merely an act to show their disagreement with what the book contains, not unlike your expressed desire to piss on the flag, Pete.
Interesting how you very carefully ignored my link about our own government confiscating bibles from soldiers and burning them to appease Muslims in Afghanistan. Since you're SO concerned about acts of religious intolerance, where's the outrage for that?
Oh...wait...it was Bibles and it was the Obama administration that authorized it so that makes it okay, right?

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